1 series M coupe spotted
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The car is nervous at speed but that s because of the shorter wheel base in combination with turbo.
Add big wide grippy tires and a variable 0 to 100% lock diff and the party has begun.
If the 1M had a 25% or 40% plate diff the back end would react less extreme. But in a drift the 0 to 100% lock is a dream.
If you don t like it drive in mdm modus you will not have a problem.
Add big wide grippy tires and a variable 0 to 100% lock diff and the party has begun.
If the 1M had a 25% or 40% plate diff the back end would react less extreme. But in a drift the 0 to 100% lock is a dream.
If you don t like it drive in mdm modus you will not have a problem.
Pugsey said:
It's a 'nervous' car at speed - wet or dry. At +100 thingies over the w/e the 1M held my attention when it found a few undulations (that I'd never noticed before) on a fast dual carriageway corner where frankly an M3, Cayman/997S/whatever would have felt a rock solid 'non event' round. Similarly it felt very 'tiptoey' under late braking where again other cars have not. Couple of times I thought the car in front was belting along very nicely only to be a bit disappointed/suprised when I glanced at the speedo. Personally I think the full blown M3 Competition wheels and tyre combo are wrong (too big) for the car. On the other hand they look soooo good.................... And of course quick cars - certainly on track - often feel nrevous.
Don't get me wrong it'll take afforesaid corner as quickly as the other cars (maybe quicker) but it'll be a more exciting ride - which may be good or bad depending on what you're looking for. If I was ready to be 100% 'on it' for a 200 mile mixed roads trip I'd take the 1M and expect to get there before an M3 (thanks largely to far superior torque and therefore instant any gear overtaking ability plus more manageable size on smaller B roads). If I had 600 miles across France to cover in a hurry but feeling secure and relaxed I'd take an M3. The 1M is more a '997GT3' against the M3's 'Turbo'. different folks will buy them.
An interesting update and I think you've hit the nail on the head when you say "depending on what you're looking for". I've not driven a 1M but I can certainly see the advantage of lots of torque over a wide rev range. However, if I'm interpreting correctly, I'm not getting the impression that this is a car that flows; I more get the feeling it's one that demands effort to get the best of out it and perhaps even has the potential to punish if you don't have your wits about you. Nothing wrong in that of course and it's great fun when you're in the mood; however, possibly a bit wearing when you're not?!Don't get me wrong it'll take afforesaid corner as quickly as the other cars (maybe quicker) but it'll be a more exciting ride - which may be good or bad depending on what you're looking for. If I was ready to be 100% 'on it' for a 200 mile mixed roads trip I'd take the 1M and expect to get there before an M3 (thanks largely to far superior torque and therefore instant any gear overtaking ability plus more manageable size on smaller B roads). If I had 600 miles across France to cover in a hurry but feeling secure and relaxed I'd take an M3. The 1M is more a '997GT3' against the M3's 'Turbo'. different folks will buy them.
Edited by Pugsey on Monday 27th June 12:55
If I was guessing I'd say I'd enjoy a drive in a 1M but would probably enjoy owning a B3S as my daily driver rather more; if you think that makes me sound a bit middle-aged you're sadly correct!!
Advevo said:
The car is nervous at speed but that s because of the shorter wheel base in combination with turbo.
Add big wide grippy tires and a variable 0 to 100% lock diff and the party has begun.
If the 1M had a 25% or 40% plate diff the back end would react less extreme. But in a drift the 0 to 100% lock is a dream.
If you don t like it drive in mdm modus you will not have a problem.
also similar track front & rear?Add big wide grippy tires and a variable 0 to 100% lock diff and the party has begun.
If the 1M had a 25% or 40% plate diff the back end would react less extreme. But in a drift the 0 to 100% lock is a dream.
If you don t like it drive in mdm modus you will not have a problem.
Advevo said:
The car is nervous at speed but that s because of the shorter wheel base in combination with turbo.
Add big wide grippy tires and a variable 0 to 100% lock diff and the party has begun.
If the 1M had a 25% or 40% plate diff the back end would react less extreme. But in a drift the 0 to 100% lock is a dream.
If you don t like it drive in mdm modus you will not have a problem.
Advevo have you done any youtube videos with the 1m like you used to?Add big wide grippy tires and a variable 0 to 100% lock diff and the party has begun.
If the 1M had a 25% or 40% plate diff the back end would react less extreme. But in a drift the 0 to 100% lock is a dream.
If you don t like it drive in mdm modus you will not have a problem.
I needed to change the 997 GT3.2, so i tried an M3 V8 DCT. I just couldn't get on with it, felt too heavy and cumbersome. The DCT box was good, and the engine sounded fantastic when pressing on, but it just had very little sparkle, almost as if something was missing. For me, it's not a car i could jump in and go for a play.
