The new BMW 1200GS Liquid Cooled.
The new BMW 1200GS Liquid Cooled.
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Mad Jock

1,272 posts

288 months

Wednesday 1st May 2013
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stu harris said:
Thanks for the ORS write up, what tyres were the other 1200GS on?

Stu
They were all on Continental TKC 80's, which we were told are to be phased out, and that the replacement, the one we had on one of the bikes, was not performing as well. They had tried a tyre from Mitas, which they reckoned was better than the TKC, but supply had dried up, and they have to wait until th eorinal fit tyres had worn out.

croyde

25,933 posts

256 months

Saturday 4th May 2013
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So how come some of you lot got decent length of time test rides then?

Called my local dealer who said that I could have one today and that it would be the 1501hrs to 1600hrs slot. The dealer is 20 miles away so I'd have to be going some in order to see how the bike is in town, plus whether I can get it in my front yard. No off road parking means no insurance you see.

Not really enough time to play with all the settings either and then decide to spend £14k on a motorbike. I've cancelled, OK they are busy and the bikes are in big demand so what do they care.

I'll have to see if I can hire one for a few days.

Pothole

34,367 posts

308 months

Saturday 4th May 2013
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croyde said:
So how come some of you lot got decent length of time test rides then?

Called my local dealer who said that I could have one today and that it would be the 1501hrs to 1600hrs slot. The dealer is 20 miles away so I'd have to be going some in order to see how the bike is in town, plus whether I can get it in my front yard. No off road parking means no insurance you see.

Not really enough time to play with all the settings either and then decide to spend £14k on a motorbike. I've cancelled, OK they are busy and the bikes are in big demand so what do they care.

I'll have to see if I can hire one for a few days.
or go on a weekday?

croyde

25,933 posts

256 months

Saturday 4th May 2013
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Ah! May of been a week day when I was allowed the use of a secondhand 1200 from 10am until the dealer closed in the evening. It's that ride which has kept me thinking about spending more money than I can justify on a GS in the first place biggrin

Steve Evil

10,810 posts

255 months

Sunday 5th May 2013
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Guess it depends on the dealer, my local one gave me two hours on a Saturday morning without having to ask.

jjr1

3,041 posts

286 months

Sunday 5th May 2013
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I test rode one this week and was given an hours slot. I gave it back after 30mins.

I just did not like the way the bike feels agricultural. The engine is lazy has little top end power but is torquey. The wind buffeting was far more than I expected. The gearbox again felt like it had a bag of nails in it.

I did like the cruise control and the handling was amazing for such a big heavy bike.

I guess I am not ready for the world of touring just yet or that I just like smooth in line fours. Whatever, it was a great disappointment to me.

y2blade

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56,296 posts

241 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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Rosscow

9,606 posts

189 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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jjr1 said:
I test rode one this week and was given an hours slot. I gave it back after 30mins.

I just did not like the way the bike feels agricultural. The engine is lazy has little top end power but is torquey. The wind buffeting was far more than I expected. The gearbox again felt like it had a bag of nails in it.

I did like the cruise control and the handling was amazing for such a big heavy bike.

I guess I am not ready for the world of touring just yet or that I just like smooth in line fours. Whatever, it was a great disappointment to me.
I've heard several people say the same.

This is what is pushing me towards the Crosstourer, the V4 engine, shaft drive and gearbox are supposedly a peach to ride.

I'll probably have a go on the GS anyway though hehe

croyde

25,933 posts

256 months

Tuesday 7th May 2013
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y2blade said:
Has that bloke saved me a lot of money? Maybe I should be looking for a bargain air-cooled biggrin

Getsis

1,549 posts

242 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/ingear/cars/ar...

I think I'll give this one a miss !!

UnluckyTimmeh

3,672 posts

239 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Getsis said:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/ingear/cars/ar...

I think I'll give this one a miss !!
Interesting, i've heard that not what happened at all and there definately was a witness, several in fact.

But maybe we've been told what they want us to hear....

croyde

25,933 posts

256 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Can anyone give us the gist of the article as its a subscription.

Ta.

Steve Evil

10,810 posts

255 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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I'd hazard a guess it's along the lines of those unexplained tank-slappers. Bike obviously did some subsequent testing in their latest issue, but they had that one at the launch where it broke the lock-stop and there was an American magazine who reported the same problem.

y2blade

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56,296 posts

241 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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UnluckyTimmeh said:
Getsis said:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/ingear/cars/ar...

I think I'll give this one a miss !!
Interesting, i've heard that not what happened at all and there definately was a witness, several in fact.

