Tanzanite/Cognac F32 - hard combo to sell?

Tanzanite/Cognac F32 - hard combo to sell?

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MitchT

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Currently looking for an F32 440i, though I want Snapper Rocks Blue ideally. I've noticed a Tanzanite Blue one with Cognac leather keeps coming up in my searches. It's been for sale for ages at a Vauxhall dealerrship not far from me. I did some digging and the tax expired on 2 February 2023, so it's been for sale for over a year now. A pic of the service history on the iDrive screen shows the PDI check was on 23 January 2019, yet the date of first registration is 6 February 2020 so, again, it took over a year to sell when it was new. The only other item of curiosity is that the two services it's had are logged as "00000", which is the default code for a car serviced outside the BMW dealer network. There are usually five numbers that are unique to a BMW dealer.

In case anyone's curious, here's the car:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302094...

MitchT

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I agree, it looks great - a cut above the relatively generic spec that most have. Could be something else putting people off I suppose. I guess a Vauxhall dealership isn't the best place for a car like that!

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StuTheGrouch said:
The length of time that it's sat would be a concern, so I would want a full BMW service for peace of mind.
Definitely. I wonder what a year sitting around would do to the battery?


StuTheGrouch said:
FYI, the URL for Autotrader provide you with the date of the advert going live. So, in your link the numbers are 202302094083688, with the first eight being relevant. That means it was listed on the 9th February 2023.
That's really useful to know, thanks.

I think the price is a tad strong. A while back I saw an approved used 440i with 18k miles for £26,230 so I think this one, without the benefit of approved used BMW staus, or the 12 month BMW warranty which comes with an approved used BMW, needs to be a fair chunk less.

MitchT

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Also worth considering... the build date is 23 November 2018, and with only 16k miles it might still be on the original tyres, so they'll possibly all need swapping out due to their age.

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bmwmike said:
Or explain all these points to the seller and see if they'll come down a good chunk in order to shift old stock.
I thought about that.

Four new tyres.
New battery.
BMW warranty.
Precautionary service.

That'll be £2k then!

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simonwhite2000 said:
That looks lovely. I had an 840 in Carbon Black and Cognac and I absolutely loved the interior colour and always received compliments on it. Black leather is quite boring in comparison!
Yep, I love it too. Just a shame the lower half of the dashboard isn't also in Cognac to create a continuous flow of colour from the door cards.

ChocolateFrog said:
I thought dealers punted stuff on after a few months to avoid this exact scenario.
BMW main delaers usually punt cars on after 90 days. This is a bit of an oddball though - a BMW for sale at a Vauxhall dealership and both services in the iDrive are showing as "00000" which is the code when it hasn't been done by a BMW main dealer. Maybe it was owned by someone at Evans Halshaw (who don't have any BMW dealerships to my knowledge) and serviced by one of their dealers, hence the servicing anomaly and the fact that it hasn't been punted on.

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I-am-the-reverend said:
... and the Network Q warranty is pretty good.
Would it have the Network Q warranty though? The information for approved used Vauxhalls says "Generally backed by a minimum of 12 months comprehensive warranty cover", but this car says "Minimum 3 Month Guarantee", so maybe as it's not a Vauxhall it has some other inferior warranty on it.

MitchT

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Thursday 22nd February
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I was really wanting one in Snapper Rocks Blue and the front "surround view" camera (which this one doesn't have) is pretty much a must-have. However, it's a lovely spec and the low mileage means I'd get plenty of years of the BMW comprensive warranty (which I'd purchase for it) at the lower price before it hits 60k miles and the higher rate kicks in, so I can't really ignore it. There's currently an approved used Snapper Rocks Blue one for sale at a BMW dealership 30 minutes drive from me, with the surround view camera and at a lower price, though it's got 44k miles, so it's a bit of a mental juggling act.

NB. The Cognac is the Dakota leather. I remember it from the configurator. They seem to be very rare with Merino leather. If I could find one with Cashmere Beige Merino I'd start throwing bundles of cash at the seller!

Edited by MitchT on Thursday 22 February 19:06

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JNW1 said:
The advert for the Tanzanite car says it has the 360 degree cameras which to me would imply it has surround view - is that not the case? To be honest not having it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me - it was useful on my M340i but something I'd lived without for years and something I'm living without again now!
I suspect by "360 degree cameras" they're referring to the 360 degree parking sensors. This one definintely doesn't have surround view - the little camera is clearly not present under the parking sensor on the close up of the front bumper and the camera button for surround view isn't there between the park assist button and the eco pro button on the centre panel next to the gear shifter. I really wouldn't want to be without surround view given the increasing numner of occasions that I have to drive blind out of a parking space because there's a tall vehicle parked next to me, an issue that the growing popularity of SUVs is making progressively worse. That said, I could live without it on an otherwise perfect car.

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Friday 23rd February
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Just had a nosey on the Stratstone website to see what they've got in stock as I'm going to be at the Porsche centre in Leeds on Sunday morning with a mate and the Stratstone BMW dealer is next door. Interestingly, this car came up in the results. Turns out Evans Halshaw and Stratstone are both part of the Pendragon Group, which bids the question, why isn't this car being punted through a Stratstone BMW dealer?

