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Justayellowbadge

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37,057 posts

268 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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I'm all for sensible management of NHS money but this seems ghoulish.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...


Stuartggray

7,703 posts

254 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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It does seem ghoulish, but have you seen the size of the house?

FiF

48,337 posts

277 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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But taken in the context of the billions that the NHS wastes it leaves one with a sense of unease.

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

208 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Stuartggray said:
It does seem ghoulish, but have you seen the size of the house?
It's hardly Buckingham Palace.



If the NHS do want to go down this route a fairer way would be some sort of charging order on the property - so she doesn't have to sell it now but when she does they then get their money back.

Although, to be honest I can't see many taxpayers complaining if they just let things be and not pursue this lady for the money.

Unfortunate situation all round.

Steameh

3,155 posts

236 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Victor McDade said:
It's hardly Buckingham Palace.



If the NHS do want to go down this route a fairer way would be some sort of charging order on the property - so she doesn't have to sell it now but when she does they then get their money back.

Although, to be honest I can't see many taxpayers complaining if they just let things be and not pursue this lady for the money.

Crap situation all round.
Its a pretty huge house for 2 people

anonymous-user

80 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Handy house for a young lad in a wheelchair 2 floors, big step to front etc,,

What/who was she thinking about when buying it?

smegmore

3,091 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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They should leave the poor woman alone.

In the context of the billions pissed away by the NHS on wasteful mismanagement the amount is sweetie money.

Justayellowbadge

Original Poster:

37,057 posts

268 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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What surprises me is that the compensation can be conditional in this way.

I've not heard of such a thing previously.

Although handled by trustees, I'd have expected any award to be absolute.

Stuartggray

7,703 posts

254 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Victor McDade said:
Stuartggray said:
It does seem ghoulish, but have you seen the size of the house?
It's hardly Buckingham Palace.

My point was that whoever decided to start the act of reclaiming the money from her was probably coloured by by the size of the house, which I'm sure you will agree is rather large for two people, even if you factor in a couple of full time professional on-site carers.
Do you know how many people live in Buckingham Palace? Hundreds, I tell you.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

230 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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smegmore said:
They should leave the poor woman alone.

In the context of the billions pissed away by the NHS on wasteful mismanagement the amount is sweetie money.
Well you have to start cutting waste somewhere

scenario8

7,760 posts

205 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Justayellowbadge said:
What surprises me is that the compensation can be conditional in this way.

I've not heard of such a thing previously.

Although handled by trustees, I'd have expected any award to be absolute.
On the emboldened part, and directed to the room and not you specifically, why should the totality of an award be an absolute payment? If an award is granted to cater for ongoing care if that care is unexpectedly no longer required I honestly don't see why that part of an award shouldn't be reclaimed. So strike me down.

While I can understand why many would see this action as heartless I don't have an issue with the concept of reclaiming unrequired ongoing care payments.

Justayellowbadge

Original Poster:

37,057 posts

268 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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scenario8 said:
On the emboldened part, and directed to the room and not you specifically, why should the totality of an award be an absolute payment? If an award is granted to cater for ongoing care if that care is unexpectedly no longer required I honestly don't see why that part of an award shouldn't be reclaimed. So strike me down.

While I can understand why many would see this action as heartless I don't have an issue with the concept of reclaiming unrequired ongoing care payments.
It's the reclaiming.

In a case like this, why not a lump sum for capital outlay, and periodic payments for ongoing care?

scenario8

7,760 posts

205 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Why not indeed. Perhaps there are reasons that traditionally a big fat sum is awarded. I'm certainly not an expert.

voyds9

8,490 posts

309 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Reading between the lines

Seems fair to me, an interim payment until the childs 10th birthday then reassess for further damages.

Bet she now sues for distress.

spaximus

4,365 posts

279 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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When you read the full details it is not a simple case. The gist of the case was because she was not tested correctly she did not have the opportunity to abort the child. It is not clear what she would have done, but one could guess, which I have no problem with if that would have been her choice.
Once it was clear there was a problem she was awarded an interim sum of money to provide care until he was ten, after which more money would have been provided. Unfortunately he died suddenly at the age of six. The money was for care, not compensation, to provide a big house and as the care is no longer needed it is right it should be reclaimed, in my opinion.
It is sad the child died but if she can no longer afford the house then that is a seperate matter to the reclaim of the money allocated for care.

On Ph people go on about benifts etc and yet here is a case that she knew might happen which she says she understood but still wants to hold on to the home her sons and her misfortune paid for. £330k can now be used for other needy people, how is this wrong?

MitchT

17,095 posts

235 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Steameh said:
Victor McDade said:
It's hardly Buckingham Palace.



If the NHS do want to go down this route a fairer way would be some sort of charging order on the property - so she doesn't have to sell it now but when she does they then get their money back.

Although, to be honest I can't see many taxpayers complaining if they just let things be and not pursue this lady for the money.

Crap situation all round.
Its a pretty huge house for 2 people
Indeed. I know this is a forum full of powerfully-built, supercar owning company directors who struggle to relate to plebian concerns, but that is huge by most ordinary people's standards.

bitchstewie

65,421 posts

236 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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I'm probably going to sound harsh here but the compensation was, presumably, to care for the child. Whilst anyone would agree that "care" includes providing a nice environment, it might appear that being given £700K to care for your child and then spending £450K of it on a house is a little odd.

smegmore

3,091 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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You're right, why couldn't they have lived in a 2 up-2 down terraced dump, or some council estate sthole?

Benjurs

446 posts

204 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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I'm afraid I agree that the money should go back...I've just watched our local Look East programme and I have come to the conclusion that she spunked the money on a great big house and now is in negative equity...

A smaller house would have ensured that she still had the money to repay this as she should have budgeted to ensure that she had the cash to continue the care...makes you wonder what she's been living on since she brought the house...

Not much sympathy here I'm afraid...

bitchstewie

65,421 posts

236 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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smegmore said:
You're right, why couldn't they have lived in a 2 up-2 down terraced dump, or some council estate sthole?
Honestly, you don't think there might be something in between that and what she appears to have bought?