Derren Brown ?
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the psychic girl at the end, her description and clothes were pre written on that sheet of paper and he singled her out but made her look like he had chosen her at random by writing 23 on that card AFTER she had picked the number
simple old trick.... writes it with his fingernail, the envelope has a sheet of carbon on it. Behind his back he only pretends to write a number beforehand and also even gives the line about his bad handwriting so you are not surprised when you see the wonky numbers.
simple old trick.... writes it with his fingernail, the envelope has a sheet of carbon on it. Behind his back he only pretends to write a number beforehand and also even gives the line about his bad handwriting so you are not surprised when you see the wonky numbers.
t !sstein said:
mouk786 said:
He makes out stuff is to do with the mind but most of it has a decent trick behidn it
that said he is a brilliant live entertainer and his live show was great. its fun trying to work out how its all done.
Yep, all the NLP stuff is nonsense. His tricks usually have old fashioned magic tricks behind them.that said he is a brilliant live entertainer and his live show was great. its fun trying to work out how its all done.
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Stuart
but the NLP stuff is not nonsense... make no mistake, its a very powerful tool
just with a small knowledge you can very easily work out peoples thought patterns and how theyare thinking and arriving at teh things they are saying
sstein said:
PDV said:
what does NLP stand for?
Neuro-Linguistic Programming, or something similar.Basically, some people believe that they can make you do certain things, or think certain things by using body signals and reading body signals. They think that Derren Brown can read these subliminal signals.
It's a new age scam used by con-artists who want to teach you the tricks to read people. Wether you want to become a world class salesman or a magician.. whatever...
I'm highly sceptical.
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Stuart
you seem to have a bit of an axe to grind here
not only is that a grossly inaccurate definition but NLP is used very successfully in training, teaching and counselling. Its not new-age and has very little relevance in conjuring or 'sales' as you put it.
sstein said:
has it's fair share of con-merchants.
So has buying a sandwich from a garage... you open it up and all the filling is centred around the position which you could see it from the outside of the packaging. Towards the back of the bread there is sod all filling.everything has con merchants.... car tuning, cheap DIY tools, pensions & mortgages, religion, christmas trees, high street clothes .. balh blah
welcome to the world
meloe said:
Extreme intelligence if you ask me and the power of suggestion/subconscience. I don't know how he does it, but he's obviously got an extremely high iq. I went to the same secondary school as him and he was always talked of in high regard
tricks...just been watching it again
nail writer/envelope thing is called the swami gimmick by the way
thats how he picks out the girl at the end
as for the Oracle... I think a batch of cards are taken off stage during the interval to be memorised. Its a memory trick. The interval for these shows was apparently very very long and only one person was allowed at a time to go onto the stage and drop in their secret envelope.
you can see the zimmerman effect using the Malloy master prediction box here:
http://www.malloymodernmagic.com/videos/master_pre...
its exactly the same prop as Derren uses
it even has that same cylindrical container
http://www.malloymodernmagic.com/videos/master_pre...
its exactly the same prop as Derren uses
it even has that same cylindrical container
Edited by jackal on Wednesday 14th January 01:01
its all tricks i tell you:
"I went up on stage to phone my brother. The three numbers Derren predicted were ‘734′. The first three number my brother said were ‘369′ and the second numbers were ‘219′.
After he got these wrong Derren padded out the time by talking to him and trying to get himn to guess another 3 numbers - still wrong (these were not written on the board). He then went back to the paper board (remeber how close it was to the curtain). I believe at this point he was handed a £10 note which had just had my borther’s numbers printed on it by an ink jet printer. He then gave me the £10 note and thanked me, just as I was about to walk off stage he called me back to open the note which had the 6 numbers exactly and in the correct order. He then let me keep the £10 note.
I was amazed for a couple of days until I realised how it was done. I was fixed on the fact that the £10 was real which meant I must have somehow got my brother to say the 6 numbers….Wrong!
On closer inspection of another £10 note there are actually 2 serial numbers, one horizontal and one that runs vertically (go and check now!). On the note was written ‘I will make him say these numbers’ all in capitals. Coincidently the first ‘I’ covered up the horizontal 6 digit serial number. Also on closer inspection the original vertical serial number has been been removed as the paper is slightly thinner and some of the image has been removed (probably chemically). The numbers that have been re-printed are slightly larger than the true £10 and have also bleed a little (due to being printed on an inkjet printer). I did see a guy in the wings of the stage but I thought he was just there for the power point show etc…..but maybe not!"
"I went up on stage to phone my brother. The three numbers Derren predicted were ‘734′. The first three number my brother said were ‘369′ and the second numbers were ‘219′.
After he got these wrong Derren padded out the time by talking to him and trying to get himn to guess another 3 numbers - still wrong (these were not written on the board). He then went back to the paper board (remeber how close it was to the curtain). I believe at this point he was handed a £10 note which had just had my borther’s numbers printed on it by an ink jet printer. He then gave me the £10 note and thanked me, just as I was about to walk off stage he called me back to open the note which had the 6 numbers exactly and in the correct order. He then let me keep the £10 note.
