RE: Maserati GranSport MC Victory | Spotted

RE: Maserati GranSport MC Victory | Spotted

Tuesday 30th April

Maserati GranSport MC Victory | Spotted

One-of-180 special costs nearly double a standard GS, but sweetens the deal with MC12 seats and blue carbon


It’s been a little over 25 years since Maserati ditched the blocky design language of the old Shamal, Ghibli and Quattroporte for the sleeker, more curvaceous silhouette of the radically different 3200 GT. The Italian marque had pinned its hopes on the 3200 GT taking the fight to the popular Aston Martin DB7 and Jaguar XLR, and while it would fall short of that ambition it was comfortably the best-selling Maserati for quite some time. Having been stuck in the doldrums for decades, the manufacturer was finally back in the game.

However, for all its boomerang rear light charm, the 3200 GT did have its fair share of shortcomings. The chassis couldn’t keep up with the punchy 370hp delivered by the 3.2-litre twin-turbo V8, and the power delivery was notoriously spiky - which apparently made it quite a handful in the wet. Revisions came with the follow-up 4200 GT, spearheaded by the arrival of the 4.2-litre naturally-aspirated V8 co-developed by Ferrari and, sadly, the innovative rear lights (the first LEDs used on a production car) making way for a more conventional cluster. The engine was a big step on from the old turbocharged unit, but it was still hampered by a wayward chassis and dim-witted automated manual 'box.

It wasn’t until the GranSport came along that Maserati would get on top of the Coupe’s early issues. New software for the Cambiocorsa auto meant faster shift times and a longer sixth gear was installed for better cruising performance, while tweaks to the Skyhook adaptive suspension sharpened up the handling and dialled out some of the steering numbness afflicting its predecessors. This made the GranSport much more focused than the older cars, which in turn is said to have made it vastly more pleasing to drive.

On top of that, there was a bit more grunt from the part-Maserati, part-Ferrari V8, which developed an extra 10hp in the GranSport for a nice round 400hp. The soundtrack also earned a boost thanks to a new exhaust system, which featured a set of valves that opened above 4,000rpm to amplify the rumble from the cross-plane crank V8. Factor in the revised styling that not only gave the Coupe some welcome edge but was also said to generate more downforce, and the GranSport emerges as the one out of the three you’d be best spending your hard-earned cash on.

Unless, of course, an MC Victory comes along like the one we have here. This ultra-rare special edition arrived in 2006 to celebrate the success of the gorgeous MC12 GT1 racer - Maserati's icon had won the 2005 FIA GT Manufacturers' Cup. The Victory boasted a bunch of delicious upgrades inside and out, most notably a new splitter at the front made from blue-tinted carbon fibre. There’s more blue carbon on the inside on the paddles, wheel and centre console, while the squishy seats of the standard car were ditched in favour of sportier buckets taken from the MC12. It’s said a faster steering rack was fitted, too, and each of the 181 cars was finished with Italian flags on the wings and a build plaque in the centre console. 

Admittedly, it’s not drastically different from a standard GranSport, but all the bits that have been changed (especially the MC12 seats) contribute to a car that felt like more than the sum of its parts. Even more so on this car, as most of those parts were finished in Blu Victory whereas this example is clearly black. At £42,595, it’s not far off double what you’d expect to pay for a tidy GranSport, like this 2004 car for £22,950. But the MC Victory is the sort of car that will stop those in the know dead in their tracks once they've clocked all the minor details that mark it out from the standard model. For some of us, that’s worth its weight in gold.


SPECIFICATION | MASERATI GRANSPORT MC VICTORY

Engine: 4,244cc V8
Transmission: six-speed automated manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 400@7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 333@4,500rpm
MPG: 15.2
CO2: 430g/km
Year registered: 2006
Recorded mileage: 59,000
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £42,595

See the original advert here

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McRors

Original Poster:

288 posts

57 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Nice, but is that automated manual answering a question nobody ever asked?

asci.white

385 posts

74 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Those seats look delicious.

It was such a shame they ditched the boomerang lights on this model though.

