Jacking in your job
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Woodrow Wilson said:
RDMcG said:
Very standard stuff.
To be honest, it sounds awful. I've seen a strong link between my job satisfaction and the difficulty of the interview process. I've found companies that want "bums on seats" at any cost are almost always less satisfying to work for compared to those that you are challenged to join. Culture and colleagues make a huge difference to happiness (not just money and the day-to-day work itself), so a good hiring process (including verifying references) is key for me.
I've just been offered a new job completely outside of my current type of work, same pay as now but I need to get out of what i'm doing. I've been in the same type of role for 15 years and i'm moving to a role where most of my current skills are not relevant, and honestly I can't wait.
I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
Jamescrs said:
I've just been offered a new job completely outside of my current type of work, same pay as now but I need to get out of what i'm doing. I've been in the same type of role for 15 years and i'm moving to a role where most of my current skills are not relevant, and honestly I can't wait.
I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
I'm 41 too I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
good on you , this thread is inspiring
i cant wait to jack my job in in January
Your situation sounds exactly like my own. I've worked at my current place of work for 14 years (since leaving school) and I've completely lost all enjoyment from it all. I used to enjoy coming to work, and felt proud of what myself and the company achieved.
There was a real drive for quality of work and proper Engineering, whereas now everything just seems as though it's the bare minimum dragged out as thinly as possible to meet targets.
I'm currently in the process of moving over to another firm, which has resulted in a considerable payrise, but does now include a 40 mile commute. I am a little worried about the move as I've known nothing different since I was a teenager. Time will tell I guess.
There was a real drive for quality of work and proper Engineering, whereas now everything just seems as though it's the bare minimum dragged out as thinly as possible to meet targets.
I'm currently in the process of moving over to another firm, which has resulted in a considerable payrise, but does now include a 40 mile commute. I am a little worried about the move as I've known nothing different since I was a teenager. Time will tell I guess.
I remember in my first job selling bulldozer spare parts, chatting with one of the lads there.
He explained how his dad in his late 40's didn't like his job any more - I liked my job at the time, and this didn't make sense to me.
Roll forward 25 years and I completely do get it.
Is it midlife crisis? I don't think so. I just feel tired of the repetition of so much of it.
He explained how his dad in his late 40's didn't like his job any more - I liked my job at the time, and this didn't make sense to me.
Roll forward 25 years and I completely do get it.
Is it midlife crisis? I don't think so. I just feel tired of the repetition of so much of it.
RDMcG said:
We do a lot of cross referencing for a senior position; first of all we have the headhunters check everything including social media posts etc, criminal records etc. At an executive level I have often called the references personally. Very easy to determine if they are genuine people.
OF course it is easy to fake a CV, but if the hirer is too damn lazy to do a proper check then why bother?. I always look for gaps in the CV, lack of continuity and so on. In itself these are just the usual checks; the interview itself is vital and generally I can get a feel for the person quickly. If it is a very senior position there may be more than one interviewer and then we get together and share out impressions..This for executive level stuff.
I have done this at various levels, and the CV is just one piece to the process.
I care less about formal education than about recent achievements , whether the person can point out and quantify how they made a difference in their role for instance. A lost of titles is less informative.
Very standard stuff.
Im not really sure who you're trying to support here with the feedback. The thread is from someone who wants to make a change to improve their life, youre worried if they earn less it won't look good on a CV. Then there's a spiel now about how much effort you put into recruiting for executive level jobs. Most people aren't going for "executive level" and I very much doubt the OP is or will be either. OF course it is easy to fake a CV, but if the hirer is too damn lazy to do a proper check then why bother?. I always look for gaps in the CV, lack of continuity and so on. In itself these are just the usual checks; the interview itself is vital and generally I can get a feel for the person quickly. If it is a very senior position there may be more than one interviewer and then we get together and share out impressions..This for executive level stuff.
I have done this at various levels, and the CV is just one piece to the process.
I care less about formal education than about recent achievements , whether the person can point out and quantify how they made a difference in their role for instance. A lost of titles is less informative.
Very standard stuff.
You are no doubt a fantastic reader of people and get a sense of them from interviews. You also put good effort into recruiting and fact checking people for positions that come with an office with your name on the door. Just not sure how it relates to the OP
Arnold Cunningham said:
Vidarr said:
Spent 6 months volunteering and gaining experience in a totally new industry.
