RE: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N | UK Review
Discussion
Olivera said:
SDK said:
People had the same reaction with the fake sounds your Golf makes too 
There's obviously some enhanced sound when inside the vehicle, but the external exhaust noise is quite real.The Ioniq 5 N on the other hand has completely fake internal noise, and completely fake external noise with the embarrassment of speakers (extra weight/cost) to pump out sounds to passers by.
D4rez said:
The bit you hear for most of the time is mostly fake. Even the flat farty sound it makes externally has been “designed”, tuned with different muffler shapes and lengths to make a slightly less drab sound.
ICE sounds are by the by. We can at least agree that EV sounds are even more unnecessary and even more artificial. External speakers in particular are an embarrassment. The discussion about unnecessary additions is interesting I think.
Nobody needs 12 cylinders.
Ultimately, most of what we have in interesting cars is unnecessary, save to make them more interesting and enhance the stimulation of our senses.
Extra cylinders are added to increase power and smoothness, enhance the noise and make us feel more stimulated.
Why is that any different adding speakers, sound and extra motors?
Why is one deemed to be genuine and the other fake?
Is it because one is a by-product and the other manufactured?
Clearly, being on Pistonheads and asking questions like that is going to attract some choice comments.
I would say, however, that it essentially stems from tribalism and not stepping outside the comfort zone of what is accepted amongst the tribe.
Basically, it's a state of mind.
Nobody needs 12 cylinders.
Ultimately, most of what we have in interesting cars is unnecessary, save to make them more interesting and enhance the stimulation of our senses.
Extra cylinders are added to increase power and smoothness, enhance the noise and make us feel more stimulated.
Why is that any different adding speakers, sound and extra motors?
Why is one deemed to be genuine and the other fake?
Is it because one is a by-product and the other manufactured?
Clearly, being on Pistonheads and asking questions like that is going to attract some choice comments.
I would say, however, that it essentially stems from tribalism and not stepping outside the comfort zone of what is accepted amongst the tribe.
Basically, it's a state of mind.
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd imagine that most folk will turn it off, because surely the only reason that you're buying electric in the first place is because you love quietness, and you dislike engine/exhaust noise I reckon.
I'd argue that, as a new comer to EV's, the first issue I immediately noticed compared to an ICE is speed awareness, or lack of it. For me, the silence meant that the safety systems (again, you can turn them off) were beeping quite a lot early on in my test drive of the 5N as without any sound as a point of reference, it's hard to judge between say 32 (speed camera happy) and 35mph (speed camera sad) solely by sight for example (this is for me of course, others may judge better).The noise gives me an easily recognised point of reference without needing to stare at the speedometer/HUD constantly to ensure I'm not over the limit, and in this thing, you get into silly speeds very quickly and effortlessly, so having that to rely on as an additional source of information was really handy in making sure I wasn't speeding around.
Secondly, I imagine that anything track led would intensify this disjoint of speed awareness, where you're just caning along and whatever MPH and it more or less sounds the same between 30 mph and 130 mph. Obviously your eyes can tell the difference to that extreme, but an extra sensory input would be helpful I think people can generally agree? Mixed with the faked gearing, this gives yet another sensory reference point for faster driving/track days, as you then learn that you need to be in X gear for X corner etc, rather than just blasting through everything in abject silence.
Maybe it's just me, but as someone who has barely touched an EV (Nissan Leaf for 20 odd minutes and a 1.5hr test drive in the 5N), and someone solely used to an ICE vehicle, the total silence would absolutely be a license liability early on I think, so the sounds/gears I thought were very helpful in getting used to the vehicle.
I eventually decided that I prefer the fake gears in the course of the test drive, even if it is a bit slower, as you're hardly lacking for pace in the 5N anyway so the gears reducing that a little, in my mind, is only a good thing. Plus you're not just driving it like some point and squirt machine, it gets you a little more involved in the actual drive. Maybe once I get one I'll change my mind over time of ownership, but early on, I liked the sounds and gears.
I don't know, maybe I'm unique in my situation but I've said elsewhere I wanted a Jekyll and Hyde car for myself and my partner; something bigger than my Fiesta ST (ok... this is quite a bit bigger lol) that has changeable characteristics for different drivers, but with performance and something I like the look of and the 5N ticks every single box in a massive way.