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edthefed said:
Also one of the pics shows a yellow warning on the dashboard.
Can't see any yellow lights but the red light on the instruments on Pics 2 and 21 is the handbrake light which is probably on because the engine is running, as evidenced by the needle on the rev counter. The red light on Pic 22 is the seatbelt light, probably because someone is sitting in the driver's seat while the engine is running.

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Friday 23rd February
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cerb4.5lee said:
Why has it been given a green ok on the service history when it went 3 years before an oil change? Or am I missing something?
The first entry on the iDrive is the PDI. The car was actually registered a year later, so I can only surmise that the green "OK" for the first service is because the start of the two year service interval was determined by when the car was registered and started to be used, not by the date of the PDI.

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MarkJS said:
This car can’t qualify to be a BMW Approved Used Car, so needs to stay with another/different franchised dealer within the group.
I guess Stratstone don't have a thing like Sytner Select for cars that can't be sold as "approved used".

GTEYE said:
Something strange. The steering wheel looks VERY shiny for 16,000 miles.
Probably warrants a visual inspection. I've seen some very variable steering wheel conditions. One car with just over 8k miles looked like a sweaty pervert had been all over it, another with 22k miles looked brand new. There's no rhyme or reason to it!

GTEYE said:
The idrive service history anomaly with the 0000’s would suggest all might not be as it seems…
That's basically just the default for a service done outside the BMW main deler network. Not a concern in itself as long as the service has been done correctly.

edthefed said:
The front on pictures showing the reg plate clearly has a dealership logo at the bottom of the plate

Pic 5 rear of the car - there appears to be no dealership logo at the bottom of the plate - possible accident damage.
I think that's down the the lighting in pic 5. In pic 7 the dealer name is clearly visible on the rear plate.

MitchT

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Saturday 24th February
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Tricky one because, if I were to buy it, I'd put the BMW warranty on it, however, I don't want them to turn round, in the event of a claim, and tell me they're not paying up because the car isn't actually eligible due to a shady service history.

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Sunday 25th February
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Went and had a look today...

Stunning looking car, pretty immaculate other than a few small light scratches as you'd expect to find on a four year old car. The contrast leather and piano black dashboard trim makes the car feel like it cost twice as much as one with default black leather and brushed aliminium trim. Paperwork was all in the glove compartment. Originally supplied by Sytner Nottingham and owned by someone in Watford. The two services were done by a place called VW Doctor - an independent VW specialist. The services detailed were the correct ones, though there's obviously no way of knowing what was actually done. Sales guy said the 24 month warranty that you can get from them is the same as the BMW warranty as they're part of the same group as Stratstone, but it costs less. Tad sceptical about that.

Only issues of note were when I opened the bonnet there was a layer of moisture on top of the driver's side "dome" where the suspension strut is. Also, when I pulled the rear arm rest down, the plastic flaps that open to reveal the cupholders also had some moisture on them, though there was no moisture in the recess that the arm rest slots into when you stow it. Also, there was quite a bit of green on the black rubber seals along the bottom of the front side windows. I don't know if the will clean off or will be a part of the rubber by now.

The sales guy confirmed that the car has been there a year and said only four people have shown an interest in it. It should probably be at a dealership that sells those kind of cars to get an appropriate audience, not a Vauxhall dealership!

Edited by MitchT on Sunday 25th February 16:17

MitchT

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Sunday 25th February
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No services missing. The ones documented were an oil service and a brake fluid service.

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stevemcs said:
Evan’s Halshaw warranty isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, the last one we had the misfortune of dealing with paid £35 per hour plus vat.
I said my intention was to put a BMW warranty on it, hence why I needed to confirm that the servicing has been done properly, and he assured me the product they offer for this car is the same as they're part of the same group as Stratstone BMW, but I'd do my homework before committing to it.

stevemcs said:
So, did you put a deposit down.
No, I have another to look at and I still really want one in Snapper Rocks Blue with the front "surround view" cameras which this one doesn't have. That said, for the right price I'd be happy to go for it.

MitchT

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Sunday 25th February
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Two years or 18,000 miles I believe so, yes, probable biggie due this year!

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Nothing came up on the iDrive when the car was started, so I don't think it's flagging an overdue service yet. The brake disks did have plenty of corrosion on them though.

I think the price is pretty much approved used BMW money - Stratstone in Derby had a well specced one for £26,230 with 18k miles last year - same sort of age at the time. I'd be wanting a grand off because it isn't an AUC, then another grand for the big service and any miscellaneous niggles. I'd give them £24k but happy to walk otherwise as I'm not emotionally attached to it. Strange that the original owner took it to a VW indy for servicing. I would have thought if you could afford a car like that you could afford to take it to a main dealer for servicing.

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The damp was definitely an odd one.

This isn't the actual car - just a pic I pulled from Google but, to illustrate what I mean, the black plastic flaps in the rear centre armrest had what looked like condensation on them! The corresponding area in the recess where the arm rest stows felt dry, so it might just be an odd phenomenon affecting all cars like this when the temperature in the boot is different to the temperature in the cabin. It was more like tiny bobbles of water clinging to the surface of the plastic than any kind of water than had run there, so I do believe it was condensation and not water ingress. Strange though. NB. The armrest was stowed until I climbed in the back and pulled it down.