Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
camel_landy said:
Sadly our resident troll believes in dumbing everything down to their level, rather than raising standards.
It's a pity our troll doesn't believe in democracy either, otherwise they'd realise they're in a minority of... Errr... Probably one.
M
Which part of democracy don't I believe in? It's a pity our troll doesn't believe in democracy either, otherwise they'd realise they're in a minority of... Errr... Probably one.
M
bennno said:
Evanivitch said:
bennno said:
Wales is doing it worse, e.g. The persecution of holiday homes is damaging welsh competitiveness, you might have missed we introduced
Persecution 
bennno said:
Wales is doing it worse, e.g. The persecution of holiday homes is damaging welsh competitiveness, you might have missed we introduced
- 4x CT premiums
- Are introducing registration schemes and visitors taxes.
- Holiday home operators need to go through waste bags and check waste from next month.
- We imposed minimum availability and rental periods way in excess of those in England and Scotland.
None of which applies in England.
England has a 100% Council Tax premium on second homes from April 2025.- 4x CT premiums
- Are introducing registration schemes and visitors taxes.
- Holiday home operators need to go through waste bags and check waste from next month.
- We imposed minimum availability and rental periods way in excess of those in England and Scotland.
None of which applies in England.
If you want to run a business, then run a business. Dumping recyclable material in domestic non-recyclabl3 waste isn't playing by domestic or commercial rules. Do better.
And same again. Are you a business or a home? Pretending you're both isn't viable because you provide neither benefit to the community.
bennno said:
We've reduced business rate relief to high street businesses.
To some high street businesses. Because they're using it as intended which isn't to turn every high street into a parade of takeaways and vape shops.Edited by Evanivitch on Wednesday 13th March 17:45
The council tax is 4x versus England just introducing 2x.
The letting windows are 252/182 as opposed to 140/70
To explain it to a simpleton, we’ve made it 2.5x harder to qualify as a business premise in Wales, with circa £6k greater costs if you don’t.
Can you understand why fewer would take the risk and try to invest in encouraging tourism within Wales versus England?
Senedd have another 'introduce something without thinking' policy, that Pembrokeshire (labour) have used as a cash grab.
Evanivitch said:
Yes, I can understand the benefits of fewer family homes in rural communties being taken out of the local community. Great news.
Doesn't happen, number of second homes registered in Pembrokeshire has been static since introduced in 2017, whilst 2000 new homes have been builtByker28i said:
Evanivitch said:
Yes, I can understand the benefits of fewer family homes in rural communties being taken out of the local community. Great news.
Doesn't happen, number of second homes registered in Pembrokeshire has been static since introduced in 2017, whilst 2000 new homes have been builtEvanivitch said:
bennno said:
That’s a blinkered view, all of ours were on the market for 12 months + unsold. We since have an average of 10 guests weekly for >45 weeks of the year, employ staff and several trades, promote other local business and spend any profits locally.
So many cheap properties available, you need to ask yourself why none of the ‘locals’ are buying them.
Because the schools, medical facilities and non-seasonal jobs have been ripped out by decades of holiday home exploitation?So many cheap properties available, you need to ask yourself why none of the ‘locals’ are buying them.
Families don't want the local primary school 5 miles away, elderly don't want the GP 10 miles away, and there aren't any neighbours to speak of... Congratulations, you won.
Most villages have a school, so your point of distances is you making up political b
ks again. Certainly that isn't the issue in any areas of significant population, even small ones, most kids can walk to school in these areas, and do.camel_landy said:
G Thang said:
bennno said:
Nah, there’s several schools, busy doctors, and a majority of permanent residents where we have ours. The lack of non seasonal jobs are a by product of our socialist leaders making bad decisions, combined with so many existing on minimum wage having little to spend.
The exodus of 2nd homes / holiday lets will just leave prices reduced that will attract more retirees, which will really place our GP’s under pressure, whilst locals still won’t be able to buy, the rental crisis will continue as the tax and regulatory environment has been set to discourage all long term letting.
