Ferrari V12 vs Lambo V12 prices and prospects
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So here’s a question for you knowledgable lot! Firstly, full disclosure - I have an F12, so an obvious vested interest…
Why is it that 70s onwards Lambo V12 values are so much higher than their equivalent Ferrari V12 values? (Excluding Ferrari V12 specials which are, well, special…)
Countach > Testa
Diablo > 550/575
Murci > 599
Aventador > F12
Why is it that 70s onwards Lambo V12 values are so much higher than their equivalent Ferrari V12 values? (Excluding Ferrari V12 specials which are, well, special…)
Countach > Testa
Diablo > 550/575
Murci > 599
Aventador > F12
Being an AV owner and considered the F12..
The Lambos remain more special as they’re less useable, seen less often (in european countries, not london) due to this fact also.
Also i think the lambo designs age less quickly, look at a 456 vs Diablo, the latter still looks like it's only 10 years old, Murcielago vs 550.
All the V12 lambos look like they’re proper supercars even by todays standards but the Ferraris were designed to be much more useable and they look it, not knocking them for it but the age quicker imo so people prefer the lambo as it looks good sat in tge garage which is where they spend more time, maybe its that..
The Lambos remain more special as they’re less useable, seen less often (in european countries, not london) due to this fact also.
Also i think the lambo designs age less quickly, look at a 456 vs Diablo, the latter still looks like it's only 10 years old, Murcielago vs 550.
All the V12 lambos look like they’re proper supercars even by todays standards but the Ferraris were designed to be much more useable and they look it, not knocking them for it but the age quicker imo so people prefer the lambo as it looks good sat in tge garage which is where they spend more time, maybe its that..
Kerniki said:
Also i think the lambo designs age less quickly, look at a 456 vs Diablo, the latter still looks like it's only 10 years old, Murcielago vs 550.
All the V12 lambos look like they’re proper supercars even by todays standards but the Ferraris were designed to be much more useable and they look it, not knocking them for it but the age quicker imo so people prefer the lambo as it looks good sat in tge garage which is where they spend more time, maybe its that..
I would think the opposite. Pininfarina's subtle design traits help Ferraris stand the test of time better than Lamborghinis which were always supposed to be ridiculous, at least since the Countach, and perhaps it's just me but exactly because of this the wedge shapes of most Lamborghinis bore me far more quickly than the more restrained, dare I say classic, Ferrari shapes. It's the same problem with things that pretend to be state of the art when they come out as they age far quicker than the rest, and I think the same goes with exhuberant styling.All the V12 lambos look like they’re proper supercars even by todays standards but the Ferraris were designed to be much more useable and they look it, not knocking them for it but the age quicker imo so people prefer the lambo as it looks good sat in tge garage which is where they spend more time, maybe its that..
Perhaps comparing both style does not make much sense considering how different they have always been and tried to set themselves apart anyway. I love both for different reasons but if I had to choose then Ferrari GT elegance for me please rather than Lambo's in-your-face styling statements.
It took almost 4 years to organise , but about 2 weeks ago my co-author and I were lucky enough to spend an hour talking to Marcello Gandini .
I repeatedly asked , and Snr Gandini repeatedly emphasised , that he , Lamborghini and Bertone were looking to find a new supercar design language when designing the Countach , and were most definitely not simply seeking to shock .
That the Countach’s ( and indeed the Alfa Romeo Carabo’s and Lancia Stratos HF Zero’s ) wedge shape then went on to influence a whole generation of supercars is a sign that Gandini’s foresight was real and genuinely cutting-edge . It was not a design that was put forwards simply to garner attention , as some on this thread appear to be suggesting , but rather was aimed at moving supercar design radically forwards from the voluptuous ( racing car led ) but conventional shapes of the 1950’s and 1960’s .
In these circumstances an hour is a very short period of time , but we had had plenty of time to prepare for the event , and with simple and straightforward questions , we in turn received clear cut and direct answers , a number of which upturned previously accepted ‘’ Facts ‘’ .
On a completely different note and nothing to do with Snr Gandini :
In the 1970’s a Countach took about 1200 man hours to produce ( somewhere I have detailed how long it took to produce a 1970’s Ford or Toyota ….. I can’t remember exactly how long …… but somewhere in the region of 30 to 60 hours I recall )
And don’t forget that much of the Countach’s bodywork was by artisans hand beating aluminium panels , while skilled craftsmen hand bent and welded its tubular spaceframe chassis ( one of the main limiting factors in speeding up Countach production when demand was high ) .
When you think about all the skilled labour and exotic materials used , it is amazing that the Countach was able to leave the factory gates at the price it did .
This should explain some of today’s price differential between the Countach and its in-period Ferrari rivals …… but I wonder how many of today’s Countach buyers would find any of this of real interest .
