Estate agent won't let us see a house
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Only offer what you are comfortable paying. No more. There wil be another equally perfect property at some point. Honest.
In mitigation alongside your offer please ensure you are very clear about your buying position and explain your financial situation as well as you are prepared to - and make it known you could supply official confirmation if required (all assuming you do actually have a documented confirmed financial foundation upon which to base an offer - you'd be surprised how many potential buyers don't and then get disappointed and learn to "hate estate agents" or "the English process" when perhaps they could have made their own life easier if only they'd listened to professional advice).
If you want any more help just ask.
Footnote to the above - be very careful which advice from internetists to heed. I'm regularly stunned by what I read in this forum from all knowing well built directors.
In mitigation alongside your offer please ensure you are very clear about your buying position and explain your financial situation as well as you are prepared to - and make it known you could supply official confirmation if required (all assuming you do actually have a documented confirmed financial foundation upon which to base an offer - you'd be surprised how many potential buyers don't and then get disappointed and learn to "hate estate agents" or "the English process" when perhaps they could have made their own life easier if only they'd listened to professional advice).
If you want any more help just ask.
Footnote to the above - be very careful which advice from internetists to heed. I'm regularly stunned by what I read in this forum from all knowing well built directors.
skilly1 said:
OK - its not next to a school, its 500m away and not on the same street !
They now have 4 buyers offering the asking price and it is going to sealed bids, deadline 12pm tomorrow. Apparently one is a cash buyer but no proof has been given.
Well in your shoes I would stick to the asking price. They now have 4 buyers offering the asking price and it is going to sealed bids, deadline 12pm tomorrow. Apparently one is a cash buyer but no proof has been given.
Unfortunately I've experienced the less honest Estate Agents in my time, and I would not be surprised if there are no other offers at all. I've had the "3 other people have offered more" approach, so I told them that was fine that was my offer and I'd put an offer in on another house so it was going to be whoever came back to me first. After about 3 days they got back to me to accept (goodness knows where those other three buyers vanished to but there we go), but the other house had got back to me and accepted my offer. So I went with them.
As others have said, if it is meant to be it will be, if not, a better house will come along.
Frankly, I would be disinclined to do business with people who act the way they have as well.
Jasandjules said:
skilly1 said:
OK - its not next to a school, its 500m away and not on the same street !
They now have 4 buyers offering the asking price and it is going to sealed bids, deadline 12pm tomorrow. Apparently one is a cash buyer but no proof has been given.
Well in your shoes I would stick to the asking price. They now have 4 buyers offering the asking price and it is going to sealed bids, deadline 12pm tomorrow. Apparently one is a cash buyer but no proof has been given.
Unfortunately I've experienced the less honest Estate Agents in my time, and I would not be surprised if there are no other offers at all. I've had the "3 other people have offered more" approach, so I told them that was fine that was my offer and I'd put an offer in on another house so it was going to be whoever came back to me first. After about 3 days they got back to me to accept (goodness knows where those other three buyers vanished to but there we go), but the other house had got back to me and accepted my offer. So I went with them.
As others have said, if it is meant to be it will be, if not, a better house will come along.
Frankly, I would be disinclined to do business with people who act the way they have as well.
A good few years back, we saw a "perfect" house, which had been on the market for around nine months with average interest, but not a single offer. Viewed it twice, and prepared an offer. (But didn't submit the offer)
We then viewed a "new to market" house in the same area (but a more desirable street if that makes sense) which was being marketed at £20k more than the property we first viewed.
After viewing the second house, we made a cheeky offer on it, £25k below the asking price.
This was rejected.
Second offer was £20k below asking price.
Rejected.
Third (and final offer) was £17.5k below asking price (and we would have been stretched at that)
Rejected, but were told that another £2.5k would secure it.
We decided to abandon the "more desireable" street, and go back to the "perfect" house.
We viewed it a third time - just to be sure... and then submitted our offer. It was £8k below a £295k asking price.
To our surprise, in the week we had been negotiating on property number two, property number one had "suddenly become popular" and there were other offers.
We were told that we would need to offer the asking price to stand a chance..... So we did.
We were then told that other potential buyers were prepared to go OVER the asking price, and it was down to best and final offer via sealed bids.
We decided that we wanted it - so we bid £305,656 via a sealed bid.
We won the sealed bid auction (by £1,655 apparantly), and started the ball rolling on purchasing.
As the weeks/months progressed, I had doubts about the person buying our house... and those doubts were substantiated when our buyer pulled out (they said that there were some slipped tiles on the roof - and for that reason, they would not progress.
We re-marketed our house immediately, but the property market had literally begun to crash in the recent weeks - and there was little chance of finding a buyer without dropping our price to a point where we couldn't have proceeded with our proposed purchase.