Just sold a house in Wales I inherited from my grandmother for under 100k. A really excellent 3 storey Victorian town house for very little money only requiring minor works. Doctor, dentist, shops, school all under a mile away. It really wasn't too expensive for a local. Not at all a bad area, very popular with the English.The exodus of 2nd homes / holiday lets will just leave prices reduced that will attract more retirees, which will really place our GP’s under pressure, whilst locals still won’t be able to buy, the rental crisis will continue as the tax and regulatory environment has been set to discourage all long term letting.
For sale for 1.5 years, it went to someone from England who was prepared to make the investment and put some work in.
I would have kept it, and rented to a local. However, I have other business interests and projects so not being able to do the work for a couple of years the double council tax kicked in so it had to go as a holiday home.
I also have to think about opportunities for my kids, so I'm in the process of selling up and moving out. while there's still some value in my property. It won't be far, as I still want to be within easy striking distance of my elderly parents.
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Byker28i said:
We have nothing selling locally, the bottoms fallen out the market with the cost of living rises, mortgage rises etc. I live there most of the time but whilst I love it, am part of the community, I can see me moving away rather than retiring there. Poor public transport, poor healthcase as I get older etc
Powys has very few hospitals. I'm told that locals overcome this deficit by using better health facilities in the neighboring English counties.Is this true?
Byker28i said:
Welcome to rural Wales, which gets us back to the Senedd trying to discourage car use - pointless and shows how out of touch they are
Most villages have a school, so your point of distances is you making up political bks again. Certainly that isn't the issue in any areas of significant population, even small ones, most kids can walk to school in these areas, and do.
From 2017 to 2021, 27 schools closed and 31 merged. That included Abersoch school closing, in a town of what is now likely less than a 1000 year-round residents.Most villages have a school, so your point of distances is you making up political b
ks again. Certainly that isn't the issue in any areas of significant population, even small ones, most kids can walk to school in these areas, and do.Same story across West Wales too.
Byker28i said:
Poor public transport, poor healthcase as I get older etc
Those are the other factors we're considering... We'll see what things are like in 20yrs time.As for our resident WG troll, it looks like they're not exactly the sharpest tool in the box. It's a pity there isn't an 'Ignore' function as on other forums.
Hey ho...
M
Mark Drakeford defends 20mph law before stepping down
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BBC said:
...he said he has chosen to tackle "difficult and challenging" issues, not spend his time "sitting back and doing the easy things".
No he didn't... Fixing the NHS, the M4 through Newport, jobs, etc. are difficult things. Speed limits weren't broken, so didn't need 'fixing' and neither was the need to debate caffeine consumption by the under 16s, etc. Fix the big stuff first and stop trying to micro-manage.M
Evanivitch said:
From 2017 to 2021, 27 schools closed and 31 merged. That included Abersoch school closing, in a town of what is now likely less than a 1000 year-round residents.
Same story across West Wales too.
However if you look at the stats in England it's an average of 375 pupils per school. In Wales it's an average of 302 pupils per school. So theres some way to go. Same story across West Wales too.
Abersoch is a bad example it was a school of 7 pupils, costing a huge amount per pupil to operate, with 75% of the children in catchment electing to attend other schools in the area.
The obsession with running welsh medium in parallel with english medium schools to offer choice is resulting in less efficiency and accelerating the closure of local schools.
Evanivitch said:
Byker28i said:
Welcome to rural Wales, which gets us back to the Senedd trying to discourage car use - pointless and shows how out of touch they are
Most villages have a school, so your point of distances is you making up political bks again. Certainly that isn't the issue in any areas of significant population, even small ones, most kids can walk to school in these areas, and do.
From 2017 to 2021, 27 schools closed and 31 merged. That included Abersoch school closing, in a town of what is now likely less than a 1000 year-round residents.Most villages have a school, so your point of distances is you making up political b
ks again. Certainly that isn't the issue in any areas of significant population, even small ones, most kids can walk to school in these areas, and do.Same story across West Wales too.
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/...
Schools
This report from 2021 showed the schools that were closing because of persistent low numbers of pupils.
Some/Many were replaced with larger schools
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/small...
