Zebra Crossings - Do you stop for Cyclists?
Discussion
Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...
Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
I'd slow down and expect him to stop, but be prepared to go if I see him slowing down to a stop.
In the end, it's the driver that will be in trouble even though cyclists aren't meant to use zebra crossings. And of course I don't want to hurt him and damage my car and his bike since he could easily ride away without giving his details if he wasn't hurt, leaving me to pay for the damage to my car.
If I'm on my bike, I always give way to traffic, but don't bother walking across when it's clear like I think you're meant to do - I just ride.
In the end, it's the driver that will be in trouble even though cyclists aren't meant to use zebra crossings. And of course I don't want to hurt him and damage my car and his bike since he could easily ride away without giving his details if he wasn't hurt, leaving me to pay for the damage to my car.
If I'm on my bike, I always give way to traffic, but don't bother walking across when it's clear like I think you're meant to do - I just ride.
robwales said:
I'd slow down and expect him to stop, but be prepared to go if I see him slowing down to a stop.
In the end, it's the driver that will be in trouble even though cyclists aren't meant to use zebra crossings. And of course I don't want to hurt him and damage my car and his bike since he could easily ride away without giving his details if he wasn't hurt, leaving me to pay for the damage to my car.
If I'm on my bike, I always give way to traffic, but don't bother walking across when it's clear like I think you're meant to do - I just ride.
I'm with you on that one. Even if the cyclist is in the wrong for darting across the zebra crossing if would be very difficult to prove if there were no witnesses. Just a dead cyclist on a crossing with you at the wheel. Best to slow and be prepared to stop. In the end, it's the driver that will be in trouble even though cyclists aren't meant to use zebra crossings. And of course I don't want to hurt him and damage my car and his bike since he could easily ride away without giving his details if he wasn't hurt, leaving me to pay for the damage to my car.
If I'm on my bike, I always give way to traffic, but don't bother walking across when it's clear like I think you're meant to do - I just ride.
Olf said:
Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...
Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Fascinating Olf, were they with horse and caravan as well? Were they "pikey's" trying to sell the crossing to you? Ah bless, just drive on old chap, you'll be alright in the end - six feet under, oops!Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Romanymagic said:
Olf said:
Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...
Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Fascinating Olf, were they with horse and caravan as well? Were they "pikey's" trying to sell the crossing to you? Ah bless, just drive on old chap, you'll be alright in the end - six feet under, oops!Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Olf said:
Scenario: You're approaching a zebra crossing and a person riding a push bike is either riding (on the pavement) towards it looking to use it to stop you or he's astride the bike and waiting for you to stop so he can ride across the crossing...
Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
Technically I don't think you have to stop.Do you stop? (assuming you can drive on slowly over the crossing, attracting only his annoyance).
A pedestrian only has right of way on a zebra crossing if their foot is on the carriage way; the kerb stone is the carriage way. If the foot goes down before you are in the zigzags they have right of way. If their foot goes down after you arrive in the zigzags you have right of way.
As for a cyclist, I'm not sure how that works. If he's waiting by the crossing - no, i wouldn't stop. He can continue to wait as he hasn't activated the procedure to cross, but I will slow down and take a precaution not to run him down should he decide to make the crossing.
If the cyclist is still moving then definitely not. You have no idea where he's going, so why do you think that he will be crossing at the crossing anyway?
If a cyclist is inclined to cross a crossing without stopping, then their days are numbered whatever happens, and I can't see how the driver can respond or made liable in that case. No motorist wants to run over a cyclist, so as long as the motorist has his affairs in order (eg license, no vehicle defects, an MOT, insurance and a good driving history) I can't see why the Police wouldn't side with the motorist if they are the only witness.
tinman0 said:
If a cyclist is inclined to cross a crossing without stopping, then their days are numbered whatever happens, and I can't see how the driver can respond or made liable in that case. No motorist wants to run over a cyclist, so as long as the motorist has his affairs in order (eg license, no vehicle defects, an MOT, insurance and a good driving history) I can't see why the Police wouldn't side with the motorist if they are the only witness.
So if there are no witnesses I can quite legally and happily run over all cyclists on crossings? It's the traffic light crossing I take every day that gets me - okay I fully admit I cycle over it, perhaps it may make a difference if I walk but I tend to cycle just in case I can cross over without having to press the button (lights are just in front of a roundabout and I know are a pain to drivers when they go off) - but so many drivers just run the red lights!
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