142 MPH in Scotland... anyone here?
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BandOfBrothers said:
mac96 said:
caley64 said:
Snow and Rocks said:
Are those highlighting the fact that it's an A road actually familiar with the particular stretch of road in question?
It's wide open, perfectly sighted with open moorland on each side - I'd argue that it's probably safer to speed there in certain conditions than on most dual carriageways.
As an aside, I got pulled by an unmarked Volvo on this very stretch about 10 years ago. He'd clocked me during an overtake (at long range) doing 92 which resulted in a trip to court in Dingwall and 4 points and a £200 fine.
Probably lucky I was driving an ancient diesel Land Cruiser or my full bore overtake would probably have resulted in a much higher number!
I was told this morning he was originally clocked at 112mph, then got nobbled for the higher speed when they set off after him.It's wide open, perfectly sighted with open moorland on each side - I'd argue that it's probably safer to speed there in certain conditions than on most dual carriageways.
As an aside, I got pulled by an unmarked Volvo on this very stretch about 10 years ago. He'd clocked me during an overtake (at long range) doing 92 which resulted in a trip to court in Dingwall and 4 points and a £200 fine.
Probably lucky I was driving an ancient diesel Land Cruiser or my full bore overtake would probably have resulted in a much higher number!
There are indeed massive wide open stretches on this road.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel. The police often sit in the layby this time of year.
For a stationary car to catch a sporys car that passes it at 112 mph and is accelerating up to 150 mph is pretty much inconceivable.
The sports car would be over a mile away before the following car even matched its speed, then the following car has to close the gap.
There is a video from years ago of a police bike trying to catch an Evo at those kinds of speed on the Isle of Mann.
The bike struggled to catch him and an Evo is very short geared and small engined compared to a Porsche, meaning it runs out of puff at speeds above 110 mph.
The bike only caught up as the Evo slowed for a 40 zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Opf6U1JOs
Edited by BandOfBrothers on Sunday 12th May 17:26
Forester1965 said:
Harry Rule said:
I'd be interested to hear who you think, from a road driving perspective, could have training that's equal to or more comprehensive that a police advanced/pursuit trained driver.
I'm not having a go, it's a genuine question, I can't think of how you could access that level of training privately.
A fully trained ex-constable. There are plenty of organisations that will train to Roadcraft etc. I'm not having a go, it's a genuine question, I can't think of how you could access that level of training privately.
I don't think private companies that teach roadcraft to members of the public will be providing anything even close to police advanced/pursuit training.
BandOfBrothers said:
Not forgetting that many of our European cousins are legally allowed to drive at significantly higher speeds than us often on significantly worse quality roads than ours even on busy roads, giving lie to the clear nonsense that exceeding an arbitrary limit in itself is inherently dangerous.
Not sure about that. Only one nation is allowed to travel at significantly higher speeds, and their roads are not worse than ours. It's possible that the speed limit on a road of that type in UK has the same limit as Germany, if not higher. (60mph v 90kph?) BandOfBrothers said:
Tony1963 said:
BandOfBrothers said:
Here's the police video - highest speeds are at 6m30.
Where?Still, he knew what he was doing and it's especially important at those times to stick to the limits where they are signed.
Indeed Isle of Man is only place in British Isles I've been done for speeding!
Somewhatfoolish said:
BandOfBrothers said:
Tony1963 said:
BandOfBrothers said:
Here's the police video - highest speeds are at 6m30.
Where?Still, he knew what he was doing and it's especially important at those times to stick to the limits where they are signed.
Indeed Isle of Man is only place in British Isles I've been done for speeding!
Can't remember the outcome of the prosecution, seems to me that they only had the bike's speedo to go on for his speed, which is obviously not accurate, but he certainly was back driving pretty soon thereafter so at least no length ban, which for 100 mph in a 40 mph you might expect.
heebeegeetee said:
BandOfBrothers said:
Not forgetting that many of our European cousins are legally allowed to drive at significantly higher speeds than us often on significantly worse quality roads than ours even on busy roads, giving lie to the clear nonsense that exceeding an arbitrary limit in itself is inherently dangerous.