NathanChadwick

307 posts

42 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Having driven it, and written about it several times (for Modern Classics and Auto Italia) it is drastically different, in the same way an E46 M3 CSL feels different to a normal E46 M3.The steering rack completely changes the way the car feels.

This is one of those cars that has flown under the radar because the GranSport in general wasn’t allowed to be the car it could have been. Frank Stephenson, who was in charge of adding the GranSport styling flourishes to the Giugiaro 3200 and the 4200 original, said that the GranSport was originally supposed to be much more hardcore than it ended up being - think Challenge Stradale in 360 terms.
However, Ferrari saw this as too much of a threat and demanded it be softened up and made more GT like. That’s why the GranSport has a peculiar mix of rock hard ride ‘comfort’ for a much sportier car, yet steering that’s a bit too light.

The MC Victory solves all that by aligning itself much more with the GranSport’s original purpose, before Ferrari said no. There’s a lot of unknowns and rumours about this car - it’s thought that the steering racks were the original ones ordered from TRW before Ferrari said no. There’s also persistent rumours that the engine has more power and the gearbox is sharpened up - there are different part numbers for parts of the engine, for example, compared to the standard GranSport.

Of course, there’s the MC12 seats - £10,000 each - which do change the feel of the car too. It’s no lightweight but it feels so much more engaged, honed and trustworthy than a standard GranSport. It is very different and the steering response is among the sharpest I’ve encountered.

I’m not a fan of the MCV’s carbon splitter - it doesn’t improve the lines, it looks like a moody toddler and will cost many thousands of pounds to fix if you bend it, if you can actually fix it.


It is one of the great unsung cars of its generation; sadly very few will have driven it and if you do try one back to back with a standard GranSport the difference is abundantly clear.
It’s the Ghibli Cup of the 2000s.




Edited by NathanChadwick on Tuesday 30th April 07:01

Robertb

1,497 posts

239 months

Tuesday 30th April
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NathanChadwick said:
Having driven it, and written about it several times (for Modern Classics and Auto Italia) it is drastically different, in the same way an E46 M3 CSL feels different to a normal E46 M3.The steering rack completely changes the way the car feels.

This is one of those cars that has flown under the radar because the GranSport in general wasn’t allowed to be the car it could have been. Frank Stephenson, who was in charge of adding the GranSport styling flourishes to the Giugiaro 3200 and the 4200 original, said that the GranSport was originally supposed to be much more hardcore than it ended up being - think Challenge Stradale in 360 terms.
However, Ferrari saw this as too much of a threat and demanded it be softened up and made more GT like. That’s why the GranSport has a peculiar mix of rock hard ride ‘comfort’ for a much sportier car, yet steering that’s a bit too light.

The MC Victory solves all that by aligning itself much more with the GranSport’s original purpose, before Ferrari said no. There’s a lot of unknowns and rumours about this car - it’s thought that the steering racks were the original ones ordered from TRW before Ferrari said no. There’s also persistent rumours that the engine has more power and the gearbox is sharpened up - there are different part numbers for parts of the engine, for example, compared to the standard GranSport.

Of course, there’s the MC12 seats - £10,000 each - which do change the feel of the car too. It’s no lightweight but it feels so much more engaged, honed and trustworthy than a standard GranSport. It is very different and the steering response is among the sharpest I’ve encountered.

I’m not a fan of the MCV’s carbon splitter - it doesn’t improve the lines, it looks like a moody toddler and will cost many thousands of pounds to fix if you bend it, if you can actually fix it.


It is one of the great unsung cars of its generation; sadly very few will have driven it and if you do try one back to back with a standard GranSport the difference is abundantly clear.
It’s the Ghibli Cup of the 2000s.




Edited by NathanChadwick on Tuesday 30th April 07:01
Interesting read, thank you. Are your reviews online or in back issues?

