DPFs. More hassle than they're worth?

DPFs. More hassle than they're worth?

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aturnick54

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Have an Audi with the 3.0 TDI engine. Recently been having DPF issues. Did a 500 mile motorway journey without issue (mostly doing 60-65mph), and as soon as I go out the next day the DPF light pops up. Took it for a spirited drive, when it decided to go into limp mode. Attempted a forced regeneration and the soot level just kept increasing. Currently on 39g with no clue what to do next. 70% of my driving is on the motorway however previous to my ownership the car was doing just 5k a year, possibly round town. I wouldn't expect it to clog like this though after such a long run. Most stories you hear are from people who drive around town and never allow the car long runs to regen properly.

The common solution seems to be gut the DPF and have it mapped out. Same goes for the EGR system and even Adblue. Which makes me wonder, are these systems causing more problems than they intend to solve?

aturnick54

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stevemcs said:
Nothing wrong with DPF's they work. You will find something else is stopping it, you need to scan for fault codes and look at live data. Continuing to drive it will only cause further issues.
Have error codes:
• P2002 - Diesel Particulate Filter Efficiency Below Threshold Bank 1
• P2463 - Diesel Particulate Filter Restriction - Soot Accumulation

No other error codes

aturnick54

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SteBrown91 said:
Likely to be a faulty pressure sensor - common on VAG group cars. Find the faulty sensor, replace and do a force regen and should hopefully be good.
Are there any other symptoms of this other than blocked DPF?

aturnick54

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BunkMoreland said:
THIS! 1000 times this!

Diesel in general is a fine fuel for a specific purpose. And that purpose is NOT a passenger car! laugh

Makes me laugh how many people buy the wrong car for their needs because they get suckered in by "high mpg" figures (which we all know are not even close to real world) And seem to forget that currently diesel is 10p a litre more than petrol so even if your getting 45mpg. Cost wise its equivalent to 35mpg in a petrol car. AND you don't have DPF, AdBlue and all the other emissions crap that goes wrong!


Oh and the answer for a DPF regen is NOT a "spirited drive" (despite what the PH big dick swingers think) Its a relatively stable 50-60mph for a good 30-60mins! Caining it makes the problem worse!
This is what confuses me a bit. Some say low RPM and minimal throttle will not help, others say booting it won't help. Which is the right answer?

Surely a 500 mile trip on the motorway is optimal conditions. However RPM is kept low and throttle input mostly low.

aturnick54

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Skyrocket21 said:
I would guess a faulty pressure sensor, get yourself the VAG DPF app on android and a ELM327 bluetooth reader / dongle "vgate" ones work well, on the app you have to select the correct engine code, it will tell you everything happening on an active dpf regen, yes on VAG cars they will regen at 1500 rpm, even on idle, because it's the temperature of the DPF that matters, when it hits over 600c the regen will happen quickly, it does this by adding extra diesel called post injection, when you can also see grey smoke when you stop, passive regen happens under certain parameters, usually on a dual carriageway. (They will also regen pootling around town, you'll see the smoke when you stop and set off again)

Thrashing it will be counter productive to a regen, because it will slow it down, or it will stop, or lifting your foot off the throttle, on a VAG common rail tdi, the best method I've discovered after doing 100's is 4th gear at about 60 mph the rpm's will be about 2000 to 2200, you can thrash it a little to get it hotter, then aim for a hill at that speed, once it hits 600 plus c on the dpf the regen happens quickly, probably 10-12 mins.

It's not a brilliant idea to switch them off during an active regen because of the increased risk of fuel dilution, people do that everyday.
Only codes I've found are P2002 and P2463. Would a dodgy pressure sensor throw up a specific fault code? I guess it could possibly just giving the wrong value and making the car believe it doesn't need to regen.

aturnick54

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robertfleckney said:
Most vehicles with DPFs start a regen once up to temperature. Could this be a thermostat/temp sensor issue? Perhaps the ECU doesn’t realise the car is at the correct temperature.
Pressure sensor has been mentioned a few times.

Even when I forced a regen the soot level was increasing

aturnick54

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Skyrocket21 said:
Those codes are just telling you that it's blocking up, a restriction is happening, I'm guessing you have the exhaust symbol dpf light on the dashboard, that's the last stage before it'll go into limp mode and you'll be in a vw garage. Your best bet is to get it to a trusted VAG specialist with the correct equipment, they'll be looking at the differential pressure etc, basically it's not working because of a fault, the easiest one to change is the pressure sensor, it's the plastic rectangular shaped thing with a pipe to nowhere, assuming it's the same on a 3.0 tdi. There's a point whereby it won't regen without specialist equipment as a safety measure, not sure if 31 grams is there or not.

You need to get it to a VAG specialist who know the car, personally not keen on the mobile DPF specialists, when it's working, they can perform a forced regen with their equipment. Throwing in a can of archoil AR6400-D will help clear it when it's fixed, it won't solve anything.
Currently got the DPF light 'particulate filter: system fault' - and flashing glow plug light. Stuck in limp mode.

I have stumbled across a DPF specialist and they mention pressure sensors are a common fault on VW diesels. Perhaps they can correctly diagnose and clean it out