Not sure about that. Only one nation is allowed to travel at significantly higher speeds, and their roads are not worse than ours. It's possible that the speed limit on a road of that type in UK has the same limit as Germany, if not higher. (60mph v 90kph?) Germany has 90 million people, France (80 mph limit on motorways) has 60 odd million. That's 150 million of our near neighbours who are legally allowed to drive significantly faster than us.
BandOfBrothers said:
Tony1963 said:
BandOfBrothers said:
Here's the police video - highest speeds are at 6m30.
Where?BandOfBrothers said:
BandOfBrothers said:
mac96 said:
caley64 said:
Snow and Rocks said:
Are those highlighting the fact that it's an A road actually familiar with the particular stretch of road in question?
It's wide open, perfectly sighted with open moorland on each side - I'd argue that it's probably safer to speed there in certain conditions than on most dual carriageways.
As an aside, I got pulled by an unmarked Volvo on this very stretch about 10 years ago. He'd clocked me during an overtake (at long range) doing 92 which resulted in a trip to court in Dingwall and 4 points and a £200 fine.
Probably lucky I was driving an ancient diesel Land Cruiser or my full bore overtake would probably have resulted in a much higher number!
I was told this morning he was originally clocked at 112mph, then got nobbled for the higher speed when they set off after him.It's wide open, perfectly sighted with open moorland on each side - I'd argue that it's probably safer to speed there in certain conditions than on most dual carriageways.
As an aside, I got pulled by an unmarked Volvo on this very stretch about 10 years ago. He'd clocked me during an overtake (at long range) doing 92 which resulted in a trip to court in Dingwall and 4 points and a £200 fine.
Probably lucky I was driving an ancient diesel Land Cruiser or my full bore overtake would probably have resulted in a much higher number!
There are indeed massive wide open stretches on this road.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel. The police often sit in the layby this time of year.
For a stationary car to catch a sporys car that passes it at 112 mph and is accelerating up to 150 mph is pretty much inconceivable.
The sports car would be over a mile away before the following car even matched its speed, then the following car has to close the gap.
There is a video from years ago of a police bike trying to catch an Evo at those kinds of speed on the Isle of Mann.
The bike struggled to catch him and an Evo is very short geared and small engined compared to a Porsche, meaning it runs out of puff at speeds above 110 mph.
The bike only caught up as the Evo slowed for a 40 zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Opf6U1JOs
Edited by BandOfBrothers on Sunday 12th May 17:26
FAOD, watching without sound.
The way I see it, the bike followed the car at a fairly steady time gap.
Don't think the bike rider exactly wants to get right up its arse at 120, let alone overtake.
If you stay 1s behind, the distance separation is proportional to speed.
It's a mugs game to attempt following by a fixed distance.
Gets messy when they brake...
Not sure what the point is anyway as police bikes are not the fastest and compromised by the gear they carry.
Job jobbed. Evo identified. Offence observed. Villain nicked.
I suspect the plod in Scotland just had to zap the porsche as it went by.
It's CSE physics to understand that if a car passes you at 100mph and you chase it from a standing start, it will be quite some way down the road by the time you get up to 100mph. Catching up with it at 150mph might not be too pleasant.
So the vid with the Evo on the IOM is a guy called Peeler on the MLR ( because he hails from Peel, a village on the IOM. He knew what he was doing. From memory, he wasn't aware that it was a police bike until he got home and the bike pulled up and the copper read him his future. He got a short ban I think.
I used to frequent the IOM often in my own Evo. I got into a full throttle, flat out run with a Honda 600 on that same road. The bike was in front. We caught a police car up while we doing 140 mph. The biker didn't flinch, pulled straight out and overtook while still accelerating. Deep breath from yours truly. I followed and shat myself waiting for what I envisaged was the inevitable wallet and licence remap. The guy in the police car seems not to have given a thought to what he's just witnessed and left us to get on with it.
I thought long and hard about a life on the IOM after that, and went as far as investigating possible property purchases. It may yet happen.
I used to frequent the IOM often in my own Evo. I got into a full throttle, flat out run with a Honda 600 on that same road. The bike was in front. We caught a police car up while we doing 140 mph. The biker didn't flinch, pulled straight out and overtook while still accelerating. Deep breath from yours truly. I followed and shat myself waiting for what I envisaged was the inevitable wallet and licence remap. The guy in the police car seems not to have given a thought to what he's just witnessed and left us to get on with it.