I repeatedly asked , and Snr Gandini repeatedly emphasised , that he , Lamborghini and Bertone were looking to find a new supercar design language when designing the Countach , and were most definitely not simply seeking to shock .
That the Countach’s ( and indeed the Alfa Romeo Carabo’s and Lancia Stratos HF Zero’s ) wedge shape then went on to influence a whole generation of supercars is a sign that Gandini’s foresight was real and genuinely cutting-edge . It was not a design that was put forwards simply to garner attention , as some on this thread appear to be suggesting , but rather was aimed at moving supercar design radically forwards from the voluptuous ( racing car led ) but conventional shapes of the 1950’s and 1960’s .
In these circumstances an hour is a very short period of time , but we had had plenty of time to prepare for the event , and with simple and straightforward questions , we in turn received clear cut and direct answers , a number of which upturned previously accepted ‘’ Facts ‘’ .
On a completely different note and nothing to do with Snr Gandini :
In the 1970’s a Countach took about 1200 man hours to produce ( somewhere I have detailed how long it took to produce a 1970’s Ford or Toyota ….. I can’t remember exactly how long …… but somewhere in the region of 30 to 60 hours I recall )
And don’t forget that much of the Countach’s bodywork was by artisans hand beating aluminium panels , while skilled craftsmen hand bent and welded its tubular spaceframe chassis ( one of the main limiting factors in speeding up Countach production when demand was high ) .
When you think about all the skilled labour and exotic materials used , it is amazing that the Countach was able to leave the factory gates at the price it did .
This should explain some of today’s price differential between the Countach and its in-period Ferrari rivals …… but I wonder how many of today’s Countach buyers would find any of this of real interest .
Edited by carspath on Friday 15th September 16:22
Quite, ferrari & lambo owners are so divided in their opinions, lambo owners are far more willing to give the finger to most things and its why they live lambo as thats what ferrucio did to enzo, lambo designs are not restrained at all and will always appeal to the less restrained individuals who dont give a flying fek about others opinions about their choice, ferrari owners are far more concerned what others think about them and their brand.
carspath said:
It took almost 4 years to organise , but about 2 weeks ago my co-author and I were lucky enough to spend an hour talking to Marcello Gandini .
I repeatedly asked , and Snr Gandini repeatedly emphasised , that he , Lamborghini and Bertone were looking to find a new supercar design language when designing the Countach , and were most definitely not simply seeking to shock .
That the Countach’s ( and indeed the Alfa Romeo Carabo’s and Lancia Stratos HF Zero’s ) wedge shape then went on to influence a whole generation of supercars is a sign that Gandini’s foresight was real and genuinely cutting-edge . It was not a design that was put forwards simply to garner attention , as some on this thread appear to be suggesting , but rather was aimed at moving supercar design radically forwards from the voluptuous ( racing car led ) but conventional shapes of the 1950’s and 1960’s .
In these circumstances an hour is a very short period of time , but we had had plenty of time to prepare for the event , and with simple and straightforward questions , we in turn received clear cut and direct answers , a number of which upturned previously accepted ‘’ Facts ‘’ .
On a completely different note and nothing to do with Snr Gandini :
In the 1970’s a Countach took about 1200 man hours to produce ( somewhere I have detailed how long it took to produce a 1970’s Ford or Toyota ….. I can’t remember exactly how long …… but somewhere in the region of 30 to 60 hours I recall )
And don’t forget that much of the Countach’s bodywork was by artisans hand beating aluminium panels , while skilled craftsmen hand bent and welded its tubular spaceframe chassis ( one of the main limiting factors in speeding up Countach production when demand was high ) .
When you think about all the skilled labour and exotic materials used , it is amazing that the Countach was able to leave the factory gates at the price it did .
This should explain some of today’s price differential between the Countach and its in-period Ferrari rivals …… but I wonder how many of today’s Countach buyers would find any of this of real interest .
🙂I repeatedly asked , and Snr Gandini repeatedly emphasised , that he , Lamborghini and Bertone were looking to find a new supercar design language when designing the Countach , and were most definitely not simply seeking to shock .
That the Countach’s ( and indeed the Alfa Romeo Carabo’s and Lancia Stratos HF Zero’s ) wedge shape then went on to influence a whole generation of supercars is a sign that Gandini’s foresight was real and genuinely cutting-edge . It was not a design that was put forwards simply to garner attention , as some on this thread appear to be suggesting , but rather was aimed at moving supercar design radically forwards from the voluptuous ( racing car led ) but conventional shapes of the 1950’s and 1960’s .
In these circumstances an hour is a very short period of time , but we had had plenty of time to prepare for the event , and with simple and straightforward questions , we in turn received clear cut and direct answers , a number of which upturned previously accepted ‘’ Facts ‘’ .
