142 MPH in Scotland... anyone here?
Discussion
mac96 said:
ridds said:
I have no issue with speed but 142mph on this kind of road is a little silly imho.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aHpNpKXXyaLrMZDL7
Pick the straight section of your preference and then count how many side roads access it.
How many of those people pulling out would be expecting a car they see far off in the distance, to be approaching them at more than double the speed limit.
Plus other hazards-animals,cyclists. I wonder what it would feel like as a cyclist to have a car pass at 140mph on a single carriageway road like that one? Quite exciting I would think. Even if it was going the other way.https://maps.app.goo.gl/aHpNpKXXyaLrMZDL7
Pick the straight section of your preference and then count how many side roads access it.
How many of those people pulling out would be expecting a car they see far off in the distance, to be approaching them at more than double the speed limit.
The kinetic energy lost by the same car, braking hard from 60 to a full stop, would only get the same car down to 128mph from 142 mph.
Kinetic energy at 60 mph is proportional to 60x60 = 3600.
Kinetic energy at 142mph is proportional to 142x142 = 20164.
Take the 3600 away from 20164 leaves 16564.
The square root of 16564 gives 128.7 (mph)
Kinetic energy at 60 mph is proportional to 60x60 = 3600.
Kinetic energy at 142mph is proportional to 142x142 = 20164.
Take the 3600 away from 20164 leaves 16564.
The square root of 16564 gives 128.7 (mph)
agtlaw said:
martinbiz said:
Indeed, he is certainly in for more than a slap on the wrist
A quick google search suggests that in Scotland a driver caught at 140 mph may expect 4-9 months immediate custody, disqualification 18m-5 years, a mandatory extended retest, and potential forfeiture of his vehicle. https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/aberdeen...
surveyor said:
Whoever it is will be concerned.
Speed on it's own is enough to be 'Dangerous' in the land of Haggis and the punishments are serious. I knew someone who lost his license for 3 years after 130mph on the M74.
Offence: *Dangerous driving
Imprisonment: 2 years
Fine: Unlimited
Disqualification Obligatory
Penalty points: 3-11 (if exceptionally not disqualified)
Close friend was 5 month ban + 6 points iirc for 130 on the M8, 2AM being a mitigating factor. Speed on it's own is enough to be 'Dangerous' in the land of Haggis and the punishments are serious. I knew someone who lost his license for 3 years after 130mph on the M74.
Offence: *Dangerous driving
Imprisonment: 2 years
Fine: Unlimited
Disqualification Obligatory
Penalty points: 3-11 (if exceptionally not disqualified)
Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
Calite said:
Close friend was 5 month ban + 6 points iirc for 130 on the M8, 2AM being a mitigating factor.
Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
The minimum ban for dangerous driving is 12 months. There’s also a compulsory extended retest.Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
In England it isn’t possible to get a ban and points. I don’t know about Scotland.
I doubt your close pal was convicted of dangerous driving.
agtlaw said:
Calite said:
Close friend was 5 month ban + 6 points iirc for 130 on the M8, 2AM being a mitigating factor.
Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
The minimum ban for dangerous driving is 12 months. There’s also a compulsory extended retest.Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
In England it isn’t possible to get a ban and points. I don’t know about Scotland.
I doubt your close pal was convicted of dangerous driving.
Really f
ked him over, had to sell the car as even after his ban insurance was berserk, cost him his livelihood as a truck driver. Was the textbook 'moment of madness' case really ruining someone. Edit: was definitely a ban + points, because I remember him being banned, and I remember him saying because he went from zero points to 6 it made him ineligible for employment at a lot of places even after his ban, until the points expired.
Edited by Calite on Wednesday 8th May 19:04
Calite said:
agtlaw said:
Calite said:
Close friend was 5 month ban + 6 points iirc for 130 on the M8, 2AM being a mitigating factor.
Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
The minimum ban for dangerous driving is 12 months. There’s also a compulsory extended retest.Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
In England it isn’t possible to get a ban and points. I don’t know about Scotland.
I doubt your close pal was convicted of dangerous driving.
Edit: was definitely a ban + points, because I remember him being banned, and I remember him saying because he went from zero points to 6 it made him ineligible for employment at a lot of places even after his ban, until the points expired.
Edited by Calite on Wednesday 8th May 19:04
To this day many on here have said you can’t have a ban and points ….However the magistrate did give me them at point of sentencing .
Though to be honest the points in the end didn’t count .
Wozy68 said:
To this day many on here have said you can’t have a ban and points ….However the magistrate did give me them at point of sentencing .
Though to be honest the points in the end didn’t count .
You can’t it’s either one or the other as you found out when the points were voided. The Mag made a mistake, but surprised there was no one in court at the time to correct them on points of law and sentencing, there would be today. Magistrates are not Judges and in most cases their knowledge of the law can be pretty basic because that’s all they would normally require or should require to be able to perform their dutiesThough to be honest the points in the end didn’t count .
