what would happen if I quickly put full lock on at motorway
what would happen if I quickly put full lock on at motorway
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Herman Toothrot

6,702 posts

224 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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In anything remotely sporting it'll just swing the back round and slide a bit and end up facing the on coming traffic. On trackdays you often have 90 degree sharp turns that surprisingly for the average motorist can often be taken at 70mph, bit to fast just results in a spin end up on the inside of the turn facing the wrong way.

Tartan Pixie

2,216 posts

173 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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DrDeAtH said:
In a manual however.... The clutch would grenade itself when you let it back out in first/reverse. How far the shrapnel will travel is anyones guess....
No no, before you even pull the clutch up it makes a massive crunchy noise and won't let you pull the gear stick fully in to the reverse position. You could probably make the gearbox explode if you pulled the gear lever really hard.

I know this because reverse on my current car is where 6th gear was on my previous car. headache


ARobinson

173 posts

175 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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If you're violent enough with the steering wheel in the dry, you can flip most cars over.

Jordan Rich

80 posts

168 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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You would be lucky to get it into reverse because its usually a straight cut gear, but i expect you could downshift to 1st from 5th at 70mph with a good enough shove. Then something on the car is going to be upset with you.
Why..?

Toltec

7,179 posts

249 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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ARobinson said:
If you're violent enough with the steering wheel in the dry, you can flip most cars over.
I am sure you could set up certain cars to do it and even then you might need to seesaw or at least get the rims to hit the tarmac. If it was easy why do they need to use a gas cannon to make a car roll for a film?


Farmboy UK

250 posts

209 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Toltec said:
ARobinson said:
If you're violent enough with the steering wheel in the dry, you can flip most cars over.
I am sure you could set up certain cars to do it and even then you might need to seesaw or at least get the rims to hit the tarmac. If it was easy why do they need to use a gas cannon to make a car roll for a film?
Because no one is driving the cars you see flip on a film. They are on a cable.

Also, it wouldn't be predictable enough

mdm1uk

1,344 posts

174 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Scandinavian flick first this should get a round of applause from the other motor way users.

ferrariF50lover

1,834 posts

252 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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I saw a programme once where some physicists (of some description) were posed the question of putting a car into reverse at 70mph. They came to the conclusion (using science and stuff) that the energy released would act like a bomb and blow the car in half with a great deal of violence. That said, I once dropped a Corsa into second at 90mph. I should point out that the move was deliberate on my part, since I needed the engine braking to assist the actual brakes in allowing me to avoid rear ending the bloke in front. It worked, and if it damaged the car, I certainly didn't notice.

As to the OP's question, I'm sure it depends upon the car, some may dig in and roll, some may even rip a tyre from the rim. Others would likely slide either understeer or oversteer (the latter would certainly be the case in a Focus). Too many variables really, but an interesting question. Maybe one of the childrens' science programmes (that thing with Richard Hammond, perhaps) will follow it up if you write in?

Simon.

bebee

4,724 posts

251 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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P I Staker said:
Burbleboy said:
Why don't you try it?
It's the only way to really know OP, make sure you video it. smile
yea, makes it easier for the coroners report.

stormy22

793 posts

163 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Surely the car, vehicle height, tyre width and speed would make all the different. OP, can you be more specific. Also depends if you turn left or right!

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

163 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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If you didn't crash into to the central resevation I reckon you'd spin the car.

Spitfire2

1,968 posts

212 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Farmboy UK said:
Because no one is driving the cars you see flip on a film. They are on a cable.
h
Pish.

moreflaps

746 posts

181 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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SMGB said:
Trust me on this.....
The car would answer the helm as best as it could and roll onto its bump stops and leave rubber from all 4 wheels.If you manage to catch it or it bounces of a barrier or another car the unwinding springs will send you sliding the other way. Usually you only flip a car if you hit a kerb, or in one spectacular case I heard of the edge of a traffic calming bollard.
Dont try this at home, or on the M1.
At full lock there would be a very real risk of the car rolling.
http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shoppers/Rollover/...

And the physics of the roll over is discussed here, its the main reason for electronic stability aids:
http://www.academia.edu/1294738/Road_Vehicle_Rollo...

Cheers



Edited by moreflaps on Friday 24th May 07:29

bennyboysvuk

3,494 posts

274 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Depends on the car and the throttle movement too. I'd imagine if you had a wide enough stretch of tarmac (maybe 300 yards wide) and you did this in an Integra Type R with a constant throttle then it would understeer a bit initially and then gain grip eventually and start turning hard. If you backed off the throttle at the same time, I assume you'd provoke a spin.

Was this sparked by a pub debate?

New POD

3,851 posts

176 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Your death would be guaranteed. Along with the deaths of lots of innocent people.

Are you that angry that you want to take unknown people with you when you end it all.

Actually your question reminds me of a momentary thought some 5 years ago, after a particularly bad day at work, where I'd had 3 months of ste from my bully boy boss.

For a moment I looked at the next motorway bridge and thought "well one option might be to steer left hard. That would teach them"

And then I thought "Nah that would upset my kids and my wife would be quite cross too" so I went home instead.

MoelyCrio

2,501 posts

208 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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My Suzuki Jimny with a 2 inch suspension lift would just fall over. It doesn't need motorway speeds either tbh.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

230 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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For our london members I imagine the answer is the car would move very slowly towards whatever direction they may inch forward in the next hour or so

SMGB

790 posts

165 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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moreflaps said:
SMGB said:
Trust me on this.....
The car would answer the helm as best as it could and roll onto its bump stops and leave rubber from all 4 wheels.If you manage to catch it or it bounces of a barrier or another car the unwinding springs will send you sliding the other way. Usually you only flip a car if you hit a kerb, or in one spectacular case I heard of the edge of a traffic calming bollard.
Dont try this at home, or on the M1.
At full lock there would be a very real risk of the car rolling.
http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shoppers/Rollover/...

And the physics of the roll over is discussed here, its the main reason for electronic stability aids:
http://www.academia.edu/1294738/Road_Vehicle_Rollo...

Cheers



Edited by moreflaps on Friday 24th May 07:29
Getting to full lock quickly would not be easy. The first big bite of steering input would use all the slip angle up and as the car rolled it then all depends on the chassis tuning whether you spin or go forwards or backwards into the barrier or off the edge od the hard shoulder. At this point you are a passenger. Getting control back after you did rhis would need more knowledge and skill than the average driver has, and need to be done really quickly. You would have to get the front wheels turning and with a linear slip angle variation along the contact patch again in less than a second I would expect. Then you would have to catch the car as the springs unwound. Flip or slide depends on the car, my thoughts were for a b segment eurobox, clearly s 4x4 would be more likely to flip. Cars like my MGs only kill you by going upside down if you slide into a kerb at speed, although its been done.

RacingBlue

1,455 posts

190 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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You'll crash.

HTH.

stormy22

793 posts

163 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Spitfire2 said:
Farmboy UK said:
Because no one is driving the cars you see flip on a film. They are on a cable.
h
Pish.
Cable??? Stunt men do drive these flipping cars for realism in films and they tend to use gas rams under the car or pipe ramps if flipping after hitting something.