Astra GTC 2.0 VXR not loved much, why?

Astra GTC 2.0 VXR not loved much, why?

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BigsimonY

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616 posts

125 months

Monday 11th March
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Everyone I talk to seems to love a hot hatch. Rightly so. Be it a Focus st, type R or or similar. But there seems to be no love, or very little for a Vauxhall Astra gtc vxr. Why? All the ingredients are there for a hot hatch bingo card. 3 door, turbo engine, 280bhp, good-looking. Yet I've never heard anyone talk with the same enthusiasm for one like the ST, type R etc. Most negative talk seems to be around their handling, but it surely can't be that bad..

CountyAFC

556 posts

3 months

Monday 11th March
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I saw one for the 1st time in ages last week. Still looks great. Nice shape, cohesive design.

Robertb

1,445 posts

238 months

Monday 11th March
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Best looking car in its class, to me anyway.

I imagine it would be a lot of fun to drive too.

For reasons I don’t fully understand (but I suspect Clarksons infamous Vectra test has a lot to do with it) Vauxhall is looked down on.

The good news is they are great value for money.

Sofa

429 posts

92 months

Monday 11th March
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I think the Vauxhall/VXR image is probably the crux of it- you can't mention the Mk V Astra VXR without someone bringing up that thread of the guy obsessively detailing his white one. And the Meriva VXR thread running at the moment had comments stating that a VXR is essentially the automotive equivalent of an XL Bully.

Shame, as they are genuinely good-looking cars and apparently pretty good to drive. Wasn't the GTC VXR the one where Top Gear did a comparison with the Focus ST and Megane RS of the day, and Clarkson pretty much admitted that he'd have the Astra? I actually considered one for my current car, but having previously owned two FWD hatchbacks fancied more of a change (and yes, the idea of having to explain that it's actually quite a good car despite being a Vauxhall didn't help).

Haltamer

2,455 posts

80 months

Monday 11th March
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I accidentally ridiculed one in front of the owner once, not through any fault of the car - I actually quite like them as a car, but at the time I seem to remember the list price being absurdly expensive compared to the alternatives (Most of which were objectively better on paper)

It's hard to compare now though, as all the list prices I see look absurdly cheap by 2024 Standards biggrin

KarlMac

4,480 posts

141 months

Monday 11th March
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The VXR and Vauxhall brand don’t have the best reputation and the majority are poorly maintained and not driven to the best standard.

My only experience is an old Vectra GSI and mk5 Astra VXR Nurburgring and they were awful when compared to competitors. The only thing they had going for their was that they were cheap, which attracted owners as per my f first paragraph.

RSstuff

343 posts

15 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Do they suffer from similar engine, gearbox and rotting subframe issues as the Corsa VXR?

911Spanker

1,221 posts

16 months

Tuesday 12th March
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KarlMac said:
The VXR and Vauxhall brand don’t have the best reputation and the majority are poorly maintained and not driven to the best standard.

My only experience is an old Vectra GSI and mk5 Astra VXR Nurburgring and they were awful when compared to competitors. The only thing they had going for their was that they were cheap, which attracted owners as per my f first paragraph.
Think the Vectra was well received against the Mondeo of the time.

It's the usual Vauxhall hatred as seen on here. Probably by people who drive VAG cars... smile

s m

23,231 posts

203 months

Tuesday 12th March
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911Spanker said:
KarlMac said:
The VXR and Vauxhall brand don’t have the best reputation and the majority are poorly maintained and not driven to the best standard.

My only experience is an old Vectra GSI and mk5 Astra VXR Nurburgring and they were awful when compared to competitors. The only thing they had going for their was that they were cheap, which attracted owners as per my f first paragraph.
Think the Vectra was well received against the Mondeo of the time.

It's the usual Vauxhall hatred as seen on here. Probably by people who drive VAG cars... smile
I have to agree - the late 90s Vectra GSi was far from awful compared to its competitors at the time - that was according to press reviews I read. I missed out on a nice one after my Primera GT was written off. Drove it and it handled really well in my opinion, sounded great, excellent seats. In the time it took to get the cash together from my insurance payout it was sold



M.F.D

703 posts

101 months

Tuesday 12th March
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I have often wondered. I remember Fifth Gear doing a dog fight with the Megane RS250 and the GTC VXR. I'm sure there was little in it which was impressive given the Megane was top dog at that time in the hot hatch sector.

