Works Rally Escorts
Discussion
aeropilot said:
Never noticed the Ford oval grille on the advert.
I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
My last Mk 2 i had also had the ford oval badge in the grill, maybe there latter day versions ?I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
fttm canada said:
No full Grp4 , with the exception of Peter Lloyd who'd always rev the tits off his cars lol , it's the way to do it . Holding a gear to 8500+ you won't be making as much speed as being at 6 in a higher gear . A few mates were dubious too until they tried it and saw the evidence via times and also videos of before and after . This is running 5.1 btw
So, your saying, with a full house BD where all of them make there peak power between 8 and 9, only rev them to 6, and your go quicker? I don't think so. If your suggesting change up at peak torque, i kind of see your point, buts its a BD we are talking about, there not exactly known for plenty of torque, hence they make great engines for the loose. As 520 torques says, only reason to change up that low would be traction limited, but its still to low IMO.
BTW, DKP had a 5.1, TBH it could of done with a 5.3. Peak power quoted at 255 was at 9250, peak torque, quoted at 170 was at 7000.
Edited by Mark A S on Wednesday 14th February 20:43
aeropilot said:
Dapster said:
All these have "F-O-R-D" on the grill, rather than the blue oval which the Rothmans car has!
Never noticed the Ford oval grille on the advert.I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
Mark A S said:
So, your saying, with a full house BD where all of them make there peak power between 8 and 9, only rev them to 6, and your go quicker? I don't think so. If your suggesting change up at peak torque, i kind of see your point, buts its a BD we are talking about, there not exactly known for plenty of torque, hence they make great engines for the loose.
As 520 torques says, only reason to change up that low would be traction limited, but its still to low IMO.
It is too low for anyone with throttle control where you control the slip rate with partial throttle whilst in the working power band.As 520 torques says, only reason to change up that low would be traction limited, but its still to low IMO.
If you are a mash the pedal or be fully off merchant, then limiting revs to limit power would help you in low traction zones, but that's not something anyone decent will do.
Mark A S said:
aeropilot said:
Never noticed the Ford oval grille on the advert.
I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
My last Mk 2 i had also had the ford oval badge in the grill, maybe there latter day versions ?I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
Seems odd that Ford would change a part so late in production though. Can't believe I've never noticed this difference before, but then.....I'm not really a Mk.2 expert by any stretch..
gt40steve said:
Late 1977 introduced the Ford oval badging.
Indeed, at the same time the Mark II Granada was launched. The Taunus/Cortina IV was the first to use the oval front and back in late 1976, the original Fiesta shortly after. The Capri II and Mark 1 Transit were the last to use F O R D when they were discontinued in mid 1978.
Dapster said:
Ranger 6 said:
...not even a front number plate - a stick on one etc, etc.
It had a real number plate when Ari Vatenen won the '79 Welsh in Eaton Yale livery
Then it was stuck on the bonnet when Patrick Snijers took it to the Ypres '79
Stuck on number plate on this example which Historic Motorsports recommissioned - they claim "ex works"
https://www.historicmotorsport.net/projects/
All these have "F-O-R-D" on the grill, rather than the blue oval which the Rothmans car has!
The book does say it was liveried up as rothmans in it's last incarnation.
My claim to fame is that I was a marshal at Mikkola's Bend in Dalby Forest on the 1969 RAC Rally when it got its name . I liberated the (cheap plastic ) tax disc holder from the crash . In the unlikely event anyone reading this owns the twin cam in question , they can reunite the tax disc with the car
AceRockatansky said:
So if the car was exported, the plate could have been reissued, which would make the motorcraft car a bit of a fake, but then what was ever the true original. I suppose you'd be gutted if the vin was traced back to a popular plus. But then equally gutted having the right vin but unable to display the correct plate.
The book does say it was liveried up as rothmans in it's last incarnation.
On the original log book for DKP it said Escort Popular, 1998cc The book does say it was liveried up as rothmans in it's last incarnation.
I queried this when we purchased the car in early 83 from MCD to be told that the Escort was a popular car 
Mark A S said:
AceRockatansky said:
So if the car was exported, the plate could have been reissued, which would make the motorcraft car a bit of a fake, but then what was ever the true original. I suppose you'd be gutted if the vin was traced back to a popular plus. But then equally gutted having the right vin but unable to display the correct plate.
The book does say it was liveried up as rothmans in it's last incarnation.
On the original log book for DKP it said Escort Popular, 1998cc The book does say it was liveried up as rothmans in it's last incarnation.
I queried this when we purchased the car in early 83 from MCD to be told that the Escort was a popular car Also, from my understanding, all the Boreham built works cars had BBAT Halewood VIN prefix's....?
aeropilot said:
AceRockatansky said:
Well the original car is really GVX 489T anyway, which still exists (sort of) and was campaigned by Billy Coleman for many years after being sold by Ford.Mark A S said:
aeropilot said:
Never noticed the Ford oval grille on the advert.
I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
My last Mk 2 i had also had the ford oval badge in the grill, maybe there latter day versions ?I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
It needed a new front bumper and grill which came with the blue oval badge.
Bobupndown said:
Mark A S said:
aeropilot said:
Never noticed the Ford oval grille on the advert.
I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
My last Mk 2 i had also had the ford oval badge in the grill, maybe there latter day versions ?I don't recall ever seeing a Mk.2 with a front grille like that....?
I thought the only grille's for flat front Mk.2's were the ones with the F-O-R-D script.
It needed a new front bumper and grill which came with the blue oval badge.
aeropilot said:
The Chequered Flag rally Stratos was actually put on a dyno in 1982 during a test by Autocar, and it made 255hp at 7800rpm.
I don't believe Lancia ever got the 24v version of the V6 homologated for the Stratos before they killed it of in favour of the Fiat 131, as I believe, the 24v versions were comfortably in the 290-300hp power range, which would have not only made the swb Stratos even more twitchy to drive, but would have it a super quick Grp.4 tarmac car in its day.
The works used the 24v engine for the 1975, 1976 and 1977 seasons. (early and late Alitalia colours)I don't believe Lancia ever got the 24v version of the V6 homologated for the Stratos before they killed it of in favour of the Fiat 131, as I believe, the 24v versions were comfortably in the 290-300hp power range, which would have not only made the swb Stratos even more twitchy to drive, but would have it a super quick Grp.4 tarmac car in its day.
They had to revert to the 12v engine for the 1978 season (Pirelli colours)
The Chequered Flag only had 12v engines. Both CF cars were ex 1975 works cars. Obviously less the 24v engine.
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