This is one of the things I've been wondering about.A friend jacked in his teaching job, and started doing voluntary stuff for a forestry trust. Liked it so applied for a special educational needs role within the organisation, not successfully but a few weeks later they offered him an alternative position. Tree nursery, works outside, gets to drive a tractor and happy as a pig in shavings
Edited by PositronicRay on Tuesday 29th March 18:09
deebs said:
RDMcG said:
We do a lot of cross referencing for a senior position; first of all we have the headhunters check everything including social media posts etc, criminal records etc. At an executive level I have often called the references personally. Very easy to determine if they are genuine people.
OF course it is easy to fake a CV, but if the hirer is too damn lazy to do a proper check then why bother?. I always look for gaps in the CV, lack of continuity and so on. In itself these are just the usual checks; the interview itself is vital and generally I can get a feel for the person quickly. If it is a very senior position there may be more than one interviewer and then we get together and share out impressions..This for executive level stuff.
I have done this at various levels, and the CV is just one piece to the process.
I care less about formal education than about recent achievements , whether the person can point out and quantify how they made a difference in their role for instance. A lost of titles is less informative.
Very standard stuff.
Im not really sure who you're trying to support here with the feedback. The thread is from someone who wants to make a change to improve their life, youre worried if they earn less it won't look good on a CV. Then there's a spiel now about how much effort you put into recruiting for executive level jobs. Most people aren't going for "executive level" and I very much doubt the OP is or will be either. OF course it is easy to fake a CV, but if the hirer is too damn lazy to do a proper check then why bother?. I always look for gaps in the CV, lack of continuity and so on. In itself these are just the usual checks; the interview itself is vital and generally I can get a feel for the person quickly. If it is a very senior position there may be more than one interviewer and then we get together and share out impressions..This for executive level stuff.
I have done this at various levels, and the CV is just one piece to the process.
I care less about formal education than about recent achievements , whether the person can point out and quantify how they made a difference in their role for instance. A lost of titles is less informative.
Very standard stuff.
You are no doubt a fantastic reader of people and get a sense of them from interviews. You also put good effort into recruiting and fact checking people for positions that come with an office with your name on the door. Just not sure how it relates to the OP
RDMcG is probably trying to help, but his experiences, aims and drivers are probably not those of mine (The OP). I'd love to be a thrusting, effective, efficient executive type who loves working to clinch deals, starting or turning companies around, maximising my net worth and having the CV of Bill Gates or Elon Musk...... But...I'm just not....
I'm an enthusiastic jack of all trades who finds his current working situation dull, often ridiculous and wholly unsuitable.
I have done this numerous times, and it never really feels bad, you simply have to out up with the fact that if you do it on a whim you might struggle to find something quickly unless you have very specific skills.
I spent many years trying t find something worthwhile and motivating and I finally found this a last year, it is still in the same area I was always in, but a better group of people, a better environment and they really did want me, which when you are not overly skilled as I a not is very rare.
there is something terribly satisfying about walking out of a job, but it depends on your circumstance, if you are mortgaged etc and have years of experience it can take a while especially if you are working long notice, but that also gives you time to send feelers out and find a better role.
And believe me even though it is not advisable the freedom you get from totally walking out is good but can also be addictive, as once you do it once, it loses all its fear and you soon can get the itchy feet far too often, but invariably with good reason. So many firms are so badly run these days.
I spent many years trying t find something worthwhile and motivating and I finally found this a last year, it is still in the same area I was always in, but a better group of people, a better environment and they really did want me, which when you are not overly skilled as I a not is very rare.
there is something terribly satisfying about walking out of a job, but it depends on your circumstance, if you are mortgaged etc and have years of experience it can take a while especially if you are working long notice, but that also gives you time to send feelers out and find a better role.
And believe me even though it is not advisable the freedom you get from totally walking out is good but can also be addictive, as once you do it once, it loses all its fear and you soon can get the itchy feet far too often, but invariably with good reason. So many firms are so badly run these days.
LukeBrown66 said:
So many firms are so badly run these days.
I have wondered about this. Was it always the case?, or:
Does the tough competition/buyers' market result in a drive to reduce costs that cut important overhead aspects of organisations too far? With firms just making token gestures towards them?
Does the modern trend for people to move about more result in less expertise/continuity?
Do modern financial, legal & regulatory complexity have a detrimental effect?
...It's all so fookin dull.
Edited by Woodrow Wilson on Wednesday 30th March 10:09
Woodrow Wilson said:
I have wondered about this.