Looks a great car, an interesting alternative to 997s, M3s etc.

ducnick

1,804 posts

244 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Interesting to call it the ghibli cup of the 2000’s. The ghibli cup is a car I like a lot!, and sadly no longer available for the cost of this Victory. Does that make the Victory a contender as a modern classic Maserati? It sounds like it has a very hard ride. I don’t remember the Cup having a too hard ride. When I drove one I seem to remember it being perfectly damped. Also without the Maserati engine I’m not sure I could get on board. I drove this Ferrari engine in the grantourismo and it failed to make the same kind of impression as either the v6 in the Cup or the v8 in the QP 4 evo. Those engines didn’t need to be spanked constantly to make progress. The Ferrari engine felt gutless down low.
It’s probably a good investment, but on balance I think I will continue to wait for a cup to come up for sale again … even if it means a long wait.

NathanChadwick

307 posts

42 months

Tuesday 30th April
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I think Auto Italia has back issues in stock, my Modern Classics review is online via that Australian human perineum that rips off most magazines, journalists and photographers and posts it online for free. I won’t link but the feature’s online.

NathanChadwick

307 posts

42 months

Tuesday 30th April
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ducnick said:
Interesting to call it the ghibli cup of the 2000’s. The ghibli cup is a car I like a lot!, and sadly no longer available for the cost of this Victory. Does that make the Victory a contender as a modern classic Maserati? It sounds like it has a very hard ride. I don’t remember the Cup having a too hard ride. When I drove one I seem to remember it being perfectly damped. Also without the Maserati engine I’m not sure I could get on board. I drove this Ferrari engine in the grantourismo and it failed to make the same kind of impression as either the v6 in the Cup or the v8 in the QP 4 evo. Those engines didn’t need to be spanked constantly to make progress. The Ferrari engine felt gutless down low.
It’s probably a good investment, but on balance I think I will continue to wait for a cup to come up for sale again … even if it means a long wait.
I own a Cup - the only green one - and it’s certainly not hard riding by contemporary standards, but it is noticeably different to the standard Ghibli II, especially in suspension modes 3 and 4. The steering on the Cup is the big draw, though - that and twin turbo 2.0 V6 with 330bhp…

I do get what you mean about the n/a V8 lacking some of the manic energy of the Maserati twin turbos, but the GranSport for me is the sweet spot of the n/a V8 Maser coupes. The later GranTurismos, even in MC Stradale mode, were a bit too soft for my tastes, even if they did sound fabulous.

PeterGadsby

1,309 posts

164 months

Tuesday 30th April
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I had a blue MC Victory, and loved it.... However the F1 Gearbox was rubbish in traffic and reversing was worse. The electronics randomly indicated there were problems (resetting by disconnecting the battery solved that).

However driving it, was amazing, the noise was fantastic, the, the experience felt like I was driving a supercar, loved every minute of owning it.

Sadly had to sell it because my wife didn't like driving it... This is my main car selling regret, hey ho.

- Pete

ducnick

1,804 posts

244 months

Tuesday 30th April
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NathanChadwick said:
ducnick said:
Interesting to call it the ghibli cup of the 2000’s. The ghibli cup is a car I like a lot!, and sadly no longer available for the cost of this Victory. Does that make the Victory a contender as a modern classic Maserati? It sounds like it has a very hard ride. I don’t remember the Cup having a too hard ride. When I drove one I seem to remember it being perfectly damped. Also without the Maserati engine I’m not sure I could get on board. I drove this Ferrari engine in the grantourismo and it failed to make the same kind of impression as either the v6 in the Cup or the v8 in the QP 4 evo. Those engines didn’t need to be spanked constantly to make progress. The Ferrari engine felt gutless down low.
It’s probably a good investment, but on balance I think I will continue to wait for a cup to come up for sale again … even if it means a long wait.
I own a Cup - the only green one - and it’s certainly not hard riding by contemporary standards, but it is noticeably different to the standard Ghibli II, especially in suspension modes 3 and 4. The steering on the Cup is the big draw, though - that and twin turbo 2.0 V6 with 330bhp…

I do get what you mean about the n/a V8 lacking some of the manic energy of the Maserati twin turbos, but the GranSport for me is the sweet spot of the n/a V8 Maser coupes. The later GranTurismos, even in MC Stradale mode, were a bit too soft for my tastes, even if they did sound fabulous.
If you ever decide to sell the cup please let me know. I missed out on the chance to buy a ropey red one many years ago. Later I made the mistake of not buying a road registered open cup evo for 30k euros and bought a sensible TVR instead…. I really regretted that mistake for many years.