A huge bonus is that I can get it through salary sacrifice, so that's even better - one single payment (reduction) per month covers everything besides charging, and I get a vehicle that I'm really excited about and one that I can actually realistically own. Personally I don't really 'lust' after things completely outside of reality for me, so true vehicle exotica is out of my mind. But the 5N is absolutely in the realms of possibility for me and provides way more than I could really want in a car and then some.
And in the end, if you don't like any of it, just turn it off. It all boils down to people liking different things, but at least there's options to engage in the vehicles' systems or not, rather than just not having the option in the first place.
That reads rantier than I meant it
cerb4.5lee said:
Tindersticks said:
And can be turned off should you choose. Buyer decides.
I'd imagine that most folk will turn it off, because surely the only reason that you're buying electric in the first place is because you love quietness, and you dislike engine/exhaust noise I reckon. I spent the day tooling about in my track car, it’s so loud that you have to wear earplugs to be able to drive it for more than 5 minutes, and even then it’s overwhelming. I love the sensory overload that it gives me.
But I like my EV quiet because it fulfils a different role. Not better, not worse, different.
It’s possible to like both you know?
Sometimes I like Bach, sometimes AC/DC!
Sebbak said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd imagine that most folk will turn it off, because surely the only reason that you're buying electric in the first place is because you love quietness, and you dislike engine/exhaust noise I reckon.
I'd argue that, as a new comer to EV's, the first issue I immediately noticed compared to an ICE is speed awareness, or lack of it. For me, the silence meant that the safety systems (again, you can turn them off) were beeping quite a lot early on in my test drive of the 5N as without any sound as a point of reference, it's hard to judge between say 32 (speed camera happy) and 35mph (speed camera sad) solely by sight for example (this is for me of course, others may judge better).The noise gives me an easily recognised point of reference without needing to stare at the speedometer/HUD constantly to ensure I'm not over the limit, and in this thing, you get into silly speeds very quickly and effortlessly, so having that to rely on as an additional source of information was really handy in making sure I wasn't speeding around.
Secondly, I imagine that anything track led would intensify this disjoint of speed awareness, where you're just caning along and whatever MPH and it more or less sounds the same between 30 mph and 130 mph. Obviously your eyes can tell the difference to that extreme, but an extra sensory input would be helpful I think people can generally agree? Mixed with the faked gearing, this gives yet another sensory reference point for faster driving/track days, as you then learn that you need to be in X gear for X corner etc, rather than just blasting through everything in abject silence.
Maybe it's just me, but as someone who has barely touched an EV (Nissan Leaf for 20 odd minutes and a 1.5hr test drive in the 5N), and someone solely used to an ICE vehicle, the total silence would absolutely be a license liability early on I think, so the sounds/gears I thought were very helpful in getting used to the vehicle.
I eventually decided that I prefer the fake gears in the course of the test drive, even if it is a bit slower, as you're hardly lacking for pace in the 5N anyway so the gears reducing that a little, in my mind, is only a good thing. Plus you're not just driving it like some point and squirt machine, it gets you a little more involved in the actual drive. Maybe once I get one I'll change my mind over time of ownership, but early on, I liked the sounds and gears.
I don't know, maybe I'm unique in my situation but I've said elsewhere I wanted a Jekyll and Hyde car for myself and my partner; something bigger than my Fiesta ST (ok... this is quite a bit bigger lol) that has changeable characteristics for different drivers, but with performance and something I like the look of and the 5N ticks every single box in a massive way.
A huge bonus is that I can get it through salary sacrifice, so that's even better - one single payment (reduction) per month covers everything besides charging, and I get a vehicle that I'm really excited about and one that I can actually realistically own. Personally I don't really 'lust' after things completely outside of reality for me, so true vehicle exotica is out of my mind. But the 5N is absolutely in the realms of possibility for me and provides way more than I could really want in a car and then some.
And in the end, if you don't like any of it, just turn it off. It all boils down to people liking different things, but at least there's options to engage in the vehicles' systems or not, rather than just not having the option in the first place.
That reads rantier than I meant it
Dirky90 said:
Sebbak said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd imagine that most folk will turn it off, because surely the only reason that you're buying electric in the first place is because you love quietness, and you dislike engine/exhaust noise I reckon.