Ah well... and all that.
Anyway - a few months after this, I heard through a mutual friend of someone who worked at the estate agency that the two other "buyers" which forced the property to sealed bids were fabricated purely because the agent believed that we were financially better off than we were (viewing a house that was a good £30k over our realistic budget had convinced the agent we could pay more!)
By a bizarre turn of events, we bumped into the original vendors a few years later at a social function - who confirmed the story. As far as they were aware, our "Sealed bid" offer was the only offer they had ever recieved... and they knew nothing of the sealed bid process.
Estate agents?
Bloody crooks if you ask me!
Jasandjules said:
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Frankly, I would be disinclined to do business with people who act the way they have as well.
Can you be very specific in answering what has been done in the OP's circumstances with this property that would lead you to believe that anyone has done anything deserving of this approach? The worst I can see is the agent not communicating with the OP that it might take some time to get back to him/them with a scheduled initial viewing appointment (ie he didn't appreciate making several effectively unanswered phone calls).Frankly, I would be disinclined to do business with people who act the way they have as well.
OP: What is your selling position as that may/may not play to your advantage.
Regardless, you need to take the emotions out of this. Its a pile of bricks that are arranged in an order that you like. There will be other piles of bricks that will be arranged in an equally agreeable fashion in the future.
Explaining that to the other half might be an uphill battle though...
Regardless, you need to take the emotions out of this. Its a pile of bricks that are arranged in an order that you like. There will be other piles of bricks that will be arranged in an equally agreeable fashion in the future.
Explaining that to the other half might be an uphill battle though...
scenario8 said:
Can you be very specific in answering what has been done in the OP's circumstances with this property that would lead you to believe that anyone has done anything deserving of this approach? The worst I can see is the agent not communicating with the OP that it might take some time to get back to him/them with a scheduled initial viewing appointment (ie he didn't appreciate making several effectively unanswered phone calls).
When an offer is made for the asking price, that is it to me. That is what the seller wanted and that is what is offered, so the house can be immediately withdrawn from the market.The only reason a seller would want to keep the house on the market is to attempt to get a bidding war going. I am not interested in that kind of person, because up to exchange I would expect them to "find another buyer" etc thereby needing a higher price.
And before you ask, yes I have withdrawn my property from sale the minute someone put in an offer for the asking price of my house, even when I had other viewings lined up that weekend. In fact I've done this a few times, once I did it and the buyer withdrew their offer about a week later, just after the weekend in fact. However to me a deal is a deal.
The house we're living in went to sealed bids after a lot of interest. We offered the asking price but the vendor (Church Diocese) went with a higher bidder after they said they were a cash buyer etc. After 2 months we got a call from the EA - the "cash" buyer had pulled out & would we still be interested etc etc. We did the deal very quickly indeed!
OP - One thing about old people & houses - they are lovely people (mostly), but don't like fuss & mess. Expect crappy plumbing, dangerous electrics, damp not properly dealt with etc.
OP - One thing about old people & houses - they are lovely people (mostly), but don't like fuss & mess. Expect crappy plumbing, dangerous electrics, damp not properly dealt with etc.
Jasandjules said:
scenario8 said:
Can you be very specific in answering what has been done in the OP's circumstances with this property that would lead you to believe that anyone has done anything deserving of this approach? The worst I can see is the agent not communicating with the OP that it might take some time to get back to him/them with a scheduled initial viewing appointment (ie he didn't appreciate making several effectively unanswered phone calls).
When an offer is made for the asking price, that is it to me. That is what the seller wanted and that is what is offered, so the house can be immediately withdrawn from the market.The only reason a seller would want to keep the house on the market is to attempt to get a bidding war going. I am not interested in that kind of person, because up to exchange I would expect them to "find another buyer" etc thereby needing a higher price.
And before you ask, yes I have withdrawn my property from sale the minute someone put in an offer for the asking price of my house, even when I had other viewings lined up that weekend. In fact I've done this a few times, once I did it and the buyer withdrew their offer about a week later, just after the weekend in fact. However to me a deal is a deal.
I'm all for playing fair and keeping my integrity intact; I think it's crazy to fail to maximize the return though.
Jasandjules said:
scenario8 said:
Can you be very specific in answering what has been done in the OP's circumstances with this property that would lead you to believe that anyone has done anything deserving of this approach? The worst I can see is the agent not communicating with the OP that it might take some time to get back to him/them with a scheduled initial viewing appointment (ie he didn't appreciate making several effectively unanswered phone calls).
When an offer is made for the asking price, that is it to me. That is what the seller wanted and that is what is offered, so the house can be immediately withdrawn from the market.The only reason a seller would want to keep the house on the market is to attempt to get a bidding war going. I am not interested in that kind of person, because up to exchange I would expect them to "find another buyer" etc thereby needing a higher price.