And yet we have Ysgol Gymraeg Bro Penfro a new Welsh medium school about to be opened,
https://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/23958657.y...
Haverfordwest High VC School was opened in 2022, cost £48.7m and has been winning awards.
https://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/newsroom/three-pr...
You make it sound like that children aren't getting educated, instead it's councils/senedd pulling resources from small comunities and putting into larger schools - same as they've done with NHS hosipitals/clinics etc.
All whilst spunking £100m on expanding the Senedd, wasting £32m on 20mph speed changes etc.
Which then again brings up their policy to discourage car usage. As we've said all along, they are ignoring the huge numbers that live in rural communities and rely on cars to get around, because public transport doesn't work well enough.
bigothunter said:
Byker28i said:
We have nothing selling locally, the bottoms fallen out the market with the cost of living rises, mortgage rises etc. I live there most of the time but whilst I love it, am part of the community, I can see me moving away rather than retiring there. Poor public transport, poor healthcase as I get older etc
Powys has very few hospitals. I'm told that locals overcome this deficit by using better health facilities in the neighboring English counties.Is this true?
My parents used to live in Powys, never had an issue, but then they went to Llandrindod Wells hospital
List of hospitals
https://pthb.nhs.wales/hospitals-and-centres/all-h...
There's cross border agreements between England and Wales NHS
https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/part-rel/x-bord...
and this BBC article seems to think it's 10%?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67900980
Evanivitch said:
Byker28i said:
The bit where you lied about the tories voted for the 20mph limit, when they voted for a consultancy for starters. You're so full of misinformation and sometines outright lies.
Nice to see you confirming they voted in favour of the policy.
bennno said:
However if you look at the stats in England it's an average of 375 pupils per school. In Wales it's an average of 302 pupils per school. So theres some way to go.
Are you aware of London? Birmingham? Compared to Wales they vastly influence the ratios.bennno said:
Abersoch is a bad example it was a school of 7 pupils, costing a huge amount per pupil to operate, with 75% of the children in catchment electing to attend other schools in the area.
Because it was a school in decline for years. There's about 400 holiday homes in the town. If there's 7 pupils across 6 school years, how big do you think the intake is if 75% go outside of catchment? Percentages, eh? Byker28i said:
Schools
This report from 2021 showed the schools that were closing because of persistent low numbers of pupils.
Some/Many were replaced with larger schools
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/small...
Back to the failed grasp of percentages again.This report from 2021 showed the schools that were closing because of persistent low numbers of pupils.
Some/Many were replaced with larger schools
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/small...
Byker28i said:
And yet we have Ysgol Gymraeg Bro Penfro a new Welsh medium school about to be opened,
https://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/23958657.y...
Haverfordwest High VC School was opened in 2022, cost £48.7m and has been winning awards.
https://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/newsroom/three-pr...
Haverfordwest High VC is a merger of two existing schools...https://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/23958657.y...
Haverfordwest High VC School was opened in 2022, cost £48.7m and has been winning awards.
https://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/newsroom/three-pr...
Byker28i said:
You make it sound like that children aren't getting educated, instead it's councils/senedd pulling resources from small comunities and putting into larger schools - same as they've done with NHS hosipitals/clinics etc.
Yes, smaller communties that are increasingly small because there's fewer year-round residents. Glad you're catching up with the logic... Which is why GP clinics (which are businesses), pharmacies (which are businesses) and public transport providers (which are businesses) withdraw from an area.Byker28i said:
Hadn't heard this, but not my area anymore.
My parents used to live in Powys, never had an issue, but then they went to Llandrindod Wells hospital
List of hospitals
https://pthb.nhs.wales/hospitals-and-centres/all-h...
There's cross border agreements between England and Wales NHS
https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/part-rel/x-bord...
and this BBC article seems to think it's 10%?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67900980
Thanks for the info My parents used to live in Powys, never had an issue, but then they went to Llandrindod Wells hospital
List of hospitals
https://pthb.nhs.wales/hospitals-and-centres/all-h...
There's cross border agreements between England and Wales NHS
https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/part-rel/x-bord...
and this BBC article seems to think it's 10%?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67900980
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