Jacking in your job
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Monkeylegend said:
Sycamore said:
Monkeylegend said:
Polly Grigora said:
My post was a touch tongue in cheek
Each to their own, some will be working for good management
Idiot management is all I know
Is it them or could it be you Each to their own, some will be working for good management
Idiot management is all I know
Hope it all gets sorted for you OP.
The common denominator being that there are far too many idiots in UK management
Germany is far ahead of the UK in the automotive industry amongst others, there is a reason for this
Google will help you find some of the reasons as to why Germany is so successful
The demise of British industry isn't something that simply happened and couldn't be prevented
People wanting to gain more and more knowledge and sharing their knowledge with others is something that comes to mind
Monkeylegend, purely out of interest, what sort of work are you or were you involved in and what country?
Off topic
Are you aware that there are many idiots that make up the present UK government?
I have this issue right now. I have been tasked with a new data architecture for a customer.
Customer's management are vague, so I made a number of proposals, which they rejected.
They then say, "tell us how we should do it"
"Err, I told you how to do it already"
"But we don't want to do it that way, we want to do it this way"
"Fine - but be aware that if we do it your way, this is what'll happen, so it'll cost you more and deliver less"
"Oh. How should we do it then"
"I already told you that"
"But we don't want to do it that way"
"OK"
Probably making myself sound a bit of an arse in the above, but I've been doing this stuff for 20+ years. I know what works and what doesn't.
Customer's management are vague, so I made a number of proposals, which they rejected.
They then say, "tell us how we should do it"
"Err, I told you how to do it already"
"But we don't want to do it that way, we want to do it this way"
"Fine - but be aware that if we do it your way, this is what'll happen, so it'll cost you more and deliver less"
"Oh. How should we do it then"
"I already told you that"
"But we don't want to do it that way"
"OK"
Probably making myself sound a bit of an arse in the above, but I've been doing this stuff for 20+ years. I know what works and what doesn't.
Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Thursday 31st March 11:18
Arnold Cunningham said:
I have this issue right now. I have been tasked with a new data architecture for a customer.
Customer's management are vague, so I made a number of proposals, which they rejected.
They then say, "tell us how we should do it"
"Err, I told you how to do it already"
"But we don't want to do it that way, we want to do it this way"
"Fine - but be aware that if we do it your way, this is what'll happen, so it'll cost you more and deliver less"
"Oh. How should we do it then"
"I already told you that"
"But we don't want to do it that way"
"OK"
Probably making myself sound a bit of an arse in the above, but I've been doing this stuff for 20+ years. I know what works and what doesn't.
You don't come across as an arseCustomer's management are vague, so I made a number of proposals, which they rejected.
They then say, "tell us how we should do it"
"Err, I told you how to do it already"
"But we don't want to do it that way, we want to do it this way"
"Fine - but be aware that if we do it your way, this is what'll happen, so it'll cost you more and deliver less"
"Oh. How should we do it then"
"I already told you that"
"But we don't want to do it that way"
"OK"
Probably making myself sound a bit of an arse in the above, but I've been doing this stuff for 20+ years. I know what works and what doesn't.
Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Thursday 31st March 11:18
It's a crazy situation for you
I sympathise
PositronicRay said:
This works quite well.
A friend jacked in his teaching job, and started doing voluntary stuff for a forestry trust. Liked it so applied for a special educational needs role within the organisation, not successfully but a few weeks later they offered him an alternative position. Tree nursery, works outside, gets to drive a tractor and happy as a pig in shavings
I would probably enjoy that and working with visitors, at least for a few months, to get myself feeling a bit more positive about working and doing something more tangible.A friend jacked in his teaching job, and started doing voluntary stuff for a forestry trust. Liked it so applied for a special educational needs role within the organisation, not successfully but a few weeks later they offered him an alternative position. Tree nursery, works outside, gets to drive a tractor and happy as a pig in shavings
I did work in a couple of plant nurseries when I was a teenager/student and quite enjoyed it.
Edited by Woodrow Wilson on Thursday 31st March 20:49
dibbers006 said:
How does one escape when painted into a financial corner.
If I earn even <25% less (potentially more freetime, job satisfaction, human engagement etc) I would lose the house. And it's not massive to start with.
Not much to cut down on either. Cheap car. Standard food etc.
Plus, to really make a life change would probably see me dip to 50% pay as my tech skills aren't transferrable out the industry, but to start something new I'm effectively a 19year old with no experience.
