The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
Workout worth a watch over the next couple of hours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUqQhlL_6Q
Not sure what time the big boys are on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUqQhlL_6Q
Not sure what time the big boys are on
fridaypassion said:
I have a feeling Usyk is going to have a very convincing win. Either that or it will be a 12 round cagey bore fest one or the other.
He wasn't that convincing against DelBoy or AJ#2 though -or Dubois either tbhI'd rate Fury over all of the HW's Usyk has fought - and I think AJ mk2 would flatten Usyk by round 3....
jules_s said:
He wasn't that convincing against DelBoy or AJ#2 though -or Dubois either tbh
I'd rate Fury over all of the HW's Usyk has fought - and I think AJ mk2 would flatten Usyk by round 3....
I had him winning 9 rounds in the 2nd AJ fight, could have been 8, could have been 10. Were some bad judges scorecards for it, but he was the clear winner. AJ had his moments, but was still outclassed.I'd rate Fury over all of the HW's Usyk has fought - and I think AJ mk2 would flatten Usyk by round 3....
Dubois landed a couple of body shots and put him down with an obvious low-blow. He lost every round and got stopped by a jab.
If those kinds of performances against the 2nd or 3rd best HW in the world and a top-10 ranked fighter by 3 of the 4 bodies isn't 'convincing' your standards are probably too high!
jules_s said:
I'd rate Fury over all of the HW's Usyk has fought - and I think AJ mk2 would flatten Usyk by round 3....
Based on him beating Wallin and an MMA fighter? Jesus Christ... If Usyk gave AJ the looks Ngannou was giving him, AJ mk1 would have flattened him. He doesn't give you those looks. I really dislike this narrative that AJ could have just walked Usyk down if he had more confidence, it's Usyk's work that largely prevented AJ from going at him more than a lack of will from AJ. It's not like he didn't want to be more aggressive and assertive in the second fight, he knew what he wanted to do and got in a pressure-fighter trainer to help him do it, he just couldn't execute it well enough because he had a master boxer in front of himEdited by Pugaris on Thursday 16th May 01:56
Fury's reputation as a boxer is based on hype over reality. The draw and wins over Wilder were against the most limited boxer in the top 10. The win against Vlad was ancient history and against a man in turmoil at the end of his career. Wallin, Del Boy and the rest? Not elite fighters.
The man himself has abused his body and been largely inactive. The performance against Ngannou was awful. What seems to exist is a belief that an overrated boxer who has avoided fights, been inactive and has abused his body for years is going to transform into a killer machine after 10 weeks. Much seems to be based on him shedding some timber. I mentioned Conteh in an earlier. Add Hatton to the list. Fury will be fighting probably the definition of a consummate professional with an impeccable record and history of activity and living the life. Oh, but Fury's bigger! That matters if everything else is equal, which is most definitely not the case.
Fury looks weak and nervous to me. Usyk looks like a big cat licking its lips. However, there's still time for Fury to pull out or buy off the judges, which are the only ways he wins this. If he fights and we don't see a Golovkin Canelo style robbery - which we nearly saw with AJ Usyk 2 as well - I see Usyk stopping him now.
The man himself has abused his body and been largely inactive. The performance against Ngannou was awful. What seems to exist is a belief that an overrated boxer who has avoided fights, been inactive and has abused his body for years is going to transform into a killer machine after 10 weeks. Much seems to be based on him shedding some timber. I mentioned Conteh in an earlier. Add Hatton to the list. Fury will be fighting probably the definition of a consummate professional with an impeccable record and history of activity and living the life. Oh, but Fury's bigger! That matters if everything else is equal, which is most definitely not the case.
Fury looks weak and nervous to me. Usyk looks like a big cat licking its lips. However, there's still time for Fury to pull out or buy off the judges, which are the only ways he wins this. If he fights and we don't see a Golovkin Canelo style robbery - which we nearly saw with AJ Usyk 2 as well - I see Usyk stopping him now.
Well we only have a few more days to wait and we can see it unfold before our very eyes. I think Fury mirrors what's in front of him a lot of the time. You see it in all sorts of sport, where a poorer team / player / whatever can drag the other down.
He was woefully unprepared for Ngannou and in poor shape. He was in poor shape for wilder 1, IMO a step too far too soon into his comeback and without the knockdown would've won. Wilder may be the most limited top 10 fighter but at that time he had the ability to put most men to sleep but he couldn't sleep Fury.
I dunno, we'll see. Like I said before, I don't really care who wins that much but all this stuff about wanting to see fury getting found out etc, I don't see how that's remotely good for the sport. I'm hoping for confirmation that we are seeing the two best HW in the world going at it. Some of you may think that we've already seen that in AJ Usyk twice but I disagree.
He was woefully unprepared for Ngannou and in poor shape. He was in poor shape for wilder 1, IMO a step too far too soon into his comeback and without the knockdown would've won. Wilder may be the most limited top 10 fighter but at that time he had the ability to put most men to sleep but he couldn't sleep Fury.
I dunno, we'll see. Like I said before, I don't really care who wins that much but all this stuff about wanting to see fury getting found out etc, I don't see how that's remotely good for the sport. I'm hoping for confirmation that we are seeing the two best HW in the world going at it. Some of you may think that we've already seen that in AJ Usyk twice but I disagree.
Unreal said:
Fury's reputation as a boxer is based on hype over reality. The draw and wins over Wilder were against the most limited boxer in the top 10. The win against Vlad was ancient history and against a man in turmoil at the end of his career. Wallin, Del Boy and the rest? Not elite fighters.
