Xbox One Discussion Thread
Xbox One Discussion Thread
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HungryHorace

860 posts

162 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Mattchew13 said:
There seems to be an emphasis with the XboxOne to move away from the term "games console" to "entertainment system" which is a bit worrying to me.

Having seen some of the footage too, I don't know about everyone else, but I don't think the visuals blow me away.

What about you guys?
It is a games console, they even said "its a games console for gamers made by gamers and the core has always and will always remain games". There is a video on XBL to watch, the behind the scenes one where this is categorically states. E3 is around the corner, this announcement was to show the new platform off as a preview to E3 to steal any of Sony's perceived thunder.

The new features are nothing really new, its just a maturity of the current interface. It already has TV on demand, films, social media but the system was designed before the current wave of social interaction existsd. The new platform capitalises on the "gaming" advances and now has a polished user interface to rival anything out there.

JagLover

46,436 posts

261 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Salgar said:
The xbox also has 4k out. The ability to play 4K video isn't hard, it's the ability to render a game in 4k in real time that is a different kettle of badgers.

There is no way we'll know until it happens. Also none of us are going to have 4K TVs for a while, there isn't even a cable in existence that could transfer 4k at over 24fps anyway.
4K Tvs are now here, yes it is going to take a year or so to bring the price down to the mass market level and perhaps longer for players to appear. But it is here and a new console with a maximum of 1080p resolution, with a what 7 year life?, is not good enough.

Sony said:
LAS VEGAS, April 7, 2013– Sony Electronics is announcing prices and availability for its new 4K Ultra High Definition TV sets unveiled at CES in January. The new XBR-55X900A (55-inch) and XBR-65X900A (65-inch) 4K Ultra HD LED TVs will cost $4,999 and $6,999 respectively and are available for order online and at retail beginning April 21, 2013.

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

224 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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randlemarcus said:
As an occasional gamer, I am bitterly disappointed that it will not have some form of DVR capability. Can see one appearing at some point, but the launch day console will be bought and Bayed.
I'm pretty sure I read that it will be able to do this from launch confused

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

257 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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The Black Flash said:
I'm pretty sure I read that it will be able to do this from launch confused
I read a few articles, watched the launch, and missed it completely.

I saw some platitudes about not doing it in the States because it would annoy the cable companies, and could only see HDMI in. Which is a bit rubbish, given my current telly provision is RF-in, and the last one was Freesat in. And there's no declared integration with things like Sky boxes.

Perhaps there's a market for tiny Chinese RF in > HDMI out boxes?

Bullett

11,157 posts

210 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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I seriously think that the Steambox is going to provide a serious threat to this generation of consoles.

1. It's a boxed product not a PC (yes I know it will actually be a PC) so it's in the same ball park as PS4/Xbone
2. Massive amount of content from day 1
3. Lower cost, games are cheaper on PC, there is more variety and they drop the prices quite quickly.
4. It looks like the 2nd hand market is gone, at least for the Xbone so this is no competition.
5. It's basically a PC so you can potentially get all the flexibility if you want/need it.




Oakey

27,973 posts

242 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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JagLover said:
Salgar said:
The xbox also has 4k out. The ability to play 4K video isn't hard, it's the ability to render a game in 4k in real time that is a different kettle of badgers.

There is no way we'll know until it happens. Also none of us are going to have 4K TVs for a while, there isn't even a cable in existence that could transfer 4k at over 24fps anyway.
4K Tvs are now here, yes it is going to take a year or so to bring the price down to the mass market level and perhaps longer for players to appear. But it is here and a new console with a maximum of 1080p resolution, with a what 7 year life?, is not good enough.

Sony said:
LAS VEGAS, April 7, 2013– Sony Electronics is announcing prices and availability for its new 4K Ultra High Definition TV sets unveiled at CES in January. The new XBR-55X900A (55-inch) and XBR-65X900A (65-inch) 4K Ultra HD LED TVs will cost $4,999 and $6,999 respectively and are available for order online and at retail beginning April 21, 2013.
Come off it, do you honestly think uptake of 4k is going to realistically happen? Do you really see people rushing out to buy 4k TV's? What format is the content going to be delivered on for a start?

HungryHorace

860 posts

162 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Bullett said:
I seriously think that the Steambox is going to provide a serious threat to this generation of consoles.

1. It's a boxed product not a PC (yes I know it will actually be a PC) so it's in the same ball park as PS4/Xbone
2. Massive amount of content from day 1
3. Lower cost, games are cheaper on PC, there is more variety and they drop the prices quite quickly.
4. It looks like the 2nd hand market is gone, at least for the Xbone so this is no competition.
5. It's basically a PC so you can potentially get all the flexibility if you want/need it.
And dead in the water a year down the line when developers move to DX28 and no new content is available. Or do we simply rip out the inards and upgrade? Wait, tahts just a PC isn't it. Or will they limit new game development to what the box can cope with in which case its a console and I think MS have a better idea on how to do things.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

241 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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They do and they don't. Yes, they've got experience in consoles over Valve (who have said that they probably won't deliver a console, more an OS), but the games for windows live was nothing more than an abortion.

Bullett

11,157 posts

210 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder over PC's.

My gaming machine is now 7 years old and I am only just considering changing it. It still plays recent titles ok, not with all the bells and whistles but at an acceptable framerate. Yes, it's a bit slow to load sometimes but I have not had to spend more time fiddling with it than I have my PS3 (of which I've owned two in the same timescale). It auto updates most of its drivers and software automatically (like a console).

Any AAA cross platform game is going to still be developed for 1080p HD as its primary resolution. The Steambox will be able to push those pixels around day one (like the PS4 and Xbone). Ok so after a few years you won't be able to switch on all the shinies like a full sized PC but neither will the consoles.

