What are the current secret Black aviation projects?

What are the current secret Black aviation projects?

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TheEnd

15,370 posts

189 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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The current secret projects are-

Project Vinyl Dawn- Electric hang gliders
Project Lemonade Pinetree - burning paper aeroplanes thrown into enemy offices
Project Cotton Ashtray - Submarine Helicopters disguised as whales
Project Naptha Busticket - Hot air balloons that drop bears into enemy trenches.



mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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TheEnd said:
The current secret projects are-

Project Vinyl Dawn- Electric hang gliders
Project Lemonade Pinetree - burning paper aeroplanes thrown into enemy offices
Project Cotton Ashtray - Submarine Helicopters disguised as whales
Project Naptha Busticket - Hot air balloons that drop bears into enemy trenches.
I think you made those up...

Conian

8,030 posts

202 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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mybrainhurts said:
TheEnd said:
The current secret projects are-

Project Vinyl Dawn- Electric hang gliders
Project Lemonade Pinetree - burning paper aeroplanes thrown into enemy offices
Project Cotton Ashtray - Submarine Helicopters disguised as whales
Project Naptha Busticket - Hot air balloons that drop bears into enemy trenches.
I think you made those up...
thats what they WANT you to think

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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I don't think there are any substantial Black Projects now. I expect the only Black Projects are smaller unmanned vehicles or more at systems level. I would be surprised if something like Aurora was operating.

The reason for it is not there like it was during the arms race in the Cold War. Those years saw aircraft and technology race ahead with aircraft such as the SR-71. Back then you had a clearly defined enemy that you had to keep one step ahead of. Now you do not have that race for Technology you had during the 50's, 60's, 70's & 80's.

The reasons I don't think any sizeable Black Project exists are:
1) There were a few sightings, and "regular" earthquake readings that were unexplained during the 1980s and very early 1990's. Over the last 10 years these sighting have fallen away to virtually zero. Either there haven't been any or People that have seen it are keeping very quiet for fear of the Men in Black turning up.
2) Spotters & Enthusiasts are everywhere, with the ability to communicate in a way they never could 20 years ago. Back in the 1980's there were dozens of bases in the UK you could sneak a jet into, now a large number of these have gone leaving one a few frontline bases that could host the jet for a stop over. Then you have to take into consideration that most enthusiasts are armed with Cameras, and mobiles, so if anything interesting was to be seen the word, or photographic evidence would be out very quickly.

I think most development is now looking into unmanned vehicles rather than high altitude recon aircraft.

I don't think Aurora or whatever was seen in the early 1990s ever went into service, as no sightings or evidence such as seismic booms have been recorded since. Would there really be anything to gain by keeping a 20 year old project "black" now anyway?

Conian

8,030 posts

202 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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plus, what you're all missing, is theyre now called 'Rainbow Projects' so as to not offend anyone.

Lefty Two Drams

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16,169 posts

203 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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wink

Careful now.
Down with this sort of thing.

jr@

514 posts

216 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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thatone1967 said:
Lefty Two Drams said:
The Boscombe Down '94 (I think) crash is quite well publicised on t'interweb.

No evidence fo anything though, just speculation and reports of unmarked 727's and various unusual civvy aircraft coming and going just after.

There was also a story about an RN Commando who found an unusal looking aircraft in a hanger at Macrahanish a few years back. Internet rumour suggests this was Aurora.

Ben Rich claims that Aurora was the codename for the B2.
read quite a lot of stuff about the Boscombe Down incident too, interesting fact about the C5 that we "diverted to Boscombe", and then when asked about it, Boscombe said "which C5 was that then?" not exactly that easy to deny an aircraft the size of a 747...
the apperance of a janet 737 is still unexpained too

The Hypno-Toad

12,287 posts

206 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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jr@ said:
thatone1967 said:
Lefty Two Drams said:
The Boscombe Down '94 (I think) crash is quite well publicised on t'interweb.

No evidence fo anything though, just speculation and reports of unmarked 727's and various unusual civvy aircraft coming and going just after.