I was amazed for a couple of days until I realised how it was done. I was fixed on the fact that the £10 was real which meant I must have somehow got my brother to say the 6 numbers….Wrong!
On closer inspection of another £10 note there are actually 2 serial numbers, one horizontal and one that runs vertically (go and check now!). On the note was written ‘I will make him say these numbers’ all in capitals. Coincidently the first ‘I’ covered up the horizontal 6 digit serial number. Also on closer inspection the original vertical serial number has been been removed as the paper is slightly thinner and some of the image has been removed (probably chemically). The numbers that have been re-printed are slightly larger than the true £10 and have also bleed a little (due to being printed on an inkjet printer). I did see a guy in the wings of the stage but I thought he was just there for the power point show etc…..but maybe not!"
superkartracer said:
He did did a gig at our Christmas party just gone, awesome when you're pissed up. The closing trick was simply mind blowing!!
He got people to shout out 9 random numbers *1-9, then pulled back a black cloth covering a marker board, with a number writen on it.
He then added the random numbers up the people had called out, he had written them on a board, 3 across 3 down, they added up
to the number he uncovered going in each direction!! horizontal - diagonal and vertical backwards and forwards.
F**k knows how he did that.
its a variation on the zimmerman effect called 'Dream Vision' prodcued by Don WayneHe got people to shout out 9 random numbers *1-9, then pulled back a black cloth covering a marker board, with a number writen on it.
He then added the random numbers up the people had called out, he had written them on a board, 3 across 3 down, they added up
to the number he uncovered going in each direction!! horizontal - diagonal and vertical backwards and forwards.
F**k knows how he did that.
Copperfield did it once on a huge scale
Horse_Apple said:
sstein said:
dwilkie said:
I've been watching it and trickery or no trickery, it's amazing. Not sure how he was guessing half the stuff he did from the audience when he was blindfolded either!
I'm guessing the people who had bought tickets got random phone calls a week or so before the show. Sort of, answer our questionnaire and have the chance to win a holiday etc..-
Stuart
He basically already knew the information about those individuals and simply called out their name and rough age to get them to reveal themselves.
Would not be at all surprised if all those people had pages on freely accessible social networking sites like Facebook.
I would also bet that all of those people were the ones who paid for the tickets directly rather than being the unknown guest/partner of the person who paid online.
He is brilliant and I suspect that he has a team of researchers digging out this basic information.
it asked not only your secret question but also your DOB (where he got the star signs from) and also one personal thing about you (your thinking of having kids, you died your hair tonight etc..)
when he verbalises these bits of information it appears amazing to the individual because he still cant work out how Brown accessed that info on the card but it appears even MOR amazing to everyone else (i.e. most of the audience and everyone watcxhing on TV) because you only knew about these 2 extra questions on the cards if you went up to the ushers and got one.
shakotan said:
I saw one of his shows when he was trying to guess pictures that people had drawn.
I picked up on one of the pictures, when he was telling the person to draw something, his speech contained keywords like 'wave' and 'sail' (although not directly in context, something like "Let your thoughts come over you like a wave, let your mind sail into the distance to think of an object to draw").
Sure enough, the person drew a crude picture of a yacht, which Derren 'guessed' correctly.
http://www.fabricedelaure.com/en/clipboard.phpI picked up on one of the pictures, when he was telling the person to draw something, his speech contained keywords like 'wave' and 'sail' (although not directly in context, something like "Let your thoughts come over you like a wave, let your mind sail into the distance to think of an object to draw").
Sure enough, the person drew a crude picture of a yacht, which Derren 'guessed' correctly.
or a variation thereof
Edited by jackal on Wednesday 14th January 11:15
lawrence567 said:
There is a lot of trickery & that involved.
I know the people were moving the table, it's when it was floating that gets me!
teh 'moving' table is probably the actual only true natural mentalist phenonmenon on the showI know the people were moving the table, it's when it was floating that gets me!
motor neurone movement by suggestion... its well documented and works
teh floating table was a standard trick, 'The Losander' table (see youtube) but improved with an anti gravity box
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=Excalib...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BnreORgiT5s
Edited by jackal on Wednesday 14th January 12:53
Piersman2 said:
The table. We all assume the table is made of solid oak or something equally heavy. But I assumed the table was made of hollow balsa wood and probably weighed a few grammes. I also watched his hands very carefully and he had hold of the cloth with at least one hand the whole way through.
So a small stick or two, attached to the corners of the table and his corners of the cloth... and voila! A floating table.
the losander table is done with fingertip controlSo a small stick or two, attached to the corners of the table and his corners of the cloth... and voila! A floating table.
dwilkie said:
I don't think it could be an electromagnet under the stage to be fair - wouldn't that cause havoc with the radio mics?
its not magnets... in fact I can't recall any trick ever being done with magnets despite the fact that joe public often offer it up as the explanation (and that includes Copperfields flying which was most definitly not electromagnets)Losander table is a rod running from the fingertip
if you ever watch it again look at Derrens right hand all the way through the trick
same principle as the all time classic "Zombie Ball"
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