Steering column thru bulkhead - help please

Steering column thru bulkhead - help please

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gizzardio

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210 posts

154 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Hi

I noticed a weird clanging whilst driving today and noticed steering wheel had a lot of play. Then when I stopped and looked down I saw that the steering column was flapping about in the bulkhead hole. Inspecting the other side in the engine bay, I saw what looked like a plastic bush that had slid down the steering column to the UJ.

Looking in bible I couldn't figure out whether this was a bush type or a bearing and this plastic insert was the bearing centre. Anyway I managed to hammer this plastic insert back into the bulkhead and it has held the column back in place for now. Can I just ask if on V8S's if they use a bearing or bush and also if what I've described is just that this plastic inset has worked loose or whether it sounds like it's broken and I've just temporarily fixed it by hammering it back in?

Hope that makes sense. Probably easier with some pictures which I can post tomorrow if need be.

Thanks for any pointers on this one

Roy C

4,187 posts

284 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Never did it myself, but this may be useful: http://www.tvrsseries.com/steering/steering_bush.p...

Barry S1

1,709 posts

189 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&amp...

This might help if the bearing is ok you can put a clip on it to stop it from sliding out again

AutoAndy

2,265 posts

215 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Just a word of warning if you buy a complete bearing/ housing kit; I bought one from a suggested supplier but the housing, which was in turned alum, had the wrong pcd and number of fixing holes. I manage fed to re-use the old housing and the supplier said send the wrong one back for a partial refund...that was about 8 months ago and despite several calls and e-mails where he promised to refund, I still have not got it...


So if you order one, just ask him if the housing has the correct number of holes and see if he goes quiet....

Smokey Boyer

509 posts

131 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Assuming you still have the original plastic bush, I would get the whole lot replaced. It has transformed the steering on my car. I recently replaced mine on an S3 V6, using the kit from ML Performance Parts. I know I could have got the bits cheaper by shopping around and getting the essential items from engineering suppliers, but getting the complete kit is just easier.

Very easy to do. I followed the guide referenced above. Some words of advice though from my experience.

The finishing on the fibreglass of the bulkhead was very un-even, making it difficult to correctly line up the metal bearing housing. The old plastic one had just deformed to match the profile of the fibreglass.
The blots supplied by MLP stripped the treads with very little force while.
The holes on the bulkhead did not line up perfectly, and needed to be enlarged very slightly to get the housing to fit.
Get yourself some bigger penny / panel washers to use against the fibreglass.
Make a note of the position of the steering wheel, and universal joints if you do not want to have to take everything apart and do it again.
I had to rewire the ignition as a few of the wires decided that they did not like being moved and detached themselves from the ignition barrel and from the spade connectors.

v8s4me

7,242 posts

219 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Andy - I was thinking about getting one of these kits in for when the job needs doing so it would be useful to know who to not bother ringing. If the firm you’ve dealt with hasn’t done the decent thing after eight months maybe it’s time to name and shame?

gizzardio

Original Poster:

210 posts

154 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Hi everyone. Cheers for the replies. Clicking those links to see that other people have experienced the exact same thing has put my mind at ease now that the plastic insert just slipped out and bearing is not broken. Seems to me it's just a case of the 'special washer' being missing as indicated on the exploded parts diagram on that linked thread. This holds the plastic insert in place as could a spring clip or as someone even said, so could a cable tie. Seems I've got the plastic insert fed in from engine bay side rather than cabin side but reading what was being said it seemed they came out of the factory both way round?!

Looking at those ML parts bearing kits, I would say that's what I've already got rather than the older style nylon bush and steel bearing type.

So answer is just order a clip to hold the insert in place. Its lasted 1000s of miles without it though so must have been pretty well solid jammed In there. Thanks again. This forum is class!

Edited by gizzardio on Sunday 23 March 11:28

AutoAndy

2,265 posts

215 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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v8s4me said:
Andy - I was thinking about getting one of these kits...?
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v8s4me

7,242 posts

219 months

Sunday 23rd March 2014
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Smokey Boyer said:
....... I know I could have got the bits cheaper by shopping around and getting the essential items from engineering suppliers, but getting the complete kit is just easier.
I'm not in a hurry for this so how would I go about getting the parts individually? Has anyone got a scrap bearing and assembly so I can see how it all gows together?

phillpot

17,116 posts

183 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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v8s4me said:
how would I go about getting the parts individually?
Bearing - Ebay or local bearing stockist

Nuts 'n bolts - Ebay or local nut 'n bolt stockist

Triangular bush - Ebay or any stock at Ford Main Dealers still?

Housing - Plastic presumably Ford item
Alluminium from TVR specialist

v8s4me

7,242 posts

219 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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I have a number of similar bearings in the garage. Can someone tell me the number so I can cross check please? I'll need the manufacturer as well please. It's etched on the edge of the outter face.

Stwdv

273 posts

124 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Smokey, how much was the kit ?

DamianS3

1,803 posts

182 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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It's £50+vat on the website was less when I replaced mine. No issues fitting and the alloy piece is very nice

Cheers Damian

v8s4me

7,242 posts

219 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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phillpot said:
Triangular bush - Ebay or any stock at Ford Main Dealers still?
This bit?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-FORD-SIERRA-2-...

Barry S1

1,709 posts

189 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Any good Joe if you enlarge it you should get the number

phillpot

17,116 posts

183 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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v8s4me said:
This bit?
Looks good to me, you only use the triangle bit.

Bearing number looks like 6005 2RS to me ( in case you varifocals ain't too good) biggrin



Thinking about it perhaps the housing bit, even in plastic, is a TVR special scratchchin

v8s4me

7,242 posts

219 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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phillpot said:
Bearing number looks like 6005 2RS to me ( in case you varifocals ain't too good)
Thank you.

phillpot said:
....... perhaps the housing bit, even in plastic, is a TVR special
Quite probably.

Does anyone know different?

v8s4me

7,242 posts

219 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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And thanks to you too Barry.

Amazing isn’t it? A piece of high quality precision German (?) engineering costs £4.55 and a couple of bits of plastic costs £9.10. Although I see in Bary's photo of his bearing it says "Italy" on the rim of the race.

I suppose the bearing a SKF and not some dodgy Chinese thing made from Baco-foil.

Anyway, still leaves £35.00 to cover the housing thumbup

Edited by v8s4me on Monday 24th March 21:58

Barry S1

1,709 posts

189 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Barry S1

1,709 posts

189 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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