There was also a story about an RN Commando who found an unusal looking aircraft in a hanger at Macrahanish a few years back. Internet rumour suggests this was Aurora.

Ben Rich claims that Aurora was the codename for the B2.
read quite a lot of stuff about the Boscombe Down incident too, interesting fact about the C5 that we "diverted to Boscombe", and then when asked about it, Boscombe said "which C5 was that then?" not exactly that easy to deny an aircraft the size of a 747...
the apperance of a janet 737 is still unexpained too
One of my mates was living close to the base at the time, said it was a very strange couple of days, troops everywhere, lots of jeeps.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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The thing is back in the 1990's movements like the C5 went largely un-noticed. If that happened now, there would be people picking it up on scanners, putting "heads up C5 heading into Boscombe" messages on forums and you would have someone somewhere with a camera taking a photo of it, if there weren't people already pitched up at Boscombe.

Unusual aircraft movements like that (if they were trying to be secret), would be very obvious and hard to keep secret now.

Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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There also the small fact the US is completely and utterly broke.

Eric Mc

122,076 posts

266 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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They are not allowed call them "Black Projects" anymore. They are called "African-American Projects".

dr_gn

16,169 posts

185 months

Thursday 5th November 2009
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Re satellites: there was the ASM-135 anti-satellite missile which was sucessfully tested. It was launched from an F-15, and was supposed to destroy the target with a blast of metal fragments. Last test was back in 1986.



This and loads of other intersesting things in "Aurora" by Bill Sweetman. Bit out of date now (1993), but black projects (both known and otherwise) are discussed at some length.

andy_s

19,408 posts

260 months

Friday 6th November 2009
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Nano tech drones.
Little Betty.
Unmanned system platform. (LTD)






MartinM

494 posts

208 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Have a look at 'Billion Dollar Secret' http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-397554639... It's from 1999 but i'm sure some of still relevant today. In it, a top bod from Lockheed Martin Skunk Works cites the F-117 (now not in service) to be a "grey project" in that it is in the public eye but there are aspects of it's design/capabilities that are still classified. I suspect that this applies to the B-2 nowadays. I understand it is kept under armed guard at airshows.
I'd place money on a hypersonic jet being in operation now and very technically advanced nano-UAVs.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

210 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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pushthebutton said:
I read all of the sites about black projects and when you sift out the junk, there isn't much evidence of an operational manned SR-71 replacement. I'm sure that with previous black projects grainy photographs did enter circulation before the project was officially confirmed, yet I haven't seen anything for the Aurora / Astra etc...That doesn't mean that there aren't some interesting articles out there. I particularly like the Boscombe Down incident around 1997.

P
But If you read arround the subject even reading things like Skunk Works, an operator driven eye in the sky is required as Satallites are track able and spoofable, as they will always come over at a predictable time and from a predictable direction, so a sight screen can block the vision.

slartibartfast

4,014 posts

202 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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thatone1967 said:
I firmly beleive that they have Aurora (or something similar in service)


... takes cover and prepares for abuse from fellow forum members...

getmecoat
Makes sense to me, they hid the F117 for soooo many years before making it public so why not continue and improve the technology for something even more stealthy and faster?
Failing that I think they'll just make more unmaned stealth bombers and have the pilots on the ground.

pushthebutton

1,097 posts

183 months

Monday 9th November 2009
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Engineer1 said:
But If you read arround the subject even reading things like Skunk Works, an operator driven eye in the sky is required as Satallites are track able and spoofable, as they will always come over at a predictable time and from a predictable direction, so a sight screen can block the vision.
Wouldn't an unmanned vehicle still fulfill that purpose?

P

Roman

2,031 posts

220 months

Tuesday 10th November 2009
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I'd have thought there would most value in the development of low altitude nano drones for both surveilance and combat roles - certainly in the current post cold war environment. Less resources, money and casualties, quick & easy transportation (and easy to keep under wraps) & deployment and to an extent, disposable.

A grid of fixed position drones for example could provide intelligence and support to secure a large area for ground troops.

The idea of deploying a similar system in a civil context has much less comfortable implications obviously.