But maybe we've been told what they want us to hear....
I wouldn't read too much into that tbh.

y2blade

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56,296 posts

241 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Steve Evil said:
I'd hazard a guess it's along the lines of those unexplained tank-slappers. Bike obviously did some subsequent testing in their latest issue, but they had that one at the launch where it broke the lock-stop and there was an American magazine who reported the same problem.
No mention of the Bullsh*t "stability issues" here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...



Steve Evil

10,810 posts

255 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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y2blade said:
Steve Evil said:
I'd hazard a guess it's along the lines of those unexplained tank-slappers. Bike obviously did some subsequent testing in their latest issue, but they had that one at the launch where it broke the lock-stop and there was an American magazine who reported the same problem.
No mention of the Bullsh*t "stability issues" here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
They're not exactly BS if in at least two instances at the initial test they broke the lock-stop off the bike are they? What's more likely is that BMW have rectified the issue.

bass gt3

10,654 posts

259 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Steve Evil said:
They're not exactly BS if in at least two instances at the initial test they broke the lock-stop off the bike are they? What's more likely is that BMW have rectified the issue.
The other question is if this purported stability issue exists, underwhat conditions can it manifest?
I would suspect, especialy knowingthe terrain they rode in SA durng the test, IF the issue exists, it may only occur during off road riding. Perhaps at a certain speed, and on a certain surface a resonant frequency is established that causes the front to oscillate in a positive feedback loop to failure/crash. If this were caused or initiated by the new electronic suspension reacting in a perculiar way on a certan surface then it's going to be a pretty unique event, thn it's going to be a tough one to determine.
Re Kevin Ash, there's stil a great dal of confusion surrounding the events of his accident, so i wouldn't dismiss a problem with the bike just yet.
For example, there's a particular feature of the gravel roads over here, and thats the 'washboard' surface. The road becomes rippled due to the solid axle pick up trucks etc hammering along them and creating this horrible surface. Like tiny speedbumps a couple of inches high peak to trough and maybea foot apart. Hit that at the right speed and it knocks your teeth out.....
However, I doubt such a condition if it exists could be replicated on a normal dealer test ride.

Edited by bass gt3 on Friday 24th May 10:53

Steve Evil

10,810 posts

255 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Agreed, it's going to only happen under some fairly specific circumstances, bike did some further testing on it in their last issue and couldn't replicate it, only coming close when standing up on the bike and releasing the bars. Reading about it on a few sites, it seems that it tends to happen whilst standing up, which you'd likely only be doing offroad anyway. Though Bike did state that they were riding on-road when their tank-slapper occurred.

Having been out on one myself for a couple of hours of typical road riding I didn't notice anything untoward, I'm not the quickest rider out there, but I couldn't find anything wrong with it and I wouldn't hesitate buying one myself if I had the money. I'm still interested in the circumstances surrounding these issues though.

bass gt3

10,654 posts

259 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Steve Evil said:
Agreed, it's going to only happen under some fairly specific circumstances, bike did some further testing on it in their last issue and couldn't replicate it, only coming close when standing up on the bike and releasing the bars. Reading about it on a few sites, it seems that it tends to happen whilst standing up, which you'd likely only be doing offroad anyway. Though Bike did state that they were riding on-road when their tank-slapper occurred.

Having been out on one myself for a couple of hours of typical road riding I didn't notice anything untoward, I'm not the quickest rider out there, but I couldn't find anything wrong with it and I wouldn't hesitate buying one myself if I had the money. I'm still interested in the circumstances surrounding these issues though.
If you're standin up the CoG is probably morerearwards. If that is combined with a dodgy surface then maybethe front gets away, especialy if this new eletronic suspension is trying to modulate itself. Might stiffen up and slide off the ripples and start to bounce the front, causing a slapper.

y2blade

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56,296 posts

241 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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bass gt3 said:
Steve Evil said:
Agreed, it's going to only happen under some fairly specific circumstances, bike did some further testing on it in their last issue and couldn't replicate it, only coming close when standing up on the bike and releasing the bars. Reading about it on a few sites, it seems that it tends to happen whilst standing up, which you'd likely only be doing offroad anyway. Though Bike did state that they were riding on-road when their tank-slapper occurred.

Having been out on one myself for a couple of hours of typical road riding I didn't notice anything untoward, I'm not the quickest rider out there, but I couldn't find anything wrong with it and I wouldn't hesitate buying one myself if I had the money. I'm still interested in the circumstances surrounding these issues though.
If you're standin up the CoG is probably morerearwards. If that is combined with a dodgy surface then maybethe front gets away, especialy if this new eletronic suspension is trying to modulate itself. Might stiffen up and slide off the ripples and start to bounce the front, causing a slapper.
A little off-road vid from the Austrailian Launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWZ9xRlJnhU