NathanChadwick

307 posts

42 months

Tuesday 30th April
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ducnick said:
NathanChadwick said:
ducnick said:
Interesting to call it the ghibli cup of the 2000’s. The ghibli cup is a car I like a lot!, and sadly no longer available for the cost of this Victory. Does that make the Victory a contender as a modern classic Maserati? It sounds like it has a very hard ride. I don’t remember the Cup having a too hard ride. When I drove one I seem to remember it being perfectly damped. Also without the Maserati engine I’m not sure I could get on board. I drove this Ferrari engine in the grantourismo and it failed to make the same kind of impression as either the v6 in the Cup or the v8 in the QP 4 evo. Those engines didn’t need to be spanked constantly to make progress. The Ferrari engine felt gutless down low.
It’s probably a good investment, but on balance I think I will continue to wait for a cup to come up for sale again … even if it means a long wait.
I own a Cup - the only green one - and it’s certainly not hard riding by contemporary standards, but it is noticeably different to the standard Ghibli II, especially in suspension modes 3 and 4. The steering on the Cup is the big draw, though - that and twin turbo 2.0 V6 with 330bhp…

I do get what you mean about the n/a V8 lacking some of the manic energy of the Maserati twin turbos, but the GranSport for me is the sweet spot of the n/a V8 Maser coupes. The later GranTurismos, even in MC Stradale mode, were a bit too soft for my tastes, even if they did sound fabulous.
If you ever decide to sell the cup please let me know. I missed out on the chance to buy a ropey red one many years ago. Later I made the mistake of not buying a road registered open cup evo for 30k euros and bought a sensible TVR instead…. I really regretted that mistake for many years.
McGrath Maserati has or had a silver one for sale - it’s not on their website though.
Good car that, I’ve driven it.

fflump

1,416 posts

39 months

Tuesday 30th April
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McRors said:
Nice, but is that automated manual answering a question nobody ever asked?
They were very much in vogue at the time . Ferrari called it F1 paddle shift or something.

The article fails to mention that the 3200 and 4200 had true manual options. It’s a shame that the Gransport was never offered with a manual box it would have been a cracking combination.

On the boomerang lights, Maserati wanted to retain them in the 4200 but they fell foul of new EU regs sadly.

NathanChadwick

307 posts

42 months

Tuesday 30th April
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fflump said:
On the boomerang lights, Maserati wanted to retain them in the 4200 but they fell foul of new EU regs sadly.
That’s simply not true, it’s nothing to do with the Japanese or America either. I interviewed Frank Stephenson for Magneto last year and asked him about this - even though he was a big fan of the Boomerang lights, he was forced by Montezemelo to go down to Giuigaro’s place and tell him they needed to be changed. The idea behind this was to stamp Frank’s authority as the head of Ferrari/Maserati design, nothing more than that.

Frank’s story of Giugiaro’s reaction is hilarious, but Montezemelo’s plan worked on the whole, but to the detriment of the 4200/GranSport.


Edited by NathanChadwick on Tuesday 30th April 08:16


Edited by NathanChadwick on Tuesday 30th April 08:17

redrabbit

1,424 posts

166 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Never mind the Maserati, tell me more about the Jaguar XLR....

MrGeoff

658 posts

173 months

Tuesday 30th April
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NathanChadwick said:
Having driven it, and written about it several times (for Modern Classics and Auto Italia) it is drastically different, in the same way an E46 M3 CSL feels different to a normal E46 M3.The steering rack completely changes the way the car feels.