Finally, look at the size of the market place. A little research puts but xbox and steam active users around 50million active accounts. Steam has significant market share to ensure that they get a good deal for their users. You simply don't need a beast of a PC to compete anymore. The whole constant fettling thing ended years ago (unless you want to) and with something like this a locked down environment would be even more user friendly.




Oakey

27,973 posts

242 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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anonymous said:
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I'm pretty sure the bitrate of existing HD TV streams has been hammered, I don't think they look as sharp as they did at launch that's for sure. If we can't even get decent quality 1080p content now, some eight years or so since HD became a thing then I doubt 4k is going to be an issue for at least ten years.

Oakey

27,973 posts

242 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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WeirdNeville said:
ho me?
I think he means Horace

Oakey

27,973 posts

242 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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I think I read the Steambox would be upgradeable to an extent? It'll be interesting to see what they do as Steams Big Picture mode is pretty funky

Oakey

27,973 posts

242 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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I have to admit, this may be the first console generation I skip entirely. I was firmly in the MS camp but the recent announcements on used games and consoles having to check in regularly along with the Kinect watching you constantly, it's put me off a little and I don't think Sony are going to be any different (after all, they patented that RFID tag in discs).

I guess we'll see what E3 brings.

rufusruffcutt

1,550 posts

231 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Oakey said:
What format is the content going to be delivered on for a start?
Not quite 4k but its already on sale...
http://www.amazon.com/Ghostbusters-Mastered-Single...

..however proper 4K on blu-ray is 12 months away at least:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/dont-exp...

Oakey

27,973 posts

242 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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rufusruffcutt said:
Not quite 4k but its already on sale...
http://www.amazon.com/Ghostbusters-Mastered-Single...

..however proper 4K on blu-ray is 12 months away at least:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/dont-exp...
That's not actually proper 4k though, is it? And after whatever percentage of people have replaced their DVD collection with Blu-Rays, they aren't going to want to do that again for 4k content!

And it's going to be an age before we start to see 4k content broadcast and the infrastructure isn't there to stream it (VirginMedia for example have just introduced even more draconian STM on all their tiers).

I just don't think it's something to worry about right now. Why bother including something that's going to be irrelevant for some time but likely to push the price of the console up?

Bullett

11,157 posts

210 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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I agree on the PC geeks, but then you get fanboys (sorry fanbois) supporting every platform regardless and often based on misconceptions, out of date info and bloody mindedness. And I think having the latest PC is in itself a hobby if you want it to be. Most of the time it's as easy to play as having a console (on steam you don't even need to find the disc)

I've owned both a 360 and a PS3, a PS2 and an original xbox, PS1, Megadrive, Wii a good selection. The only reason I went PS3 over 360 was the bluray and the fact I marginally prefer the exclusives - GT5, Uncharted over Forza/Halo/GoW.

I'm not rushing out to buy the next gen day1 like before, they don't offer enough over what I already have. I think I'm going to watch the steambox situation and upgrade my office PC.

Of course, what NVidia are doing with regard to local streaming to your TV Project Shield is pretty interesting and would mean the need for a box under each telly becomes a redundant concept.

poprock

1,987 posts

227 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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I think the trick with Xbox One will be to hold off purchasing until the UK content partnerships get sorted out. A media hub is no use without media. Once you find out that you can hook the Sky box through it and watch F1 with data overlays from your favourite team etc etc … then maybe it gets bloody interesting.

JagLover

46,436 posts

261 months

Saturday 25th May 2013
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Oakey said:
Come off it, do you honestly think uptake of 4k is going to realistically happen? Do you really see people rushing out to buy 4k TV's? What format is the content going to be delivered on for a start?
I think it will happen.

I didn't care about 3D TV, and no-one I knew did either (I've got one though since every TV now seems to include it as standard, never used the feature once)

I do care a great deal about image quality, it won't be this year, and it may not even be the next, but I will buy a 50" 4K TV at some point. Microsoft therefore are bringing out a console that is nearly obsolete before it even goes on sale.

The equivalent last time would be if the XBOX 360 only had a resolution of 720P, because at that stage there weren't many 1080P TVs and content at that resolution was in its infancy.

These consoles are supposed to have a 7 year life or more.


deckster

9,631 posts

281 months

Saturday 25th May 2013
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poprock said:
I think the trick with Xbox One will be to hold off purchasing until the UK content partnerships get sorted out. A media hub is no use without media. Once you find out that you can hook the Sky box through it and watch F1 with data overlays from your favourite team etc etc … then maybe it gets bloody interesting.
This, times a million. No piece of consumer electronics has ever sold on hardware specs (NeoGeo, I'm looking at you) so all this talk about 4k vs 1080p and whether a Steambox will be upgradeable is entirely irrelevant.

People buy content, not hardware. The system with the best games, with the most interesting and innovative content, the most seamless delivery system and the best user community will win. It's as simple as that.

davepoth

29,395 posts

225 months

Saturday 25th May 2013
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All of the movie studios want 4k. The RED camera which is more or less the industry standard for movie filming has a native resolution of...4k. Every film produced digitally in the last 5 years or more has been filmed at 4k so the cost to make that content available in 4k is essentially putting it on a server.

Delivery is going to be online, and that's going to be the thing. I suspect that Virgin might be the first people to offer 4k movies in the UK, delivered through a new and special V++ box or something.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that both Sony and Microsoft got burnt by the long cycle for the current gen consoles. The use of commodity hardware this time round makes me think that they've already got a roadmap for the next next consoles in place.