Meanwhile, In Syria
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Art0ir

9,423 posts

196 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Link is incomplete Phil.

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

250 months

Wednesday 15th May 2013
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Lost the original.

Oh well.

Another time, but it's not a one way trip with the cannibalism.

Phil

Pesty

42,655 posts

282 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Executed as they waited on a pavement kerb: Terrifying assassination video of three men by 'Islamist rebels'

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Itv news now talking about many videos released this week showing war crimes by the FSA one showing 11 people murdered.

So glad William Hague is supporting them.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

197 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Pesty said:
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So glad William Hague is supporting them.
It's just that he does not like the other guys

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

250 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Have you seen the footage of the heli dropping what is purported to be a chemical gas projectile?

Phil

Pesty

42,655 posts

282 months

Thursday 16th May 2013
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Transmitter Man said:
Have you seen the footage of the heli dropping what is purported to be a chemical gas projectile?

Phil
No ill take your word for it. Does that excuse cold blooded murder?



Art0ir

9,423 posts

196 months

Friday 17th May 2013
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Transmitter Man said:
Have you seen the footage of the heli dropping what is purported to be a chemical gas projectile?

Phil
The difference if you took a side based in ideology right at the beginning Phil. Other called it what it is, a sectarian conflict that has been going on for over a millenia. Presumably you'll be calling for the Shia underclass in Bahrain to rise up and start bombing the police stations and court houses of the Sunni rulers?

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

250 months

Saturday 18th May 2013
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Personally I don't think you can compare the conflicts, both how exactly they started and how the respective governments reacted. Yes, you can pick up on activities since both started equally as bad as one another but it is the extreme level in which Assad insists the family business must continue at any cost.

School kids in Daraa writing grafitti and one of said children being shot dead to this a couple of days ago;

This bomb was dropped on it's people by it's own president;

https://twitter.com/TheMoeDee/status/3356326725818...

This could not and will not happen in Bahrain due to at least one fact in that the US Fleet are based there.

Phil

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

250 months

Saturday 18th May 2013
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Video footage of the before & after of the above image link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlEUgrXBH4k

Those watching don't sound happy.

Only Gods listening as the world switched off long ago.

Phil

Tartan Pixie

2,216 posts

173 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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EU helps ignite oil war between factions

What an absolute f'ing mess.

Aside from the genius military strategy of fighting the war by throwing millions of dollars at Jabhat al-Nusra, this paragraph caught my eye:

grauniad said:
Abu Albara, a Jabhat al-Nusra fighter who spoke to the Guardian by telephone from Deir Ezzor, said: "Now, we can say that most of the oil wells are in the hands of the rebels, only a single oil facility in Hasakah is still under the control of [Kurdish fighters]. There are two other oil wells close to the Iraqi borders in the desert. The Iraqi army have surrounded them with tanks but we do not know what they are doing with them."
So, Iraqi tanks have already crossed in to Syria and the Kurds control Al Hasakah, presumably also controlling the NE area that directly borders on to the Kurdish autonomous region of northern Iraq. Would it be cynical of me to suggest that whatever the outcome in Syria, the Kurds will be none too willing to give this area back?

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

250 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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Bibi has a problem;

"With the situation in Syria deteriorating, Israel has just woken up to a new “hasbara” or PR nightmare. Support the rebels and encourage Al Qaeda backed groups or back the regime and support genocide."

Plan 1:
Support the uprising
Condemn the slaughter
Call for intervention
Bomb the missiles for Hezbollah
Bomb any missiles and munitions thought to be a threat to Israel

Be accused of starting a war
Lose American support
And face possible retaliation from Russian made missiles

Plan2:
Support ASSad

Please much of the world ... but support genocide.

Phil

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

308 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Transmitter Man said:
Bibi has a problem;

"With the situation in Syria deteriorating, Israel has just woken up to a new “hasbara” or PR nightmare. Support the rebels and encourage Al Qaeda backed groups or back the regime and support genocide."

Plan 1:
Support the uprising
Condemn the slaughter
Call for intervention
Bomb the missiles for Hezbollah
Bomb any missiles and munitions thought to be a threat to Israel

Be accused of starting a war
Lose American support
And face possible retaliation from Russian made missiles

Plan2:
Support ASSad

Please much of the world ... but support genocide.

Phil
I think your assumption that Israel has just woken up to this is very much incorrect. None of this is exactly a major shock to those who know more about ME politics than just the basic reports we see on mainstream media here.

One pof the nice things though about ME politics is the general predictablity of Israel. They cannot morally or strategically allow Hesbollah to get more sophisticated weapons and will do what they ened to to try to prevent that. They simply have no choice so the consequences are not terribly important. However, they will I imagine have US support for doing that.

As for supporting Assad, no need. Nor is there a need to support the rebels. If they support one and the other wins they have a far more difficult position so the logical thing to do is hammer anything they can that will hobble Hesbollah interests and stay uninvolved wioth the rest as they have tended to with the whole Arab spring.