The man himself has abused his body and been largely inactive. The performance against Ngannou was awful. What seems to exist is a belief that an overrated boxer who has avoided fights, been inactive and has abused his body for years is going to transform into a killer machine after 10 weeks. Much seems to be based on him shedding some timber. I mentioned Conteh in an earlier. Add Hatton to the list. Fury will be fighting probably the definition of a consummate professional with an impeccable record and history of activity and living the life. Oh, but Fury's bigger! That matters if everything else is equal, which is most definitely not the case.
Fury looks weak and nervous to me. Usyk looks like a big cat licking its lips. However, there's still time for Fury to pull out or buy off the judges, which are the only ways he wins this. If he fights and we don't see a Golovkin Canelo style robbery - which we nearly saw with AJ Usyk 2 as well - I see Usyk stopping him now.
I completely agree. I'd add a couple of other points too; Fury is a media darling. They lap him up and he has them in the palm of his hand. He knows how to talk the talk and play the game. It adds to his supposed "aura".The man himself has abused his body and been largely inactive. The performance against Ngannou was awful. What seems to exist is a belief that an overrated boxer who has avoided fights, been inactive and has abused his body for years is going to transform into a killer machine after 10 weeks. Much seems to be based on him shedding some timber. I mentioned Conteh in an earlier. Add Hatton to the list. Fury will be fighting probably the definition of a consummate professional with an impeccable record and history of activity and living the life. Oh, but Fury's bigger! That matters if everything else is equal, which is most definitely not the case.
Fury looks weak and nervous to me. Usyk looks like a big cat licking its lips. However, there's still time for Fury to pull out or buy off the judges, which are the only ways he wins this. If he fights and we don't see a Golovkin Canelo style robbery - which we nearly saw with AJ Usyk 2 as well - I see Usyk stopping him now.
Also, one thing that can never be underestimated is Usyk is going in with a mindset of fighting not for just himself but for his country. Every day he sees the devastation being wrecked there and that lights his inner fire and drives his desire. He'll go into the fight knowing and wanting to win for his people.
I think Furys legacy is built of his trilogy with Wilder
However Wilder may have knocked a number of his oponenrs out but were these the elite?
Ultimately Wilder was beat twice by Fury and also demolished by Parker.
Parker I really like, and he's a tough guy.
However he's been beat by Dillion and AJ.
Admittedly styles make fights but I think Wilder simply wasn't the high level scalp he was always made out to be.
I'm hope Uysk turns up, and demonstrates that Fury isn't the masiah as some seem to make out.
If Fury does get beat then we can all agree how he has been allowed to ruin the heavyweight scene over the past years.
However if he beats Usyk then hopefully we don't get a trilogy strung out over 3 years.
Prefer him to retire and ill admit I got it all wrong, rather than him talking up an AJ fight that likely won't materialise.
I feel Fury probably fancies his chances against the smaller men than a big lump with KO power like AJ
Regardless its going to be exciting.
However Wilder may have knocked a number of his oponenrs out but were these the elite?
Ultimately Wilder was beat twice by Fury and also demolished by Parker.
Parker I really like, and he's a tough guy.
However he's been beat by Dillion and AJ.
Admittedly styles make fights but I think Wilder simply wasn't the high level scalp he was always made out to be.
I'm hope Uysk turns up, and demonstrates that Fury isn't the masiah as some seem to make out.
If Fury does get beat then we can all agree how he has been allowed to ruin the heavyweight scene over the past years.
However if he beats Usyk then hopefully we don't get a trilogy strung out over 3 years.
Prefer him to retire and ill admit I got it all wrong, rather than him talking up an AJ fight that likely won't materialise.
I feel Fury probably fancies his chances against the smaller men than a big lump with KO power like AJ
Regardless its going to be exciting.
Usyk for me wide points or possibly late stoppage.When was the last time Fury boxed a guy with the lateral movement and footwork of Usyk this will give him huge problems alone.Usyk is always mobile never gives an opponent at stationary target to tee off on hence why AJ struggled to let go on him .Add to that he has a good engine and doesn't waste many punches it is going to be a hard nights work for fury and I think Usyk will be tge 1 that adapts better in the fight.
I'm really torn as to what I'd like to happen. Typically I'm blindly in favour of the British fighter, but with this one I really like Usyk, I think he's a great fighter and seems a great guy. From one perspective I'd like to see him win.
However.
If Usyk does win, then what's next? He's not going to fight AJ again. If Fury wins, I think the money and influence of Turki Alalshikh will mean that we get to see AJ v Fury, which is one of the fights I want to see more than any other.
However.
That will make Fury an unstoppable bore, but the thought of AJ v Fury is worth it, right?
However.
If Usyk does win, then what's next? He's not going to fight AJ again. If Fury wins, I think the money and influence of Turki Alalshikh will mean that we get to see AJ v Fury, which is one of the fights I want to see more than any other.
However.
That will make Fury an unstoppable bore, but the thought of AJ v Fury is worth it, right?
Purso said:
The only person I see them making for usyk if he wins is a way past it wilder or poss winner of wilder zhang. He could and should sail off into the sun set with all the belts.
Fury wins i expect a retirement to avoid a rematchUsyk wins expect a rematch with Fury and then AJ vs the winner of Zhang/ Wilder as AJ is currently somewhat frozen out by everybody else's activity
andburg said:
Fury wins i expect a retirement to avoid a rematch
Usyk wins expect a rematch with Fury and then AJ vs the winner of Zhang/ Wilder as AJ is currently somewhat frozen out by everybody else's activity
If Fury wins, I think we can expect a cash-out fight vs Joshua. In fact, even if Fury loses, I think that is on the cards. Usyk wins expect a rematch with Fury and then AJ vs the winner of Zhang/ Wilder as AJ is currently somewhat frozen out by everybody else's activity
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