On a completely different note and nothing to do with Snr Gandini :
In the 1970’s a Countach took about 1200 man hours to produce ( somewhere I have detailed how long it took to produce a 1970’s Ford or Toyota ….. I can’t remember exactly how long …… but somewhere in the region of 30 to 60 hours I recall )
And don’t forget that much of the Countach’s bodywork was by artisans hand beating aluminium panels , while skilled craftsmen hand bent and welded its tubular spaceframe chassis ( one of the main limiting factors in speeding up Countach production when demand was high ) .
When you think about all the skilled labour and exotic materials used , it is amazing that the Countach was able to leave the factory gates at the price it did .
This should explain some of today’s price differential between the Countach and its in-period Ferrari rivals …… but I wonder how many of today’s Countach buyers would find any of this of real interest .
Edited by carspath on Friday 15th September 16:22
Kerniki said:
Quite, ferrari & lambo owners are so divided in their opinions, lambo owners are far more willing to give the finger to most things and its why they live lambo as thats what ferrucio did to enzo, lambo designs are not restrained at all and will always appeal to the less restrained individuals who dont give a flying fek about others opinions about their choice, ferrari owners are far more concerned what others think about them and their brand.
a bit of a generalisation, and i'm not so sure about the motivation, but i recognise a lot of owners in there 
carspath said:
It took almost 4 years to organise , but about 2 weeks ago my co-author and I were lucky enough to spend an hour talking to Marcello Gandini .
I repeatedly asked , and Snr Gandini repeatedly emphasised , that he , Lamborghini and Bertone were looking to find a new supercar design language when designing the Countach , and were most definitely not simply seeking to shock .
That the Countach’s ( and indeed the Alfa Romeo Carabo’s and Lancia Stratos HF Zero’s ) wedge shape then went on to influence a whole generation of supercars is a sign that Gandini’s foresight was real and genuinely cutting-edge . It was not a design that was put forwards simply to garner attention , as some on this thread appear to be suggesting , but rather was aimed at moving supercar design radically forwards from the voluptuous ( racing car led ) but conventional shapes of the 1950’s and 1960’s .
In these circumstances an hour is a very short period of time , but we had had plenty of time to prepare for the event , and with simple and straightforward questions , we in turn received clear cut and direct answers , a number of which upturned previously accepted ‘’ Facts ‘’ .
On a completely different note and nothing to do with Snr Gandini :
In the 1970’s a Countach took about 1200 man hours to produce ( somewhere I have detailed how long it took to produce a 1970’s Ford or Toyota ….. I can’t remember exactly how long …… but somewhere in the region of 30 to 60 hours I recall )
And don’t forget that much of the Countach’s bodywork was by artisans hand beating aluminium panels , while skilled craftsmen hand bent and welded its tubular spaceframe chassis ( one of the main limiting factors in speeding up Countach production when demand was high ) .
When you think about all the skilled labour and exotic materials used , it is amazing that the Countach was able to leave the factory gates at the price it did .
This should explain some of today’s price differential between the Countach and its in-period Ferrari rivals …… but I wonder how many of today’s Countach buyers would find any of this of real interest .
That is interesting, the part about the time taken to build the car. I suppose, even at the price it left the factory, the factory was often fairly broke, too.I repeatedly asked , and Snr Gandini repeatedly emphasised , that he , Lamborghini and Bertone were looking to find a new supercar design language when designing the Countach , and were most definitely not simply seeking to shock .
That the Countach’s ( and indeed the Alfa Romeo Carabo’s and Lancia Stratos HF Zero’s ) wedge shape then went on to influence a whole generation of supercars is a sign that Gandini’s foresight was real and genuinely cutting-edge . It was not a design that was put forwards simply to garner attention , as some on this thread appear to be suggesting , but rather was aimed at moving supercar design radically forwards from the voluptuous ( racing car led ) but conventional shapes of the 1950’s and 1960’s .
In these circumstances an hour is a very short period of time , but we had had plenty of time to prepare for the event , and with simple and straightforward questions , we in turn received clear cut and direct answers , a number of which upturned previously accepted ‘’ Facts ‘’ .
On a completely different note and nothing to do with Snr Gandini :
In the 1970’s a Countach took about 1200 man hours to produce ( somewhere I have detailed how long it took to produce a 1970’s Ford or Toyota ….. I can’t remember exactly how long …… but somewhere in the region of 30 to 60 hours I recall )
And don’t forget that much of the Countach’s bodywork was by artisans hand beating aluminium panels , while skilled craftsmen hand bent and welded its tubular spaceframe chassis ( one of the main limiting factors in speeding up Countach production when demand was high ) .
When you think about all the skilled labour and exotic materials used , it is amazing that the Countach was able to leave the factory gates at the price it did .
This should explain some of today’s price differential between the Countach and its in-period Ferrari rivals …… but I wonder how many of today’s Countach buyers would find any of this of real interest .
Edited by carspath on Friday 15th September 16:22
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