I'd argue that, as a new comer to EV's, the first issue I immediately noticed compared to an ICE is speed awareness, or lack of it. For me, the silence meant that the safety systems (again, you can turn them off) were beeping quite a lot early on in my test drive of the 5N as without any sound as a point of reference, it's hard to judge between say 32 (speed camera happy) and 35mph (speed camera sad) solely by sight for example (this is for me of course, others may judge better).The noise gives me an easily recognised point of reference without needing to stare at the speedometer/HUD constantly to ensure I'm not over the limit, and in this thing, you get into silly speeds very quickly and effortlessly, so having that to rely on as an additional source of information was really handy in making sure I wasn't speeding around.
Secondly, I imagine that anything track led would intensify this disjoint of speed awareness, where you're just caning along and whatever MPH and it more or less sounds the same between 30 mph and 130 mph. Obviously your eyes can tell the difference to that extreme, but an extra sensory input would be helpful I think people can generally agree? Mixed with the faked gearing, this gives yet another sensory reference point for faster driving/track days, as you then learn that you need to be in X gear for X corner etc, rather than just blasting through everything in abject silence.
Maybe it's just me, but as someone who has barely touched an EV (Nissan Leaf for 20 odd minutes and a 1.5hr test drive in the 5N), and someone solely used to an ICE vehicle, the total silence would absolutely be a license liability early on I think, so the sounds/gears I thought were very helpful in getting used to the vehicle.
I eventually decided that I prefer the fake gears in the course of the test drive, even if it is a bit slower, as you're hardly lacking for pace in the 5N anyway so the gears reducing that a little, in my mind, is only a good thing. Plus you're not just driving it like some point and squirt machine, it gets you a little more involved in the actual drive. Maybe once I get one I'll change my mind over time of ownership, but early on, I liked the sounds and gears.
I don't know, maybe I'm unique in my situation but I've said elsewhere I wanted a Jekyll and Hyde car for myself and my partner; something bigger than my Fiesta ST (ok... this is quite a bit bigger lol) that has changeable characteristics for different drivers, but with performance and something I like the look of and the 5N ticks every single box in a massive way.
A huge bonus is that I can get it through salary sacrifice, so that's even better - one single payment (reduction) per month covers everything besides charging, and I get a vehicle that I'm really excited about and one that I can actually realistically own. Personally I don't really 'lust' after things completely outside of reality for me, so true vehicle exotica is out of my mind. But the 5N is absolutely in the realms of possibility for me and provides way more than I could really want in a car and then some.
And in the end, if you don't like any of it, just turn it off. It all boils down to people liking different things, but at least there's options to engage in the vehicles' systems or not, rather than just not having the option in the first place.
That reads rantier than I meant it
I love it and hope lots of people take it up on sal sac and other schemes leading to a strong second hand depreciated market.
We don't commute as a family so cars only fall into school run/errand/kids' football match duties and fun to drive cars. Right now that's split between a petrol SUV and two really engaging sports cars. If this delivers the engaging drive like the reviewers are claiming, and then it fits a sweet spot between the two use cases.
We don't commute as a family so cars only fall into school run/errand/kids' football match duties and fun to drive cars. Right now that's split between a petrol SUV and two really engaging sports cars. If this delivers the engaging drive like the reviewers are claiming, and then it fits a sweet spot between the two use cases.
Sebbak said:
Dirky90 said:
Sebbak said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd imagine that most folk will turn it off, because surely the only reason that you're buying electric in the first place is because you love quietness, and you dislike engine/exhaust noise I reckon.
I'd argue that, as a new comer to EV's, the first issue I immediately noticed compared to an ICE is speed awareness, or lack of it. For me, the silence meant that the safety systems (again, you can turn them off) were beeping quite a lot early on in my test drive of the 5N as without any sound as a point of reference, it's hard to judge between say 32 (speed camera happy) and 35mph (speed camera sad) solely by sight for example (this is for me of course, others may judge better).The noise gives me an easily recognised point of reference without needing to stare at the speedometer/HUD constantly to ensure I'm not over the limit, and in this thing, you get into silly speeds very quickly and effortlessly, so having that to rely on as an additional source of information was really handy in making sure I wasn't speeding around.