In 2009, I "felt" exactly the same way. Hated my job, had all the pressures you've got. There was redundancies at work 45 out of 450. 2 out of 5 in my department. I said, I'd go anywhere and do anything that was legal and paid the bulls at home. Ended up.a limit company contractor for 12 years. Financially the best thung that happened. Career wise. I've learnt to do things and jumped in at the deep end learnt on the fly, and had opportunities to try stuff that I wouldn't hg ave been allowed to.do as a permie. If I earn even <25% less (potentially more freetime, job satisfaction, human engagement etc) I would lose the house. And it's not massive to start with.
Not much to cut down on either. Cheap car. Standard food etc.
Plus, to really make a life change would probably see me dip to 50% pay as my tech skills aren't transferrable out the industry, but to start something new I'm effectively a 19year old with no experience.
Sadly that came at a price where I neglected my marriage, and I'm only now starting to put that right.
But somewhere there's a balance for you.
Note. Now doing a permie role. And not sure I'm liking it.
dibbers006 said:
Plus, to really make a life change would probably see me dip to 50% pay as my tech skills aren't transferrable out the industry, but to start something new I'm effectively a 19year old with no experience.
This is the major problem. Another is the current inflation, with some very sharp rises in fuel costs.
To go from relative comfort to a potentially marginal financial existence would seem crazy, especially to my wife....
I could probably get another job I disliked in a few months' time, but that isn't what I want to do!
Edited by Woodrow Wilson on Friday 1st April 08:27
Woodrow Wilson said:
PositronicRay said:
This works quite well.
A friend jacked in his teaching job, and started doing voluntary stuff for a forestry trust. Liked it so applied for a special educational needs role within the organisation, not successfully but a few weeks later they offered him an alternative position. Tree nursery, works outside, gets to drive a tractor and happy as a pig in shavings
I would probably enjoy that and working with visitors, at least for a few months, to get myself feeling a bit more positive about working and doing something more tangible.A friend jacked in his teaching job, and started doing voluntary stuff for a forestry trust. Liked it so applied for a special educational needs role within the organisation, not successfully but a few weeks later they offered him an alternative position. Tree nursery, works outside, gets to drive a tractor and happy as a pig in shavings
I did work in a couple of plant nurseries when I was a teenager/student and quite enjoyed it.
Edited by Woodrow Wilson on Thursday 31st March 20:49
They're always looking for willing volunteers.
PositronicRay said:
If you like working with the general public places like national trust, English heritage, canal and river trust, dogs trust, cat protection league, are just a few from a long list that may suit.
They're always looking for willing volunteers.
It would be good to do something like that, but it could do with paying me a bit.They're always looking for willing volunteers.
I'm feeling even more frustrated this week. Really hacked off with the situation.
I know that many people don't achieve anything of note in their working life, but I'd like to feel some sort of achievement or satisfaction at some point.
The only thing I can assure you is you're not alone. So if nothing else, you have a sympathetic ear here.
I had a japanese customer rant at me earlier in the week how a proposal I made on a project was all wrong.
He then presented back to me mostly what I had just proposed to him as "his idea".
I have to take it and say "oh yes, thank you for that, yes, what a great idea" - because Japanese way of working.
But his proposal will also not work - it has some flaws, some of the detail would not work - which we had already addressed in our plan.
So I have to now implement my plan, because it's the right one, but present it as his one to massage his ego as he's the customer.
But his message to his boss will be that he had to tell us how to do it. FFS.
Was chatting to a friend last weekend - he reckons all of us (that are competant, anyway), reach this point in our mid 40's.
Anyone in their mid 40's that LOVES what they do around here?
I had a japanese customer rant at me earlier in the week how a proposal I made on a project was all wrong.
He then presented back to me mostly what I had just proposed to him as "his idea".
I have to take it and say "oh yes, thank you for that, yes, what a great idea" - because Japanese way of working.
But his proposal will also not work - it has some flaws, some of the detail would not work - which we had already addressed in our plan.
So I have to now implement my plan, because it's the right one, but present it as his one to massage his ego as he's the customer.
But his message to his boss will be that he had to tell us how to do it. FFS.
Was chatting to a friend last weekend - he reckons all of us (that are competant, anyway), reach this point in our mid 40's.
Anyone in their mid 40's that LOVES what they do around here?
I have been looking for work for a while and just after Christmas thought supermarket delivery driver, low stress, drive around all day, happy customers blah de blah.
Well I lasted 2 months before telling them 'bye bye' for various reasons. I could see the crap pile growing and politely walked before I bit off the driver managers head.
