NHS Pension (Sorry)

NHS Pension (Sorry)

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Thursday 4th October 2012
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I'm looking for some advice from those with an NHS Pension, or those that understand it well.

From what I understand, the net cost of the pension is currently c.£165 per month (after tax savings).

I am wondering now, especially with the changes due (it will keep increasing and will change to average salary), whether my money may be better elsewhere.

I'm not entirely sure of the benefits/negatives of sticking with it or stopping it, so I'd really appreciate some advice.

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Thursday 4th October 2012
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Rollin said:
If you are looking to put the money into a different pension, I doubt you will find one that's better.
If you think you can invest the £165 and achieve better returns (property,shares etc.) then have a go smile
The other option is to spend the money and hope you don't live beyond retirement age. smile

I'm in my forties and I am under no illusion that the age I get my NHS pension will be before 75.
That I think is my concern. I'm 28, and we can't say for sure that there will even be any money there when I get to 75, 80, 85, or whenever it will be.

I'm thinking £165 overpayment into the mortgage each month could make more sense than paying into a pension. I'm not sure though, as I've never really thought about it before. When I joined the NHS, I was told 'you'd be a fool to leave it', so I never have. Basically... Is this still the case?

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Thursday 4th October 2012
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Thanks for that. I appreciate it.

My problem is that it was very good. It's now getting more expensive per month (£30 more per month for me), and it's then going to change to 'average salary'. When this happens, would your view change?

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Thursday 4th October 2012
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But... In the event I sit on, let's just say, £30,000 for most of my career, then jump to £60,000 (extreme, but just as an example), this means I'll actually get a lot less, doesn't it?

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Friday 5th October 2012
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sidicks said:
Pulse said:
But... In the event I sit on, let's just say, £30,000 for most of my career, then jump to £60,000 (extreme, but just as an example), this means I'll actually get a lot less, doesn't it?
Is that likely??

Maybe you'll only get 2 to 2.5 times what your own contributions would have funded - isn't that still pretty amazing?!
I can hope! hehe

It's quite likely that I will continue to go up, which means over my career I will be getting less; but I see what you're both saying - I'll stick with it! I'm only 28, and have paid in for 4 years now.

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Saturday 6th October 2012
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MEC said:
is it average over the whole work term or just the last 10 years? I thought the latter?

Also consider the pension contribution is not taxed so the actual cost to you is more like £120 per month.
That's net though. Gross is more like £220 or something like that.

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Saturday 6th October 2012
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It just goes to show that I know nothing about pensions! hehe

Is there any (simple) way to calculate what I get back, and when? I'm in the 2008 scheme, so I believe I don't get the initial lump sum.

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Saturday 6th October 2012
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sidicks said:
p1doc said:
also be aware that roughly every year you retire early you lose 5%overall pension
Th time for accumulation of contributions is less and the pension will be paid for longer, so 5% reduction seems generous!!
That's what I was thinking. I will be happy to retire at 55(?) and not pay into it for a further 10 years.

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Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Deva Link said:
anonymous said:
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That's a bit harsh on the new employer isn't it - shouldn't the NHS pick up the tab for the enhancement if the right to it already existed?

Anyway the employer will begin to save as it takes on new staff at a more typical private sector pension.
It will, but it depends on the size and nature of the service as to how much they'll get hit.

It's the single most restrictive area for private sector bidders for NHS contracts (where TUPE implications are apparent).

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Tuesday 9th October 2012
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Deva Link said:
Pulse said:
It's the single most restrictive area for private sector bidders for NHS contracts (where TUPE implications are apparent).
It's a sad indictment of private sector pensions that that's the case.
Well the issue is not isolated to the pension provision (and actually, you can't provide an exact replica of the NHS pension). In addition to that, you have the other T&Cs, such as redundancy payments (1 month for every year you have worked in the NHS), which again doesn't compare to that available to private sector.

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Tuesday 9th October 2012
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anonymous said:
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Very true. We're veering into different territory now, but a number of people I know had £100k+ payouts, only to end up with another job very quickly after.