I assume the NSL was 60 which is why you ended up in court?
Edited by martinbiz on Thursday 9th May 00:00
Which driver should be punished most, this one or
This one https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
This one https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Paulm4 said:
I live near where the person was caught. The locals are all foaming at the mouth, especially when the police announced it was a non local in a Porsche on their FB page...
The road in that section has several long, clear, well sighted straights and the weather was good. I'm not one for driving quickly but 142 is not necessarily unsafe in that car, they were just unlucky to get caught. They also did better than the DB9 that I saw stuffed into a rock face the week before!
I wonder how different the comments on PH would have looked 20 years ago, and maybe if it had been something other than a Porsche?The road in that section has several long, clear, well sighted straights and the weather was good. I'm not one for driving quickly but 142 is not necessarily unsafe in that car, they were just unlucky to get caught. They also did better than the DB9 that I saw stuffed into a rock face the week before!
What's sicially acceptable on PH these days?
Or elsewhere for that matter?
Time was, if you went out and did silly speeds without hitting anything, people were OK about it.
Now here we are with faster vehicles and even 'motoring enthusiasts' are quick to criticise any speed in 3 figures.
What exactly is the point of owning something like a Porsche these days?
agtlaw said:
Calite said:
Close friend was 5 month ban + 6 points iirc for 130 on the M8, 2AM being a mitigating factor.
Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
The minimum ban for dangerous driving is 12 months. There’s also a compulsory extended retest.Albeit this was about 7-8 years back.
In England it isn’t possible to get a ban and points. I don’t know about Scotland.
I doubt your close pal was convicted of dangerous driving.
Are those highlighting the fact that it's an A road actually familiar with the particular stretch of road in question?
It's wide open, perfectly sighted with open moorland on each side - I'd argue that it's probably safer to speed there in certain conditions than on most dual carriageways.
As an aside, I got pulled by an unmarked Volvo on this very stretch about 10 years ago. He'd clocked me during an overtake (at long range) doing 92 which resulted in a trip to court in Dingwall and 4 points and a £200 fine.
Probably lucky I was driving an ancient diesel Land Cruiser or my full bore overtake would probably have resulted in a much higher number!
It's wide open, perfectly sighted with open moorland on each side - I'd argue that it's probably safer to speed there in certain conditions than on most dual carriageways.
As an aside, I got pulled by an unmarked Volvo on this very stretch about 10 years ago. He'd clocked me during an overtake (at long range) doing 92 which resulted in a trip to court in Dingwall and 4 points and a £200 fine.
Probably lucky I was driving an ancient diesel Land Cruiser or my full bore overtake would probably have resulted in a much higher number!
OutInTheShed said:
matchmaker said:
In Scotland you can't get a ban and points.
I think people say 'ban and points' when they mean 'points resulting in ban due to scoring 12'?Robertb said:
martinbiz said:
HiAsAKite said:
surveyor said:
Whoever it is will be concerned.
Speed on it's own is enough to be 'Dangerous' in the land of Haggis and the punishments are serious. I knew someone who lost his license for 3 years after 130mph on the M74.
Offence: *Dangerous driving
Imprisonment: 2 years
Fine: Unlimited
Disqualification Obligatory
Penalty points: 3-11 (if exceptionally not disqualified)
I think that if they "only" lose their license, and get a wacking great fine - they will count themselves very very lucky..Speed on it's own is enough to be 'Dangerous' in the land of Haggis and the punishments are serious. I knew someone who lost his license for 3 years after 130mph on the M74.
Offence: *Dangerous driving
Imprisonment: 2 years
Fine: Unlimited
Disqualification Obligatory
Penalty points: 3-11 (if exceptionally not disqualified)
142mph on an A Road takes some committment, its not a case of "Goodness me Officer, was I?"
OutInTheShed said:
I wonder how different the comments on PH would have looked 20 years ago, and maybe if it had been something other than a Porsche?
What's sicially acceptable on PH these days?
Or elsewhere for that matter?
Time was, if you went out and did silly speeds without hitting anything, people were OK about it.
Now here we are with faster vehicles and even 'motoring enthusiasts' are quick to criticise any speed in 3 figures.
What exactly is the point of owning something like a Porsche these days?
Drink driving used to be socially acceptable too. Not everything in the old days was better.What's sicially acceptable on PH these days?
Or elsewhere for that matter?
Time was, if you went out and did silly speeds without hitting anything, people were OK about it.
Now here we are with faster vehicles and even 'motoring enthusiasts' are quick to criticise any speed in 3 figures.
What exactly is the point of owning something like a Porsche these days?
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