Mostly down to micromanaging by said annoying manager (I was warned numerous times by the other drivers) and unreliable handsets making me late.
Well I lasted 2 months before telling them 'bye bye' for various reasons. I could see the crap pile growing and politely walked before I bit off the driver managers head.
Mostly down to micromanaging by said annoying manager (I was warned numerous times by the other drivers) and unreliable handsets making me late.
Arnold Cunningham said:
Anyone in their mid 40's that LOVES what they do around here?
I did until about 2 yrs ago. Foolishly (benefit of hindsight and all that) took a promotion that moved me from a hands on role to office bound manager.Never been so bored in my whole life. Spend my whole day just typing nonsense into a computer. I'd retire tomorrow if I could afford to.
Interesting and timley thread. Does seem to be common theme for c40 year olds. I'm 39, been working in accountancy for 20 years and am bored senseless. It is getting to the point where I spend more energy to motivate myself to do work than the work it self. I get very little satisfaction out the work and actually really can't stand many of the stereotypical finance people - they the polar opposite to me.
I am a practical bloke at heart, should have done some engineering related. I can weld, paint, do most mechanical work on cars, plumb, fit kitchens and bathrooms. I did a short stint (4 years) in financial systems, learnt SQL built databases and did find that pretty interesting but have moved into a financial controller role thinking it could be interesting but it really isn't. Money is good but my life is dull. Money is barrier to changing roles as I have the typical wife + 2 kids and huge mortgage. Inflation does not help.
I have been looking at renewable energy and am interested in Heat Pumps. I'm thinking of doing my Level 2/3 in plumbing and speailising in that. I get great satisfaction out of practical work with complexitiies to challenge my mind. I reckon I'd enjoy it and would love being out and about. Not sure how easy it is going to be to get work.
I am a practical bloke at heart, should have done some engineering related. I can weld, paint, do most mechanical work on cars, plumb, fit kitchens and bathrooms. I did a short stint (4 years) in financial systems, learnt SQL built databases and did find that pretty interesting but have moved into a financial controller role thinking it could be interesting but it really isn't. Money is good but my life is dull. Money is barrier to changing roles as I have the typical wife + 2 kids and huge mortgage. Inflation does not help.
I have been looking at renewable energy and am interested in Heat Pumps. I'm thinking of doing my Level 2/3 in plumbing and speailising in that. I get great satisfaction out of practical work with complexitiies to challenge my mind. I reckon I'd enjoy it and would love being out and about. Not sure how easy it is going to be to get work.
The Road Crew said:
Arnold Cunningham said:
Anyone in their mid 40's that LOVES what they do around here?
I did until about 2 yrs ago. Foolishly (benefit of hindsight and all that) took a promotion that moved me from a hands on role to office bound manager.Never been so bored in my whole life. Spend my whole day just typing nonsense into a computer. I'd retire tomorrow if I could afford to.
I'm retiring in 5 weeks time and can't wait, though I'm mid 50s I've felt like this for a long time now. Should have stuck at being field based 100% of my time.
NewNameNeeded said:
It's an easy mistake to dislike or rebel against a company culture but remain there, unhappy.
Better to accept the people and culture aren't for you and to find where you fit in elsewhere.
Sorry you're caught in that trap - get gone, and good luck with your future opportunities!
Agree wholeheartedly. I spent many years bouncing around different ineffectual roles, and being chronically bored and underpaid within a bankrupt industry.Better to accept the people and culture aren't for you and to find where you fit in elsewhere.
Sorry you're caught in that trap - get gone, and good luck with your future opportunities!
I stayed as at the time it suited due to family life (home within 5mins of finishing, set hours and so on).
For years I'd practically begged them to sack me and loudly pointed out just how f
king awful the company was.In the end my reason to stay evaporated as I eventually showed my toxic ex wife the door.
Within a 6week period I'd "lost" my wife, child, was heading for bankruptcy.
So I took a chance, jacked the soul destroying job. Took something new that on paper I could do, but in actuality I've been winging the f
k out of for at last 50% of the last 3 years.For a 3-4m period, life was awful. I had f
k all, not a pot to piss in, access via the ex to jnr was a fight, new job terrified me and I was on probation.Then one day, I realised that life was easier. Getting better. A bad day solo, was 10x better than a good day unhappy and married. A bad day with this employer was 10x better than a good day on the steel industry.
Before I even knew it covid19 arrived, for 2years life was a f
king blur. Like, which way was up anymore?But looking back, it made me. Now got a job I love, I've recruited people I can work with. Not dead end lifers. s
t with the ex is bearable, I have jnr more and more.In summary, what I'm getting at is... You'll know when.
I handed my notice in 72hr after British steel went into administration, I'd already got this job secured. My former boss begged me to stay. "Not a f
king chance".He told me this career would rule my life, blah blah.
The day I left, they'd still not sorted anyone to cover my legally required role. They couldn't spend a single penny without the government administrator approving it.
I was meant to be there until 4, giving a handover. But there was no one to hand over to.
1pm, I dumped the keys to the truck, my laptop and phone on his desk. Wished him well, and walked out the gates.
It's a cliche, but I sparked up a jps and skipped out that gate, walking a mile or so to get my car. I then went and sat in the pub for an hour or so, in the sun, collected my thoughts. Realised that I was now:
- Jobless
- Estranged to be divorced
- A weekend dad
- My sole assets were a £1k watch and a fked £1k car
And you know what? It is.
Even when the ex wife stripped the house while I was at work, taking every bulb/curtains, kettle, and possession... So what?
You live. You survive. You get by.
Moral of the story; I spent a decade penned in by misery and fear. Fear of leaving the safe job, fear of losing a wife who hated me anyway, fear of not seeing my son every day.
But f
k me, when you find yourself dreading going to work, and dreading going home... So you're hiding in a mates workshop... It's time to change.My *lightbulb* moment came the day I had to have a stand up row with a director, explaining for the 5th time why his bulls
t idea was at best unviable and at worst illegal. After effing and blinding at him in front of a raft of top brass, while I was a floor level manager ... Just to get him to understand how fked we were, I left that meeting and told my #2:"I'm out. Time for me to go"
Lanky Car Guy said:
NewNameNeeded said:
It's an easy mistake to dislike or rebel against a company culture but remain there, unhappy.
Better to accept the people and culture aren't for you and to find where you fit in elsewhere.
Sorry you're caught in that trap - get gone, and good luck with your future opportunities!
Agree wholeheartedly. I spent many years bouncing around different ineffectual roles, and being chronically bored and underpaid within a bankrupt industry.Better to accept the people and culture aren't for you and to find where you fit in elsewhere.
Sorry you're caught in that trap - get gone, and good luck with your future opportunities!
I stayed as at the time it suited due to family life (home within 5mins of finishing, set hours and so on).
For years I'd practically begged them to sack me and loudly pointed out just how f
king awful the company was.In the end my reason to stay evaporated as I eventually showed my toxic ex wife the door.
Within a 6week period I'd "lost" my wife, child, was heading for bankruptcy.
So I took a chance, jacked the soul destroying job. Took something new that on paper I could do, but in actuality I've been winging the f
k out of for at last 50% of the last 3 years.For a 3-4m period, life was awful. I had f
k all, not a pot to piss in, access via the ex to jnr was a fight, new job terrified me and I was on probation.Then one day, I realised that life was easier. Getting better. A bad day solo, was 10x better than a good day unhappy and married. A bad day with this employer was 10x better than a good day on the steel industry.
Before I even knew it covid19 arrived, for 2years life was a f
king blur. Like, which way was up anymore?But looking back, it made me. Now got a job I love, I've recruited people I can work with. Not dead end lifers. s
t with the ex is bearable, I have jnr more and more.In summary, what I'm getting at is... You'll know when.
I handed my notice in 72hr after British steel went into administration, I'd already got this job secured. My former boss begged me to stay. "Not a f
king chance".He told me this career would rule my life, blah blah.
The day I left, they'd still not sorted anyone to cover my legally required role. They couldn't spend a single penny without the government administrator approving it.
I was meant to be there until 4, giving a handover. But there was no one to hand over to.
1pm, I dumped the keys to the truck, my laptop and phone on his desk. Wished him well, and walked out the gates.
It's a cliche, but I sparked up a jps and skipped out that gate, walking a mile or so to get my car. I then went and sat in the pub for an hour or so, in the sun, collected my thoughts. Realised that I was now:
- Jobless
- Estranged to be divorced
- A weekend dad
- My sole assets were a £1k watch and a fked £1k car
And you know what? It is.
Even when the ex wife stripped the house while I was at work, taking every bulb/curtains, kettle, and possession... So what?
You live. You survive. You get by.
Moral of the story; I spent a decade penned in by misery and fear. Fear of leaving the safe job, fear of losing a wife who hated me anyway, fear of not seeing my son every day.
But f
k me, when you find yourself dreading going to work, and dreading going home... So you're hiding in a mates workshop... It's time to change.My *lightbulb* moment came the day I had to have a stand up row with a director, explaining for the 5th time why his bulls
t idea was at best unviable and at worst illegal. After effing and blinding at him in front of a raft of top brass, while I was a floor level manager ... Just to get him to understand how fked we were, I left that meeting and told my #2:"I'm out. Time for me to go"
Jamescrs said:
I've just been offered a new job completely outside of my current type of work, same pay as now but I need to get out of what i'm doing. I've been in the same type of role for 15 years and i'm moving to a role where most of my current skills are not relevant, and honestly I can't wait.
I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
Now that does sound interesting.I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
How to go about finding leads ?
Register1 said:
Jamescrs said:
I've just been offered a new job completely outside of my current type of work, same pay as now but I need to get out of what i'm doing. I've been in the same type of role for 15 years and i'm moving to a role where most of my current skills are not relevant, and honestly I can't wait.
I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
Now that does sound interesting.I'm 41 myself so I wonder if it is an age thing, maybe i'm in denial about a midlife crisis but I felt like I don't want to see out the rest of my career doing the same job.
When I get to 55 I fully intend to take a big drop in pay and deliver for a courier company if it's still a thing in 14 years, the idea of driving around in a van on my own listening to the radio and delivering parcels with no stress is very appealing.
How to go about finding leads ?
On a serious note I gave up my career in my mid 40's and started my own Chauffeur business and never looked back.
Spent 15 very enjoyable years being paid to do something I loved until I retired.
_Mja_ said:
Interesting and timley thread. Does seem to be common theme for c40 year olds. I'm 39, been working in accountancy for 20 years and am bored senseless. It is getting to the point where I spend more energy to motivate myself to do work than the work it self. I get very little satisfaction out the work and actually really can't stand many of the stereotypical finance people - they the polar opposite to me.
I am a practical bloke at heart, should have done some engineering related. I can weld, paint, do most mechanical work on cars, plumb, fit kitchens and bathrooms. I did a short stint (4 years) in financial systems, learnt SQL built databases and did find that pretty interesting
You probably need to send me your CV and a bit of spheel about yourself. Where in the country do you live?I am a practical bloke at heart, should have done some engineering related. I can weld, paint, do most mechanical work on cars, plumb, fit kitchens and bathrooms. I did a short stint (4 years) in financial systems, learnt SQL built databases and did find that pretty interesting
dibbers006 said:
For anyone coming cold to these sort of threads. Be cautious.
It's easy to get swept up in the idea and be inspired by others actions and outcomes.
But there is a lot of survivor-bias here. Not as many people are going to admit to ditching a secure 9-5 paying the mortgage and building retirement to shoot for their dream which they needed a lightening bolt up the arse and hard work to achieve when the outcome...
... was to lose everything and be eating beans out of a washing machine on their ex-sister-in-laws front yard, estranged children, health complications, and now three years behind the curve of tech / skills / relevant current business knowledge etc.
Most of these successes seem to come from generally fit and healthy, people who had some degree of fall back should the worst happen. They may deny it. But they see the 'worst' as requiring government assistance, or losing a fixed asset or savings.
You may have a hell of a lot more to lose than that.
Your mileage may vary.
Rarely does good advice and internet forum mix, but this is an example of that. It's easy to get swept up in the idea and be inspired by others actions and outcomes.
But there is a lot of survivor-bias here. Not as many people are going to admit to ditching a secure 9-5 paying the mortgage and building retirement to shoot for their dream which they needed a lightening bolt up the arse and hard work to achieve when the outcome...
... was to lose everything and be eating beans out of a washing machine on their ex-sister-in-laws front yard, estranged children, health complications, and now three years behind the curve of tech / skills / relevant current business knowledge etc.
Most of these successes seem to come from generally fit and healthy, people who had some degree of fall back should the worst happen. They may deny it. But they see the 'worst' as requiring government assistance, or losing a fixed asset or savings.
You may have a hell of a lot more to lose than that.
Your mileage may vary.
I can echo this, often ideas can be romanticised and rose tinted. Some people who have left their jobs may well have had nothing in the background and rolled the dice and made their own luck. Lots will have assets, willing partners, no mortgage...
I tend to find that value and appreciation lacking as well as limited opportunities to progress can dismay the most loyal and enthusiastic of employees.
The reality of the situation might be different.
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