I personally cannot bring myself to like it. Even though I'll admit it looks good and likely drives well.

CraigyMc

16,409 posts

236 months

Tuesday 12th March
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BigsimonY said:
Everyone I talk to seems to love a hot hatch. Rightly so. Be it a Focus st, type R or or similar. But there seems to be no love, or very little for a Vauxhall Astra gtc vxr. Why? All the ingredients are there for a hot hatch bingo card. 3 door, turbo engine, 280bhp, good-looking. Yet I've never heard anyone talk with the same enthusiasm for one like the ST, type R etc. Most negative talk seems to be around their handling, but it surely can't be that bad..
It's probably because GM/Opel of that era were a classic 80% engineering company; they didn't move anything forward. The vxr cars all share anodyne handling, except for the lotus based car, the vx220. It is no surprise that the company was acquired and is essentially defunct.


Put another way, it's what happens when a white goods company makes a product cynically to fit in the enthusiast sector; the product is still a white goods lump of car. It's as hard to get enthused by that as it is to be enthusiastic about a hotrodded washing machine.

There are people who absolutely love Vauxhalls, just as there are people who absolutely love Miele. Odd people.

Did vauxhall race or rally the astra of this era? I think for that you'd have to go back further to a cavalier or maybe Vectra with John Cleland. For rally word have to be back to the MK2 in the late 90s.

Soulless cars, bought by the kg by fleet managers and people absolutely disinterested by cars cannot be redeemed with a faster version of the same thing.

911Spanker

1,221 posts

16 months

Tuesday 12th March
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M.F.D said:
I have often wondered. I remember Fifth Gear doing a dog fight with the Megane RS250 and the GTC VXR. I'm sure there was little in it which was impressive given the Megane was top dog at that time in the hot hatch sector.

I personally cannot bring myself to like it. Even though I'll admit it looks good and likely drives well.
What's stopping you liking it?

Jasey_

4,879 posts

178 months

Tuesday 12th March
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The vxr suffers from a lack of character.

It's hard to say why that is , there's not much wrong with it, it just leaves you feeling a bit meh.

They are good looking cars though.

Robertb

1,445 posts

238 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Anyone who’s driven one for any length of time or owned one care to comment?

TheOctaneAddict

759 posts

47 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Monkey seemed to like it.



I think the reason it never got much love is that at the time it was in a very competitive sector with the Megane being king of the hill for a driver's car and the VAG offerings gaining popularity with the masses.

Jasey_

4,879 posts

178 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Robertb said:
Anyone who’s driven one for any length of time or owned one care to comment?
I ran one from new for a year.

sam.rog

754 posts

78 months

Tuesday 12th March
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Badge snobs is the main reason.

Turbobanana

6,271 posts

201 months

Tuesday 12th March
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As a rule I prefer brighter colours on cars, but there's a deep blue GTC where I work and it looks absolutely classy and understated. My only gripe, looks-wise, is that it appears quite big and bloated which perhaps explains the sober colour chosen by its owner.

Never driven one, but I would imagine it's every bit as competent as its looks suggest. Having done several thousands of kilometres in hired Astra Estates in Italy and Croatia, I know they drive alright.

culpz

4,884 posts

112 months

Tuesday 12th March
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They're good value now and alot of car for the money. Exterior wise, I think they look spot-on, especially in that blue colour. Interior is where I struggle, other than the seats, which look incredible.

Not sure about the engine but I'm sure they still have gearbox issues. The competition is strong. You can get Megane 250's for a similar price, which would be hard to look past for me. Focus ST is probably more along the same lines, but would probably still get my vote. I haven't actually driven one though. As said above, Harris really liked it and so did Clarkson.


culpz

4,884 posts

112 months

Tuesday 12th March
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sam.rog said:
Badge snobs is the main reason.
Maybe. Admittedly, I've never really been a Vauxhall fan myself. I have been in and driven some and they just lack in all areas compared to say the competition. I have heard the newer models are much improved though.

There's nothing wrong in not liking a certain brand of car. It's not like the rest of the competition are leagues ahead to other people, in terms of showing off and such. Is owning a Vauxhall really any worse than a Renault, Peugeot or Ford in other peoples eyes?