Drove the 1M a few weeks ago. WoW! Now this car has character. This car IS pure entertainment. Definitely a car you would jump in and go for a blast. This is what the M3 should of been all about, and tbh i think BMW might learn a thing or two with this 1M.... and put them into the next M3. Hopefully.
Drove the 1M a few weeks ago. WoW! Now this car has character. This car IS pure entertainment. Definitely a car you would jump in and go for a blast. This is what the M3 should of been all about, and tbh i think BMW might learn a thing or two with this 1M.... and put them into the next M3. Hopefully.
Phooey said:
.. This is what the M3 should of been all about, and tbh i think BMW might learn a thing or two with this 1M.... and put them into the next M3. Hopefully.
The 1M has set such a high bar that there will be overlaps between the new M3 & M5 as tuners get their hands on the cars.I think the 1M really should have been an M2.
Edited by Mermaid on Monday 27th June 14:41
Richy
Here is a little 1M teaser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69latq7FgTg
I am busy with a new one with very nice long drifts in it. Be patient.
Here is a little 1M teaser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69latq7FgTg
I am busy with a new one with very nice long drifts in it. Be patient.
E21_Ross said:
It's interesting that so many people always say that cars these days take care of the driving and take the fun out of it. BMW release this, then people say that it looks like a handful and they wouldn't like it.
Strange.
Not me guv. Loved it. But, still need to describe handling with honesty rather than big it up or get defensive as owners of some cars do. 'Nervous' was good for the purposes I bought the car for but might not be for others. Although some of it is down to wheel/tyre combo and diff I suspect some very simple suspension tweaks would easily change the handling characteristics - should you want to.Strange.
clived said:
I think the truth is that it's easy to get it sideways.... when you want to. I was driving in torrential rain in south-west Wales on the twisties on Friday evening and it felt nothing but safe and totally planted. But I wasn't being a nob :-)
Saying it's 'nervous' is making a statement relative to other cars. Very quick and safe in the wet IMHO but not as 'solid' as say, an M3. Which is NOT to say it's not planted. I'm talking degrees here. Nice angles of slip easily achievable on road in total safety - which might actually make it 'safer' for some than an M3 where the transition is a little more sudden.ecain63 said:
I don't know why you're all getting so hung up on the 1M's 'practical performance car' status. I'm pretty sure you guys who bought a 1M didn't do it because of the back seats or the boot space.
Why not...?It's pretty much why I bought a 135i, so don't see why the 1M shouldn't appeal in the same way.
I much prefer 'sports saloons' over 'sports cars'.... probably because, decades ago, I used to own Escort RS's, Sunbeam-Lotus etc.
It's fair to say that I only had passengers in the rear of the 135i a handful of times over 3 years (although it was nice to know I could if needed) and I expect the same will be true of the 1M, the boot-space is a big factor. Easy to fill it up with a weekend bag, a couple of bags of camera gear, tripod, monopod, walking shoes, jackets etc. Also essential that it can easily swallow a full size suitacase. I'm never going to want to drive the Defender back from Heathrow after an overnight flight, and I can't assume the houshold E cabriolet will be at my beck and call - and not being lottery winners we don't have a RS6 estate or RR Vogue also in the fleet, so my daily drive, the 1M, does need to be at least fairly practical, and comfortable. And have toys.
E21_Ross said:
It's interesting that so many people always say that cars these days take care of the driving and take the fun out of it. BMW release this, then people say that it looks like a handful and they wouldn't like it.
Strange.
I can't say whether a 1M is or isn't a handful as I haven't driven one; I get the impression that "handful" would probably be overstating it somewhat but that's a guess on my part. However, one thing I can say is that it's perfectly possible to have cars that are rewarding and fun to drive without being a handful (witness just about any Lotus you care to mention or an E46 M3 CS if you want an example from BMW's own M-sport division). Therefore, in my view a road car that's a genuine handful is simply badly engineered and I don't think it's at all strange that people wouldn't like it; to reiterate, though, I'm not accusing the 1M of falling into that category!Strange.
JNW1 said:
E21_Ross said:
It's interesting that so many people always say that cars these days take care of the driving and take the fun out of it. BMW release this, then people say that it looks like a handful and they wouldn't like it.
Strange.
I can't say whether a 1M is or isn't a handful as I haven't driven one; I get the impression that "handful" would probably be overstating it somewhat but that's a guess on my part. However, one thing I can say is that it's perfectly possible to have cars that are rewarding and fun to drive without being a handful (witness just about any Lotus you care to mention or an E46 M3 CS if you want an example from BMW's own M-sport division). Therefore, in my view a road car that's a genuine handful is simply badly engineered and I don't think it's at all strange that people wouldn't like it; to reiterate, though, I'm not accusing the 1M of falling into that category!Strange.
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