I thought long and hard about a life on the IOM after that, and went as far as investigating possible property purchases. It may yet happen.
bigmowley said:
There is nothing wrong with that video which is presumably why the Police bike doesn’t make any attempt to stop the Evo. The mountain road is a derestricted road with no speed limit. It’s well sighted and the Evo drives it quite well and with consideration. The bike could easily have gone way quicker, especially on Hailwoods rise but I suspect he is just enjoying the ride and keeping the Evo in sight. It does take a bit of getting used too but there are a lot of local drivers / riders that will hit 120 plus MPH over the mountain nearly every day. It might not be very PC but it’s one of the best things about living here.
My argument will always be that if the guy in question was doing anything so bad he's in line for prosecution, why let him carry on and just follow. As you say, the Evo was being driven with consideration as to where and when an overtake and big speeds were appropriate. I don't think he did anything so out of order that it merited the outcome for him. Heaveho said:
bigmowley said:
There is nothing wrong with that video which is presumably why the Police bike doesn’t make any attempt to stop the Evo. The mountain road is a derestricted road with no speed limit. It’s well sighted and the Evo drives it quite well and with consideration. The bike could easily have gone way quicker, especially on Hailwoods rise but I suspect he is just enjoying the ride and keeping the Evo in sight. It does take a bit of getting used too but there are a lot of local drivers / riders that will hit 120 plus MPH over the mountain nearly every day. It might not be very PC but it’s one of the best things about living here.
My argument will always be that if the guy in question was doing anything so bad he's in line for prosecution, why let him carry on and just follow. As you say, the Evo was being driven with consideration as to where and when an overtake and big speeds were appropriate. I don't think he did anything so out of order that it merited the outcome for him. BandOfBrothers said:
heebeegeetee said:
BandOfBrothers said:
Not forgetting that many of our European cousins are legally allowed to drive at significantly higher speeds than us often on significantly worse quality roads than ours even on busy roads, giving lie to the clear nonsense that exceeding an arbitrary limit in itself is inherently dangerous.
Not sure about that. Only one nation is allowed to travel at significantly higher speeds, and their roads are not worse than ours. It's possible that the speed limit on a road of that type in UK has the same limit as Germany, if not higher. (60mph v 90kph?) Germany has 90 million people, France (80 mph limit on motorways) has 60 odd million. That's 150 million of our near neighbours who are legally allowed to drive significantly faster than us.
In terms of France and Germany, to say their roads are significantly worse than ours is quite the opposite of the reality, I think you really are arguing black is white with that one, I just don't understand that comment at all.
carlo996 said:
1. French and German roads are way better than the UK.
2. I couldn’t care less about speeding.
3. I wish the Police would concentrate on drug/knife related offences.
That’s all.
b2. I couldn’t care less about speeding.
3. I wish the Police would concentrate on drug/knife related offences.
That’s all.
ks. I did 125 in an MX-5 on an autobahn that was similar to a knackered A road dual carriageway in the UK.heebeegeetee said:
BandOfBrothers said:
heebeegeetee said:
BandOfBrothers said:
Not forgetting that many of our European cousins are legally allowed to drive at significantly higher speeds than us often on significantly worse quality roads than ours even on busy roads, giving lie to the clear nonsense that exceeding an arbitrary limit in itself is inherently dangerous.
Not sure about that. Only one nation is allowed to travel at significantly higher speeds, and their roads are not worse than ours. It's possible that the speed limit on a road of that type in UK has the same limit as Germany, if not higher. (60mph v 90kph?) Germany has 90 million people, France (80 mph limit on motorways) has 60 odd million. That's 150 million of our near neighbours who are legally allowed to drive significantly faster than us.
In terms of France and Germany, to say their roads are significantly worse than ours is quite the opposite of the reality, I think you really are arguing black is white with that one, I just don't understand that comment at all.
BandOfBrothers said:
bks. I did 125 in an MX-5 on an autobahn that was similar to a knackered A road dual carriageway in the UK.
It was probably your car. Roads in France and Germany are infinitely better than the absolute state of ours. But what do I know, I only spend half my time in Europe. ks. I did 125 in an MX-5 on an autobahn that was similar to a knackered A road dual carriageway in the UK.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff