My mother in law is Scottish, you've got all sorts of apologising to do

Why say something so idiotic and inflammatory unless you are trying to score a reaction to make some cheap point?

All I've asked Giblet is why we should believe him. I haven't accused him of lying. He is free to come back and expand on his post. A good start for all Muslims would be for them to condemn jihad (holy war). Many Muslims condemn terrorism but support jihad. The catch is that much of what we consider terrorism a muslim will consider jihad.

So Giblet, will you condemn jihad?

Wouldn't you agree that it would be beneficial for Muslims to reject jihad?

You have implied he is lying.

When he says he is against Jihad you will just accuse him of lying again.

So what is the point of even entering into dialogue with ideologues such as yourself?

I'm no ideologue, I've just educated myself about Islam.

For an observant muslim to reject and condemn jihad is quite a big deal. If what Giblet is saying is true and subsequent generations of Muslims are drifting away from Islam then there is some hope for the future. I'd like to hear more muslims condemning the more unsavoury parts of their faith rather than simply parroting the (untrue) platitudes about Islam being the religion or peace...

Or you've indoctrinated yourself with the fanatical teachings of groups like the EDL.

Self radicalisation FTW!

Pathetic response.

Go and educate yourself about Islam.

I'm a second generation UK Muslim. Have a wide circle of Muslim and non Muslim friends. Not one of us are criminals, child rapists, wife beaters, covertly trying to make the UK Muslim by having a dozen babies or most importantly jihadists in any form.

As for taqiyya. I'd hazard a guess most of us aren't that technically understanding of the faith or that way inclined to lie to protect an interpretation of our faith that we don't even agree with.

The guys who did this and no doubt others like them do not speak for me or act on my behalf. I am not personally responsible for their actions and if I ever came across anyone I was worried about who I thought might be wanting to harm someone else my immediate and first call would be to the police. Every Muslim I know thinks this way. But for some others who perhaps think UK Muslims are one community with a greater insight into each others lives than any other community, who are fearful of what they are seeing and those that have an agenda to peddle then that is not nor ever will be enough. What more is it that some people want UK Muslims, like myself, to do?

I was only in Rochdale last month. I'm sure when the young lad has his funeral and there is a memorial service of some sort I like many other Muslims and non Muslims, indeed ordinary everyday folk, will turn out to pay our respects.

Now you can take your taqiyya bks and shove it. A poor lad, local to where I live and work has been brutally murdered. I am outraged at what has taken place. This is not some false claim to protect anything.

I'm pleased that in between some pretty hard to take points of view that there are good people on pistonheads who see this for what it is, a terrible crime, for which I and others like me had no power to stop, were not aware of, will never agree with and have no more responsibility of anymore than any other British citizen.

Just a shame the ARV showed so much restraint.