Evening meal allowance - London
Discussion
If you're staying overnight in London what does your Company allow you to claim for an evening meal?
Our limit is £35 but we've had quite a few people suggesting it's out of date and should be nearer to £60 per person. In my experience, whilst you may not get a 3 course meal with drinks for £35 it's perfectly possible to get a decent meal for that amount.
Just curious as to what other companies are paying.
Our limit is £35 but we've had quite a few people suggesting it's out of date and should be nearer to £60 per person. In my experience, whilst you may not get a 3 course meal with drinks for £35 it's perfectly possible to get a decent meal for that amount.
Just curious as to what other companies are paying.
fat80b said:
I would say £35 is tight.
Sure you *can* find somewhere to eat at that price but now you have to spend your time checking whether or not you will blow the budget by having just a burger and a pint plus a tip.
In my experience, companies with miserly expenses policies are not much fun to travel for and people tend to avoid travel unless absolutely necessary.
If that’s what they want to achieve then fine but I’d imagine the actual goal is different. If the company wants people to travel because it helps the business, then a few quid extra on the per diem is a necessary to make it work for all parties.
You can bet your bottom dollar the boss isn’t worrying about the per diem when they travel….
During lockdown 95% of our business continued without the need for Travel (all meetings were on Zoom. This kind of reinforced the idea that a lot of travel, especially International, was considered a "jolly" rather than essential. As a result of this our Board want us to cut the T&S budget by at least 30% over the next 3 years. It also looks good on our "Sustainability/CO2" reporting. We've reduced out Hotel room allowance to £180 pppn maximum inside London and £150pppn in the rest of the UK. Mileage is down to 40ppm and we've removed car allowances.Sure you *can* find somewhere to eat at that price but now you have to spend your time checking whether or not you will blow the budget by having just a burger and a pint plus a tip.
In my experience, companies with miserly expenses policies are not much fun to travel for and people tend to avoid travel unless absolutely necessary.
If that’s what they want to achieve then fine but I’d imagine the actual goal is different. If the company wants people to travel because it helps the business, then a few quid extra on the per diem is a necessary to make it work for all parties.
You can bet your bottom dollar the boss isn’t worrying about the per diem when they travel….
My current CEO is great - he (or his PA) always books budget hotels such as Travelodge or Premier Inn. However (human nature being what it is) most people will try to book something for £179.99 because somebody else is paying.
JerseyRoyal said:
Are there no Spoons in London? £35 will get you dinner for a week
I might have mentioned it before but we had a PR Director who point-blank refused to stay in Travelodges in London "because they were full of builders and Eastern European types who'd perv at her whilst she had breakfast".She also said King's Cross was a dodgy area full of prostitutes - I'm not sure how true that is and I didn't want to go into too much detail.
Panamax said:
Also, £35 ain't much cash for an evening meal in London. Essentially £31 of menu price before the 12.5% service charge gets added. Unless you drink only tap water you'll need to be eating "the cheapest food available" which doesn't sound much of a substitute for being at home.
I normally stay close to Euston and the ones I normally go to areCarluccio's near St Pancras
Agra on Whitfield Street
Steak & Lobster near Warren Street
Prezzo near Euston
I'm not into fine dining so I don't know where the above rank on the scale of "Povvo Chav" to "PBPHD standard" but they all seemed ok to me and well within the £35ph allowance.
ETA we don't allow alcohol unless it's a client meeting.
CheesecakeRunner said:
We get £30 for evening meal, it can include alcohol but not be majority booze. It been that forever, and we get regular moans about it. £35 might be more appropriate these days, but I’ve never had a problem with it covering a meal in central London and I’m there a lot. Yes, it won’t pay for a flash meal, and I’ll often forgo booze but it’ll do the job. You’re away for work, not a city break holiday. It’s meant to sustain you, that’s all.
In fact, most of the time I book “aparthotels” so I have cooking facilities and go to the supermarket. 30 quid goes a long way then.
Agree with you on every point.In fact, most of the time I book “aparthotels” so I have cooking facilities and go to the supermarket. 30 quid goes a long way then.
