Mitt Romney - fool, idiot, misunderstood or other?
Discussion
Jimbeaux said:
On a promise broken? No. I want him gone based upon what I consider to be unsound fiscal policies for the future betterment of this nation. It is as simple as that. It is not racism, as some on here want to insist, it is not pure party loyalty, it is pure policy and leadership direction.
I gave a link on ACORN a few posts up to Mermaid.
ACORN lost its staus die to taxation issues, not voter fraud. In fact there was no evidence at all that ACORN was involved in any voter fraud. I gave a link on ACORN a few posts up to Mermaid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Commun...
The next segment in that article shows why ACORN got I to the s
t. Nothing whatsoever to do with your, or the WSJ's claims. Jimbeaux said:
I want him gone based upon what I consider to be unsound fiscal policies for the future betterment of this nation.
I can buy that.But I can't buy the notion that people who may say the words you like to hear on those issues, while at the same time display completely bats
t mental, holy-crap-thats-scary points of view on other issues, are fit for office.It's a bit like hiring a painter and decorator to paint your garage because you like his work, while ignoring the fact that he is a serial killer who likes wearing hats made out of meat.
The bad things make the good things irrelevant.
Countdown said:
Most western economies are struggling. The recession is global, not just in the US.
Our unemployment rate graph is almost identical, with the same drops and falls. http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2011/10/14/...
We have a global economy.
TheHeretic said:
Jimbeaux said:
Smart voters? Again you are calling basically 50% of the nation stupid; brilliant move. So, if Akin is indicative of the whole Republican party, then, your logic would dictate that the New Black Panthers intimidating white voters in Philadelphia, etc. is indicative of the whole Democratic party? Keep reaching.
Well, just under 50% of American voters are below average intelligence. 
TheHeretic said:
Countdown said:
Most western economies are struggling. The recession is global, not just in the US.
Our unemployment rate graph is almost identical, with the same drops and falls. http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2011/10/14/...
We have a global economy.
Jim: a question for you. What is your view on abortion? Are you pro/anti? You ignored my query about why the religion of a President matters, I would appreciate it if you answered this one.
Actually I'll throw this out to Unrepentant too, as they seem to be the main proto candidates here
Actually I'll throw this out to Unrepentant too, as they seem to be the main proto candidates here
vonuber said:
Jim: a question for you. What is your view on abortion? Are you pro/anti? You ignored my query about why the religion of a President matters, I would appreciate it if you answered this one.
Actually I'll throw this out to Unrepentant too, as they seem to be the main proto candidates here
I am pro choice. It is not Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney's or mine or your right to tell a woman what she should do with her body, the law is in place and has been sincte 1973.Actually I'll throw this out to Unrepentant too, as they seem to be the main proto candidates here
BenM77 said:
What form of ID are they asking for ? Why would a person of voting age AND interest not be able to obtain ID ?
My point stands, this thread is not discussing anything about real policies when it is tied up on ID.
Typically they ask for a state issued ID, which is usually a drivers license. The state I live in permits you to get a state ID if you can't drive if you present a birth certificate or naturalization certificate. The same state office is used to register to vote, renew your drivers license, get license plate tabs, and is very familiar to the state's residents. So overall it is easy to get an ID if you present the correct credentials, and easy to register to vote too.My point stands, this thread is not discussing anything about real policies when it is tied up on ID.
I stood in the queue when my wife voted at the last election. She has a designated polling station, they checked her ID, gave her a voting paper (looks more like an exam multiple choice anser sheet) and off she went to fill it in and submit it while my son and I stood around waiting. Everybody there was subject to the same rules. Our state voted for Obama and the local representative and senator were both democrats. Nobody in our area moaned to the papers or tv about being disenfranchised. I think the overall process I saw was good and thorough, and I see no issue in asking for the same level of scrutiny at every single polling booth. For those that are too busy to vote on the day they can always submit an absentee ballot. So there are plenty of ways to be able to vote, and few excuses not to.
BenM77 said:
What are the main policy differences between the Republicans and the Democrats regards the Economy and deficit ? Surely more important than the mud slinging arguments.