Even them calling for intervention, or making any show of support for eithr side would be extremely destabilising for the region so why would they do so until the outcome is much clearer.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

197 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Pappa Lurve said:
...Even them calling for intervention, or making any show of support for either side would be extremely destabilising for the region so why would they do so until the outcome is much clearer.
The rest of the world should take note. smile

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

308 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Mermaid said:
Pappa Lurve said:
...Even them calling for intervention, or making any show of support for either side would be extremely destabilising for the region so why would they do so until the outcome is much clearer.
The rest of the world should take note. smile
Perhaps, but the rest of the world is a little less concerned about rockets being chucked at them by whichever side wins! Realistically, whatever happens runs a strong risk of strenghtening Hezbollah and indeed Iran. That is the key concern in Israel and that is what their foreign policy, both publically stated and otherwise, will focus on I suspect.

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

250 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Realistically, whatever happens runs a strong risk of strenghtening Hezbollah and indeed Iran. That is the key concern in Israel and that is what their foreign policy, both publically stated and otherwise, will focus on I suspect.

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Not sure I'd agree with you there.

What happens to Hezbollahs lifeline from Iran, via Syria if Assad falls?

It accepted that Hezbollah are a heavily armed extension of Iran's influence in the region and when the mullah's in Qom tell Nasrallah to jump, he says how high.

Phil

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

308 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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Transmitter Man said:
Realistically, whatever happens runs a strong risk of strenghtening Hezbollah and indeed Iran. That is the key concern in Israel and that is what their foreign policy, both publically stated and otherwise, will focus on I suspect.
Not sure I'd agree with you there.

What happens to Hezbollahs lifeline from Iran, via Syria if Assad falls?

It accepted that Hezbollah are a heavily armed extension of Iran's influence in the region and when the mullah's in Qom tell Nasrallah to jump, he says how high.

Phil
If Assad falls, I think it could play in Hezbollah hands long term. A power vacuum with Iran ready to help fund Hezbollah perhaps....

The thing is, Assad provides land, routes for weapons people and funds etc and possibly more to Hezbollah. I know fairly little about buying and smuggling weapons in the terrorist world but I assume that Iran will find other ways if need be.

Interestingly, if Assad survives, Hezbollah now have a significant footprint in Syria and much in the same way that cost Lebannon dear so to will it cost Assad. Only true winner in this situation stands to be Iran which is exactly why Israel will, IMHO, focus all its energies in that direction.

Transmitter Man

4,253 posts

250 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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Pappa,

My point was that if you take out the current land route of Syria then it surely makes it far more difficult to supply Hezbollah.

If the conflict in Syria continues for a few more years, and it looks likely it will then Hezbollah are only going to lose more men making them weaker back home and therefore more vulnerable.

Look at the tension in the north of Lebanon right now with the Sunni flexing their muscle.

There is no other land route other than Syria.

By sea and they will have other players to contend with.

As for Israel I think they've learnt a lot since getting their arses kicked in 2006 and any future 'problem's' with Hezbollah will be sorted out primarily from the air. I think this is one reason why Israel are watching for any movement of those ground to air hardware.

Phil

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

308 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Transmitter Man said:
Pappa,

My point was that if you take out the current land route of Syria then it surely makes it far more difficult to supply Hezbollah.

If the conflict in Syria continues for a few more years, and it looks likely it will then Hezbollah are only going to lose more men making them weaker back home and therefore more vulnerable.

Look at the tension in the north of Lebanon right now with the Sunni flexing their muscle.

There is no other land route other than Syria.

By sea and they will have other players to contend with.

As for Israel I think they've learnt a lot since getting their arses kicked in 2006 and any future 'problem's' with Hezbollah will be sorted out primarily from the air. I think this is one reason why Israel are watching for any movement of those ground to air hardware.

Phil
I agree the land route thing would presumably make life more difficult but weapons seem to manage to get to those who want them so I am sure they have other ways. Could be wrong though, my knowledge of gun running is a tad limited :-P

The thing that makes Hez so interesting is that they never seem to lack for manpower. Even if they get even more involved in Syria, Hezbollah is at heart a very intelligantly organised semi-army and I would imagine their leaders and indeed those in Iraq would not want to see that force degraded too much as they are really the only ones who can do the kind of action they do against Israel.

The ground to air weapons are not just a threat if theyland up with Hezbollah although I think you are probably right that air power will be more and more important on Israels border with Lebannon. Israel learnt a very hard lesson in the 67 war when it initially struggled to deal with the Egyptian army as they had some very sophisticated anti aircraft weapons. Air power is absolutly vital to Israels military, both offensive and defensive. If they fall into the hands of Hezbollah and end up, as they almost certainly will, ensconced and fired from civilian areas then Israel faces a significant political and military issue. I do wonder if they will not use the Hezbollah involvement in Syria and the distraction that presumably creates to create a little trouble of their own.

Muntu

7,680 posts

225 months

Tuesday 28th May 2013
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Catweazle said:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/05/syrias-fighters-0