Secondly, I imagine that anything track led would intensify this disjoint of speed awareness, where you're just caning along and whatever MPH and it more or less sounds the same between 30 mph and 130 mph. Obviously your eyes can tell the difference to that extreme, but an extra sensory input would be helpful I think people can generally agree? Mixed with the faked gearing, this gives yet another sensory reference point for faster driving/track days, as you then learn that you need to be in X gear for X corner etc, rather than just blasting through everything in abject silence.
Maybe it's just me, but as someone who has barely touched an EV (Nissan Leaf for 20 odd minutes and a 1.5hr test drive in the 5N), and someone solely used to an ICE vehicle, the total silence would absolutely be a license liability early on I think, so the sounds/gears I thought were very helpful in getting used to the vehicle.
I eventually decided that I prefer the fake gears in the course of the test drive, even if it is a bit slower, as you're hardly lacking for pace in the 5N anyway so the gears reducing that a little, in my mind, is only a good thing. Plus you're not just driving it like some point and squirt machine, it gets you a little more involved in the actual drive. Maybe once I get one I'll change my mind over time of ownership, but early on, I liked the sounds and gears.
I don't know, maybe I'm unique in my situation but I've said elsewhere I wanted a Jekyll and Hyde car for myself and my partner; something bigger than my Fiesta ST (ok... this is quite a bit bigger lol) that has changeable characteristics for different drivers, but with performance and something I like the look of and the 5N ticks every single box in a massive way.
A huge bonus is that I can get it through salary sacrifice, so that's even better - one single payment (reduction) per month covers everything besides charging, and I get a vehicle that I'm really excited about and one that I can actually realistically own. Personally I don't really 'lust' after things completely outside of reality for me, so true vehicle exotica is out of my mind. But the 5N is absolutely in the realms of possibility for me and provides way more than I could really want in a car and then some.
And in the end, if you don't like any of it, just turn it off. It all boils down to people liking different things, but at least there's options to engage in the vehicles' systems or not, rather than just not having the option in the first place.
That reads rantier than I meant it
CG2020UK said:
CloudStuff said:
£950 sal sac
Zenith has me at £1188.50 which is just a silly price to me!I could PCP a 2020 Taycan Turbo S with 14k miles on it for similar money. Yes it’s used and it probably is not as good as the Hyundai but it does have a Porsche badge on it
Sebbak said:
CG2020UK said:
CloudStuff said:
£950 sal sac
Zenith has me at £1188.50 which is just a silly price to me!I could PCP a 2020 Taycan Turbo S with 14k miles on it for similar money. Yes it’s used and it probably is not as good as the Hyundai but it does have a Porsche badge on it
Was told at least 18 months waiting list.
Would work out slightly cheaper realistically than my M2.
CG2020UK said:
Sebbak said:
CG2020UK said:
CloudStuff said:
£950 sal sac
Zenith has me at £1188.50 which is just a silly price to me!I could PCP a 2020 Taycan Turbo S with 14k miles on it for similar money. Yes it’s used and it probably is not as good as the Hyundai but it does have a Porsche badge on it
Was told at least 18 months waiting list.
Would work out slightly cheaper realistically than my M2.
Sebbak said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd imagine that most folk will turn it off, because surely the only reason that you're buying electric in the first place is because you love quietness, and you dislike engine/exhaust noise I reckon.
The noise gives me an easily recognised point of reference without needing to stare at the speedometer/HUD constantly to ensure I'm not over the limit, and in this thing, you get into silly speeds very quickly and effortlessly, so having that to rely on as an additional source of information was really handy in making sure I wasn't speeding around.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZczpFsv9ZY
I quite like these, considering the base cars are absolutely awful.
I think they will suffer savage depreciation, makes no sense as a new PCP as the finance rates are so expensive. I’d wait a year and buy one 3 months old.
Even the salary sacrifice figures sound quite expensive.
Enhanced fakeness isn’t a huge issue to me. My M3 has fake sounds and it sounds good, wife has fake boobs and they look good etc etc… I’d be tempted maybe at some point.
I think they will suffer savage depreciation, makes no sense as a new PCP as the finance rates are so expensive. I’d wait a year and buy one 3 months old.
Even the salary sacrifice figures sound quite expensive.
Enhanced fakeness isn’t a huge issue to me. My M3 has fake sounds and it sounds good, wife has fake boobs and they look good etc etc… I’d be tempted maybe at some point.
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