Especially the Aparthotels (I normally stay in Staybridge Suites if I can) - because you've basically got a kitchen and dining space I usually get a takeaway or Deliveroo/Just Eat and eat in the room. You get a lot more food/drink for your money and you can have the TV on in the background while you read the IPad / newspaper. Its basically like being at home
boyse7en said:
I didn't know there was such a thing as "unreceipted expenses". I have t get a receipt for everything if i need to claim it back, which can be a right PITA at times. Try getting a VAT receipt out of a burger van!
Anyway, back to the OP. Last time i was in London i got a curry and a pint in Shoreditch for about £20. £35 should easily get a meal somewhere.
I didn't think so either I think HMRC have a limit of £5 per day for expenses if you havent got a receipt, otherwise they're taxableAnyway, back to the OP. Last time i was in London i got a curry and a pint in Shoreditch for about £20. £35 should easily get a meal somewhere.
MrBig said:
QuartzDad said:
Our global policy is batst crazy, there is a 100 page pdf listing random towns/cities/regions with max hotel rates such as
Berkshire £66
Coventry £106
Edgware £110
England £88
Heathrow £87
London £125
Salford £144
Wembley £155
Milton Keynes £181
Rotherham £38
Middlesex £42
I have so many questions...Berkshire £66
Coventry £106
Edgware £110
England £88
Heathrow £87
London £125
Salford £144
Wembley £155
Milton Keynes £181
Rotherham £38
Middlesex £42
basherX said:
The Agra! My university rugby eatery of choice on a Wednesday evening. Glad to hear it's still going 30 years later.
It's my favourite (my youngest was at UCL just round the corner )so I'd arrange to meet up with her whenever I was in London for work. It's very "old school" it reminds me of Bradford in the 1980's Prices have gone up though and portion sizes have gone down- Between us we used to be able to have a starter, a main, and two naans for about £25. Last time it was closer to £35
StevieBee said:
There are different rules relating to international work. When working overseas (also for myself), the most important documents to retain are the boarding cards. These prove you left and returned according to the dates of any per-diem claim. Obviously without a receipt you cannot claim back any VAT but when you go to paces like Sierra Leone, the idea of a receipt for anything is somewhat optimistic, hence the higher tax free allowance.
Cheers - every day's a school day!fat80b said:
I would say £35 is tight.
Sure you *can* find somewhere to eat at that price but now you have to spend your time checking whether or not you will blow the budget by having just a burger and a pint plus a tip.
In my experience, companies with miserly expenses policies are not much fun to travel for and people tend to avoid travel unless absolutely necessary.
If that’s what they want to achieve then fine but I’d imagine the actual goal is different. If the company wants people to travel because it helps the business, then a few quid extra on the per diem is a necessary to make it work for all parties.
You can bet your bottom dollar the boss isn’t worrying about the per diem when they travel….
Double post Sure you *can* find somewhere to eat at that price but now you have to spend your time checking whether or not you will blow the budget by having just a burger and a pint plus a tip.
In my experience, companies with miserly expenses policies are not much fun to travel for and people tend to avoid travel unless absolutely necessary.
If that’s what they want to achieve then fine but I’d imagine the actual goal is different. If the company wants people to travel because it helps the business, then a few quid extra on the per diem is a necessary to make it work for all parties.
You can bet your bottom dollar the boss isn’t worrying about the per diem when they travel….
re: the boss not worrying - if he's the owner or major shareholder that's absolutely fine. If he isn't then he should comply with the Policy or the FD should report him to the Board.
Panamax said:
That sounds fairly sensible to me. It's not going to be one long party but at least the basics are covered. Companies who pay less must surely be in danger of losing good staff, which is highly counter-productive.
It's an interesting question and probably one for another thread i.e how important is the expenses policy in relation to other job-reated perks? For example rank the following in order of importance Pay
Bonus
Pension
Car allowance
Annual Leave
Quality of office
Quality of IT equipment (new Laptops, Ipads, and mobile phone every year)
Free car parking
expenses policy
I guess my point is there are lots of hygiene factors that impact on job satisfaction. Expenses might be important to some but it's going to be way down the list IME
loskie said:
no Corporate Travel Management(CTM) prior to that something like Carlson Travelit
Redfern used to provide vouchers for staff bonuses. Travel too IIRC
IIRC what is now CTM used to be called Redfern. Completely unrelated but they have (or had) the contract for housing asylum seekers on those cruise ships.Redfern used to provide vouchers for staff bonuses. Travel too IIRC
basherX said:
journeymanpro said:
Some proper miserable sounding places to work here.
The general rule of thumb for my place is don't take the pee, I've never been questioned and usually spend £40-45 inc a couple of pints.
This is what ours says, the policy’s explicit that there’s too much variation globally to meaningfully impose limits so behave reasonably and if you think you might be doing something marginal ask your line. Lunch specifically excluded when travelling to other company sites in the UK but not for foreign travel. FTSE100 company fwiw. The general rule of thumb for my place is don't take the pee, I've never been questioned and usually spend £40-45 inc a couple of pints.
IME policies need to be very clear for the benefit of both the employee and the employer. By all means have an allowance that says "Daily limit £3000" but then it's clear to all staff what the limit is. "Don;t take the pee" is just a HR headache waiting to happen.
Blown2CV said:
i used to travel all over for work, and i was working with a large bank in London. Normally I'd have to pay for hotel and food etc but on this occasion they said do i want to stay in one of their managed apartments for free. I said mega, thanks. It was a lovely place, fully stocked cupboards so no need to claim anything, I thought. Then I saw there was nothing to wash my hands with as they'd run out. No issue I thought, I will pop over to the supermarket over the road and buy a bar of soap. As part of a wider trip I chucked that £1 bar of soap in to expenses, and it was rejected by one of the said embittered middle aged women! So what would have been the cost of a night in a london hotel plus subsistence etc turned into a quid and she said no.
We don't allow any personal grooming products (toothpaste, facewash, makeup, hair dye/gel, shaving cream, razors). If you need it you buy it and pay for it.h0b0 said:
This was back in 2004 so things have changed. I do not remember all the details. But, back then I think you had to pay $20 to collect points from your corporate AMEX on your personal card.
Edited to add....
It was that any points being collected on a corp card that were not linked to a personal card were pooled. The company could then use these points for discounts or benefits. Somehow, the lady in expenses was spending the company points.
Today I see my corp card and personal card collecting together.
I think, instead of points, our Corporate Credit card gives us a 0.5% cashback (which goes into the company's account). However if somebody derived an incidental benefit then we wouldn't insist they pay it back to the company.Edited to add....
It was that any points being collected on a corp card that were not linked to a personal card were pooled. The company could then use these points for discounts or benefits. Somehow, the lady in expenses was spending the company points.
Today I see my corp card and personal card collecting together.
Edited by h0b0 on Wednesday 1st May 14:14
For example our IT team use their CC for amazon purchases and they have Prime for next day delivery, which means they probably get free TV. i
Blown2CV said:
Countdown said:
Blown2CV said:
i used to travel all over for work, and i was working with a large bank in London. Normally I'd have to pay for hotel and food etc but on this occasion they said do i want to stay in one of their managed apartments for free. I said mega, thanks. It was a lovely place, fully stocked cupboards so no need to claim anything, I thought. Then I saw there was nothing to wash my hands with as they'd run out. No issue I thought, I will pop over to the supermarket over the road and buy a bar of soap. As part of a wider trip I chucked that £1 bar of soap in to expenses, and it was rejected by one of the said embittered middle aged women! So what would have been the cost of a night in a london hotel plus subsistence etc turned into a quid and she said no.
We don't allow any personal grooming products (toothpaste, facewash, makeup, hair dye/gel, shaving cream, razors). If you need it you buy it and pay for it.Where a Policy isn't absolutely clear some people will always play the faux-naif card.
QuartzDad said:
vikingaero said:
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When you submit your expenses, if a manager approves it up to £500, you get the amount the same day. If they fail to approve it within 72 hours and it is below £500, you are automatically paid.
Sigh. My last employer was like that, my current one has recently moved to Concur for expenses. I got paid today for a chunky claim that was submitted on 8th April.When you submit your expenses, if a manager approves it up to £500, you get the amount the same day. If they fail to approve it within 72 hours and it is below £500, you are automatically paid.
We process staff expenses weekly so you get paid in as little as 3 days if your line manager approves them.
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