The key difference between the Republicans and Democrats that the politicians would have you believe is that Republicans want small government that provides only essential services (defence, motorway network, federal police, minimal regulation) leading to lower taxes and the individual being personally very responsible for their and their families' own well being. Democrats believe that having more state intervention can help achieve the goals of the people at large far better. The Dems also believe that big corporations or rich people don't have the right to be immune from prosecution - so if the Doctor or corporation messes up, they can be sued.In real terms this means the Republicans keep saying that government is too big, call for deregulation and tax cuts. It also means that the Democrats say they need to increase tax revenues for 'investing' in the country, such as providing a semi-NHS style healthcare system and creating a European style benefits culture.
In reality they are not that far apart - you only need to compare the Bush Sr, Clinton & Bush Jr economic stats to see that.
However, it's not just about taxes and spending. The Dems are by the majority of their core voters pro-choice in terms of abortion policy and the Repulicans are staunchly anti-abortion. This potentially shifts the entire election from one being about the key economic and policy issues to one tainted with the question "but what if my wife / daughter / sister / niece was raped, got pregnant and did not want the baby?" - the "woman's right to choose" policy of the Dems would appeal to many swing voters.
There was a great moment on the Anderson Cooper show Tuesday night.
Republican spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway was doing what republicans do - lying and sensationalising. Whilst trying to spin the Akin story she claimed that selective abortion based on gender was widespread in the US. A surprised Cooper challenged her immediately and asked what evidence she had for her claim and she quoted the respected Guttmacher Institute as her source. Within a few minutes the CNN team had accessed the actual Guttmacher study which, of course, said nothing of the sort, exposing the lie whilst Conway was still on screen. The vacuous bint was shown up as a liar and had to sit there grinning moronicaly whilst she was made to look ridiculous.
Still, at least she quoted a source, even a made up one................
Republican spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway was doing what republicans do - lying and sensationalising. Whilst trying to spin the Akin story she claimed that selective abortion based on gender was widespread in the US. A surprised Cooper challenged her immediately and asked what evidence she had for her claim and she quoted the respected Guttmacher Institute as her source. Within a few minutes the CNN team had accessed the actual Guttmacher study which, of course, said nothing of the sort, exposing the lie whilst Conway was still on screen. The vacuous bint was shown up as a liar and had to sit there grinning moronicaly whilst she was made to look ridiculous.
Still, at least she quoted a source, even a made up one................
unrepentant said:
There was a great moment on the Anderson Cooper show Tuesday night.
Republican spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway was doing what republicans do - lying and sensationalising. Whilst trying to spin the Akin story she claimed that selective abortion based on gender was widespread in the US. A surprised Cooper challenged her immediately and asked what evidence she had for her claim and she quoted the respected Guttmacher Institute as her source. Within a few minutes the CNN team had accessed the actual Guttmacher study which, of course, said nothing of the sort, exposing the lie whilst Conway was still on screen. The vacuous bint was shown up as a liar and had to sit there grinning moronicaly whilst she was made to look ridiculous.
Still, at least she quoted a source, even a made up one................
VideoRepublican spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway was doing what republicans do - lying and sensationalising. Whilst trying to spin the Akin story she claimed that selective abortion based on gender was widespread in the US. A surprised Cooper challenged her immediately and asked what evidence she had for her claim and she quoted the respected Guttmacher Institute as her source. Within a few minutes the CNN team had accessed the actual Guttmacher study which, of course, said nothing of the sort, exposing the lie whilst Conway was still on screen. The vacuous bint was shown up as a liar and had to sit there grinning moronicaly whilst she was made to look ridiculous.
Still, at least she quoted a source, even a made up one................
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2012/08/22/anderson-c...
GavinPearson said:
BenM77 said:
What are the main policy differences between the Republicans and the Democrats regards the Economy and deficit ? Surely more important than the mud slinging arguments.
The key difference between the Republicans and Democrats that the politicians would have you believe is that Republicans want small government that provides only essential services (defence, motorway network, federal police, minimal regulation) leading to lower taxes and the individual being personally very responsible for their and their families' own well being. Democrats believe that having more state intervention can help achieve the goals of the people at large far better. The Dems also believe that big corporations or rich people don't have the right to be immune from prosecution - so if the Doctor or corporation messes up, they can be sued.In real terms this means the Republicans keep saying that government is too big, call for deregulation and tax cuts. It also means that the Democrats say they need to increase tax revenues for 'investing' in the country, such as providing a semi-NHS style healthcare system and creating a European style benefits culture.
