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chrisw666 said:
So what solutions do you propose?
Tapered child benefit for one. Easy. Cut the cash cow down. If they know they will get less after one kid then it will focus thier attention. Definately offer free implant contraception to those who want it. Far cheaper than the alternative. markcoznottz said:
chrisw666 said:
So what solutions do you propose?
Tapered child benefit for one. Easy. Cut the cash cow down. If they know they will get less after one kid then it will focus thier attention. Definately offer free implant contraception to those who want it. Far cheaper than the alternative. My personal thought is that they should not be able to get more than people earning the minimum wage for a 40 hour week, regardless of how many kids etc. And they would have to pay their rent out of this. That would work out at £990 a month, roughly. I'm sure that would shock people into having to work.
I don't think it is right that people who are unwilling to work can have a more comfortable life than people who do work for a pittance.
Edited by BrabusMog on Tuesday 21st May 17:14
BrabusMog said:
Implant contraceptive is already free, they choose not to take it.
My personal thought is that they should not be able to get more than people earning the minimum wage for a 40 hour week, regardless of how many kids etc. And they would have to pay their rent out of this. That would work out at £990 a month, roughly. I'm sure that would shock people into having to work.
I don't think it is right that people who are unwilling to work can have a more comfortable life than people who do work for a pittance.
Exactly. My personal thought is that they should not be able to get more than people earning the minimum wage for a 40 hour week, regardless of how many kids etc. And they would have to pay their rent out of this. That would work out at £990 a month, roughly. I'm sure that would shock people into having to work.
I don't think it is right that people who are unwilling to work can have a more comfortable life than people who do work for a pittance.
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Twincam16 said:
The frustrating thing is that he's had no guidance from schools to do so.
Sorry, but why is it the school's reponsibility rather than his parents?Our current curriculum is too academic and fails thousands every year as a result.
retrorider said:
The title of the show is all wrong to me.It should be:- why this country is skint...
Not convinced. I'd say it was more to do with a tax system with too many corporate loopholes in it, Blair's encouragement of the masses to borrow their way into ten-bob millionnaire lifestyles, and an expensive fixation with banking at the expense of all other industry. Welfare spending is high, but not as draining as the other causes.Twincam16 said:
retrorider said:
The title of the show is all wrong to me.It should be:- why this country is skint...
Not convinced. I'd say it was more to do with a tax system with too many corporate loopholes in it, Blair's encouragement of the masses to borrow their way into ten-bob millionnaire lifestyles, and an expensive fixation with banking at the expense of all other industry. Welfare spending is high, but not as draining as the other causes.Twincam16 said:
retrorider said:
The title of the show is all wrong to me.It should be:- why this country is skint...
Not convinced. I'd say it was more to do with a tax system with too many corporate loopholes in it, Blair's encouragement of the masses to borrow their way into ten-bob millionnaire lifestyles, and an expensive fixation with banking at the expense of all other industry. Welfare spending is high, but not as draining as the other causes.George29 said:
It's undeniable that people like this are definitely a cause of this country's debt.
It's highly deniable. Social protection accounts for a quarter of public spending but 25% of that is the state pension. Roughly 1/8th equals income support. Even if those figures were reversed it would still be baseless hyperbole to say that that is a cause of UK indebtedness. You may just as well say the NHS or defence are too. The right question is how do we use our GDP to develop ourselves as a nation. There will always be incapable/unlucky/unfortunate people & so a need for a large budgetThe trick is separating the feckless w
kers out from the mass of grasping hands.Justin Cyder said:
It's highly deniable. Social protection accounts for a quarter of public spending but 25% of that is the state pension. Roughly 1/8th equals income support. Even if those figures were reversed it would still be baseless hyperbole to say that that is a cause of UK indebtedness. You may just as well say the NHS or defence are too. The right question is how do we use our GDP to develop ourselves as a nation. There will always be incapable/unlucky/unfortunate people & so a need for a large budget
The trick is separating the feckless wkers out from the mass of grasping hands.
How is it deniable? They don't need to be spending anywhere near as much on scum like that who will never work or contribute a penny. If they didn't then perhaps more people would work, therefore contributing more to the government, whilst reducing expenditure. The trick is separating the feckless w
kers out from the mass of grasping hands.Therefore how can you deny it isn't a cause of debt?
I'm a 29 year old single HGV1 driver.
I earn 7.20 an hour and generally take home circa £300ish quid a week, it's slow at the moment sadly there's not a lot on
But a job is a job.
So, that's roughly 1200 quid a month to spend.
By the time I pay my mortgage and other bills such as phone/broadband, gas, electric, council tax, water, I'm left with 120 quid a week, sometimes less to spend on diesel food and anything else I may need such as clothes or car parts. I usually manage a few pints with the lads on a Friday night or a Saturday afternoon. I get by, but only just.
Watching Skint last night really made me question why I bother. Sad on so many levels.
I earn 7.20 an hour and generally take home circa £300ish quid a week, it's slow at the moment sadly there's not a lot on
But a job is a job.
So, that's roughly 1200 quid a month to spend.
By the time I pay my mortgage and other bills such as phone/broadband, gas, electric, council tax, water, I'm left with 120 quid a week, sometimes less to spend on diesel food and anything else I may need such as clothes or car parts. I usually manage a few pints with the lads on a Friday night or a Saturday afternoon. I get by, but only just.
Watching Skint last night really made me question why I bother. Sad on so many levels.
There were two key moments in episode two.
The first was the fairly genuine distress the mother of five felt as she described running out of money to feed her breed when some of her benefits were reduced. Briefly, it seemed as though she may have appreciated how crap things were for her.
The second was the grin on her face when her mother brought up the contraception that she'd been supplied, and then not bothered with, after baby number three.
Telling.
The first was the fairly genuine distress the mother of five felt as she described running out of money to feed her breed when some of her benefits were reduced. Briefly, it seemed as though she may have appreciated how crap things were for her.
The second was the grin on her face when her mother brought up the contraception that she'd been supplied, and then not bothered with, after baby number three.
Telling.
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