Was it always the case?, or:
Does the tough competition/buyers' market result in a drive to reduce costs that cut important overhead aspects of organisations too far? With firms just making token gestures towards them?
Does the modern trend for people to move about more result in less expertise/continuity?
Do modern financial, legal & regulatory complexity have a detrimental effect?
...It's all so fookin dull.
No. And Yes.Was it always the case?, or:
Does the tough competition/buyers' market result in a drive to reduce costs that cut important overhead aspects of organisations too far? With firms just making token gestures towards them?
Does the modern trend for people to move about more result in less expertise/continuity?
Do modern financial, legal & regulatory complexity have a detrimental effect?
...It's all so fookin dull.
Edited by Woodrow Wilson on Wednesday 30th March 10:09
Was it always the case? : No
Does the tough competition/buyers' market result in a drive to reduce costs that cut important overhead aspects of organisations too far? With firms just making token gestures towards them?
Yes. It's bad management though. Your typical manager these days is an accountant. They have no vision, they just count beans and all they know how to do is cut custs. And because they don't truly understand the business, they don't understand that this cost cutting also cuts quality, which in the short term they don't see - but in the medium term, then cuts revenue. So they cut costs more. It's a race to the bottom
Does the modern trend for people to move about more result in less expertise/continuity? Sort of. I find particular demographics have less loyalty. It's just about the money to them, which is fine....but they have to be good, too. I have an ex-employee right now - if you looked at their CV on linked on you'd think WOW. But I know their quality of work was dire. They earn more now than they did with us, but they'll be rumbled soon enough and move on again. I also have some ex-employees who are superstars. They left because their next step up the career was something we couldn't offer them at the time. I'd have them back in a heartbeat, they are friends as well as employees.
Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Wednesday 30th March 11:23
Polly Grigora said:
It's very satisfying to walk away from crap
Done it loads of times
Don't forget to tell the boss he's an idiot, who cares about burning ones bridges
Do something good for yourself, be your own boss, choose your destiny
I don't agree with burning bridges, ever, but i wholeheartedly agree with your first sentence. I once relocated back from north america and left a job i'd done for 8 years, so 8 years of baggage, of projects, of self doubting decisions months after they were made, etc, and during our relocation (wife and me) we did a 3 month round the world trip. It took over 2 weeks for me to stop thinking about projects in the job i'd left. In fact, it wasn't until we were in a tuk tuk heading the wrong way up a 5 lane road toward oncoming traffic that i actually laughed out load when i realised i didn't need to think about any of that stuff any more. It was absolutely, fDone it loads of times
Don't forget to tell the boss he's an idiot, who cares about burning ones bridges
Do something good for yourself, be your own boss, choose your destiny
king, liberating.Only jacked in one job and that was after a few months if not a year of the boss undermining every task I completed despite achieving results and finishing work that was far and above that of other employees. In the end something came along and made the choice to leave for me which was something of a relief. I have since made a decision never to get sucked into the company trap of sacrificing time off to fix problems set up by lazy and incompetent management who get away with it time and time again.
I know someone else who was constantly set up to fail by a new boss in finance.T hey were near the top just a rung below but this new boss constantly undermined them, didn't provide essential legal documents, accused them of not making changes when they were specifically not told too. The final straw came when the boss was supposed to attend an important meeting but called in sick within minutes of it beginning. Person I knew had to take over with limited information and they said it was a disaster as only the boss had access to this.
The final straw for them was when they found out that on the day of this meeting the boss was on the gold course with the senior manager of another department who had also called in sick. Within a week of leaving they had a new job earning similar money with far better work environment, no deadlines or stress.
I know someone else who was constantly set up to fail by a new boss in finance.T hey were near the top just a rung below but this new boss constantly undermined them, didn't provide essential legal documents, accused them of not making changes when they were specifically not told too. The final straw came when the boss was supposed to attend an important meeting but called in sick within minutes of it beginning. Person I knew had to take over with limited information and they said it was a disaster as only the boss had access to this.
The final straw for them was when they found out that on the day of this meeting the boss was on the gold course with the senior manager of another department who had also called in sick. Within a week of leaving they had a new job earning similar money with far better work environment, no deadlines or stress.
Edited by sutoka on Thursday 31st March 00:49
Sycamore said:
Monkeylegend said:
Polly Grigora said:
My post was a touch tongue in cheek
Each to their own, some will be working for good management
Idiot management is all I know
Is it them or could it be you Each to their own, some will be working for good management
Idiot management is all I know
Hope it all gets sorted for you OP.
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