In reality they are not that far apart - you only need to compare the Bush Sr, Clinton & Bush Jr economic stats to see that.
However, it's not just about taxes and spending. The Dems are by the majority of their core voters pro-choice in terms of abortion policy and the Repulicans are staunchly anti-abortion. This potentially shifts the entire election from one being about the key economic and policy issues to one tainted with the question "but what if my wife / daughter / sister / niece was raped, got pregnant and did not want the baby?" - the "woman's right to choose" policy of the Dems would appeal to many swing voters.
It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging !
It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery.
BenM77 said:
Thankyou for your replys, from reading this thread it really does seem that the issues like abortion could be a big decider for people uncertain of which way to vote. I take it the Republicans get a lot of religious votes for the very same reason they don't get pro-choice votes.
It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging !
It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery.
Good post - democracy at work It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging !
It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery.
Mermaid said:
BenM77 said:
Thankyou for your replys, from reading this thread it really does seem that the issues like abortion could be a big decider for people uncertain of which way to vote. I take it the Republicans get a lot of religious votes for the very same reason they don't get pro-choice votes.
It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging !
It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery.
Good post - democracy at work It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging !
It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery.
Just for reference, I would likely vote Democrat in the US. My point about it being difficult for intelligent Republicans is that they have a lot to defend that is seperate from economic policies.
I think it is harder because of the size of the US, I have seen Jimbeaux mention local Government being important which makes sense if the states vary a lot across the whole country.
BenM77 said:
Not 100% sure what you mean
Just for reference, I would likely vote Democrat in the US. My point about it being difficult for intelligent Republicans is that they have a lot to defend that is seperate from economic policies.
I think it is harder because of the size of the US, I have seen Jimbeaux mention local Government being important which makes sense if the states vary a lot across the whole country.
I agree, particularly with the 1st para -" from reading this thread it really does seem that the issues like abortion could be a big decider for people uncertain of which way to vote. I take it the Republicans get a lot of religious votes for the very same reason they don't get pro-choice votes." there are issues other than the economy that will determine. Just for reference, I would likely vote Democrat in the US. My point about it being difficult for intelligent Republicans is that they have a lot to defend that is seperate from economic policies.
I think it is harder because of the size of the US, I have seen Jimbeaux mention local Government being important which makes sense if the states vary a lot across the whole country.
. It's not just the economy.GavinPearson said:
However, it's not just about taxes and spending. The Dems are by the majority of their core voters pro-choice in terms of abortion policy and the Repulicans are staunchly anti-abortion. This potentially shifts the entire election from one being about the key economic and policy issues to one tainted with the question "but what if my wife / daughter / sister / niece was raped, got pregnant and did not want the baby?" - the "woman's right to choose" policy of the Dems would appeal to many swing voters.
As I understand it, the policy that the Republicans want to employ would also have some pretty serious implications for IVF (where many eggs are fertilised but not implanted), and it would seem that somewhere around a half dozen of Romney's grandkids were born using IVF. If he's a man of his convictions, he must be feeling a bit sick at the way the policy decisions are spinning away from him.He needs to get this whole thing back under control, get the narrative away from social issues and do it quickly, if he wants to win.
Mermaid said:
BenM77 said:
Not 100% sure what you mean
Just for reference, I would likely vote Democrat in the US. My point about it being difficult for intelligent Republicans is that they have a lot to defend that is seperate from economic policies.
I think it is harder because of the size of the US, I have seen Jimbeaux mention local Government being important which makes sense if the states vary a lot across the whole country.
I agree, particularly with the 1st para -" from reading this thread it really does seem that the issues like abortion could be a big decider for people uncertain of which way to vote. I take it the Republicans get a lot of religious votes for the very same reason they don't get pro-choice votes." there are issues other than the economy that will determine. Just for reference, I would likely vote Democrat in the US. My point about it being difficult for intelligent Republicans is that they have a lot to defend that is seperate from economic policies.
I think it is harder because of the size of the US, I have seen Jimbeaux mention local Government being important which makes sense if the states vary a lot across the whole country.
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