And before you ask, yes I have withdrawn my property from sale the minute someone put in an offer for the asking price of my house, even when I had other viewings lined up that weekend. In fact I've done this a few times, once I did it and the buyer withdrew their offer about a week later, just after the weekend in fact. However to me a deal is a deal.
Taking the house of the market is the one thing the vendor can do to give the buyer confidence that they will act in a 'straight up' way.
Of course, if you are offering 10% below asking price and asking for the house to be taken off the market, then the vendor can either agree if they are happy with the price, or, just simply be honest and say that they want more, and will leave the house on the market until exchange of contracts.
The reason I mentioned that taking the house off the market if you offer full asking price is because this is exactly what I had done myself.
I viewed with the vendor at 6pm in the evening, saw it was perfect, thought it was very fairly priced and asked him if I formally offered full asking price the next morning, would he take it off the market. He agreed, we shook hands, and my offer was made and accepted by 9.30am, and the house was off the market.
If I were asking full asking price, was in a good position to buy, I asked the house to be taken off the market and this was refused, I would be asking myself what kind of agent/vendor I was dealing with, as this is tantamount to telling me that if a better offer comes along I will be gazumped.
Negotiation is a two-way street, and if you are offering exactly what the other party wants, you should expect some reassurance for your own position.
Justin, normally I would agree with you but, in this case, the issue is that there were viewings and offers already lining up so it would be foolish of the seller to accept and take the property off the market.
In a 'normal' buying situation I would expect it too, not in this case though.
Let's also not forget, where house selling in concerned there appear to be no rules
In a 'normal' buying situation I would expect it too, not in this case though.
Let's also not forget, where house selling in concerned there appear to be no rules

Jasandjules said:
scenario8 said:
Can you be very specific in answering what has been done in the OP's circumstances with this property that would lead you to believe that anyone has done anything deserving of this approach? The worst I can see is the agent not communicating with the OP that it might take some time to get back to him/them with a scheduled initial viewing appointment (ie he didn't appreciate making several effectively unanswered phone calls).
When an offer is made for the asking price, that is it to me. That is what the seller wanted and that is what is offered, so the house can be immediately withdrawn from the market.The only reason a seller would want to keep the house on the market is to attempt to get a bidding war going. I am not interested in that kind of person, because up to exchange I would expect them to "find another buyer" etc thereby needing a higher price.
And before you ask, yes I have withdrawn my property from sale the minute someone put in an offer for the asking price of my house, even when I had other viewings lined up that weekend. In fact I've done this a few times, once I did it and the buyer withdrew their offer about a week later, just after the weekend in fact. However to me a deal is a deal.
ks, as unlike a car or similar you don't pay immediately after offering, I could sell to Bob for asking price and after his surveys get £10k less or I could sell to Ted for £10k less but because he is an honest cash buyer he pays straight up. Or the buyer could find their true dream house and start negotiations on that all leaving you in the lurch. Leaving it on the Market unless specifically requested not to helps focus people's minds.garyhun said:
Justin, normally I would agree with you but, in this case, the issue is that there were viewings and offers already lining up so it would be foolish of the seller to accept and take the property off the market.
In a 'normal' buying situation I would expect it too, not in this case though.
Let's also not forget, where house selling in concerned there appear to be no rules
From what the OP said, there were merely further viewings.In a 'normal' buying situation I would expect it too, not in this case though.
Let's also not forget, where house selling in concerned there appear to be no rules

If the agent receives an offer with conditions attached they are duty bound to call the vendor and ask them. An offer made for full asking price (especially with proof of mortgage offer/funds) as long as it is accepted without anyone else viewing I would argue would be a good reason to accept - I probably wouldn't take the risk of allowing more people around in the situation.
The trouble is exactly what you've said in your last line - there are no rules. Further than that, 'Average Joe' is not usually an experienced negotiator and it may very well be his first or second house purchase. The experienced agent, or vendor simply plays the game to the rules - that being there is none.
northwest monkey said:
The house we're living in went to sealed bids after a lot of interest. We offered the asking price but the vendor (Church Diocese) went with a higher bidder after they said they were a cash buyer etc. After 2 months we got a call from the EA - the "cash" buyer had pulled out & would we still be interested etc etc. We did the deal very quickly indeed!
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there's a perceived / actual requirement for organisational sellers to achieve the 'best' return when disposing of assets <snip>.
JustinP1 said:
The trouble is exactly what you've said in your last line - there are no rules. Further than that, 'Average Joe' is not usually an experienced negotiator and it may very well be his first or second house purchase. The experienced agent, or vendor simply plays the game to the rules - that being there is none.
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