This is one of those cars that has flown under the radar because the GranSport in general wasn’t allowed to be the car it could have been. Frank Stephenson, who was in charge of adding the GranSport styling flourishes to the Giugiaro 3200 and the 4200 original, said that the GranSport was originally supposed to be much more hardcore than it ended up being - think Challenge Stradale in 360 terms.
However, Ferrari saw this as too much of a threat and demanded it be softened up and made more GT like. That’s why the GranSport has a peculiar mix of rock hard ride ‘comfort’ for a much sportier car, yet steering that’s a bit too light.

The MC Victory solves all that by aligning itself much more with the GranSport’s original purpose, before Ferrari said no. There’s a lot of unknowns and rumours about this car - it’s thought that the steering racks were the original ones ordered from TRW before Ferrari said no. There’s also persistent rumours that the engine has more power and the gearbox is sharpened up - there are different part numbers for parts of the engine, for example, compared to the standard GranSport.

Of course, there’s the MC12 seats - £10,000 each - which do change the feel of the car too. It’s no lightweight but it feels so much more engaged, honed and trustworthy than a standard GranSport. It is very different and the steering response is among the sharpest I’ve encountered.

I’m not a fan of the MCV’s carbon splitter - it doesn’t improve the lines, it looks like a moody toddler and will cost many thousands of pounds to fix if you bend it, if you can actually fix it.


It is one of the great unsung cars of its generation; sadly very few will have driven it and if you do try one back to back with a standard GranSport the difference is abundantly clear.
It’s the Ghibli Cup of the 2000s.




Edited by NathanChadwick on Tuesday 30th April 07:01
A great read, thanks for that. Always good to hear from someone that has actually driven one. It's an interesting car for sure and the analogy of likening it to the difference between the standard E46 M3 and the CSL makes a lot more sense in my head, owning and have driven both, it gives greater context.

Nish Gnackers

1,053 posts

42 months

Tuesday 30th April
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redrabbit said:
Never mind the Maserati, tell me more about the Jaguar XLR....
Maybe the author meant Capri XLR ?



jezb1

17 posts

69 months

Tuesday 30th April
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McRors said:
Nice, but is that automated manual answering a question nobody ever asked?
Have you driven one? They're actually pretty good. Yeah dated tech but I think it suits them.

Geoffcapes

710 posts

165 months

Tuesday 30th April
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jezb1 said:
McRors said:
Nice, but is that automated manual answering a question nobody ever asked?
Have you driven one? They're actually pretty good. Yeah dated tech but I think it suits them.
As long as you have the car in Sport. Leaving it in Auto, or not in sport, and it's pretty rubbish.
Put it in Sport and it's the car it always needed to be.


Justin-ow582

152 posts

106 months

Tuesday 30th April
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fflump said:
McRors said:
Nice, but is that automated manual answering a question nobody ever asked?
They were very much in vogue at the time . Ferrari called it F1 paddle shift or something.

The article fails to mention that the 3200 and 4200 had true manual options. It’s a shame that the Gransport was never offered with a manual box it would have been a cracking combination.

On the boomerang lights, Maserati wanted to retain them in the 4200 but they fell foul of new EU regs sadly.
When I was looking into getting a GS last year (after having watched the market for years and finally having the budget) I also read reviews for the 4200 for the sole reason that there was a manual option... according to several reviews, the manual isn't particularly slick and many concluded that the F1 Cambiocorsa suited the car better.

I decided to get something else with a manual 'box, 2/3 of the weight and half of the power instead, which much better suited the Norfolk and Suffolk B-roads.

WCZ

10,549 posts

195 months

Tuesday 30th April
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what was the lightweight edition of the gransport? or am I thinking of something else, was fairly rare iirc

90sMasers

16 posts

120 months

Tuesday 30th April
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The MCV is a very special
Maserati, and definitely one for the collectors. Similar price to a Ghibli Cup in today’s market, but better built and more driveable.
As Nathan says, they are more different to a standard GS than you would imagine, thanks to the transformative effect of the steering rack and bucket seats.
I sold my last Cup for an MCV, and later sold that for an MC Stradale. All great cars and hugely underrated by most.