Grand Designs - 4th March

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Davi

17,153 posts

222 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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onemorelap said:
Steamer said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Announced pregnancy in 5, 4, 3, 2..........
I think that would be more of a miracle project than completing the house on budget!
Kevin did say it was the 1st one ever where he came in through the back doors though..... thumbup

Liked the house, liked the efficiency of the process, hell of a risk with pre-ordering the windows, liked the staircase but thought it looked more dramatic in its "as delivered" state than the finished article.
I liked the staircase, I'm yet to fathom how it took four months or cost £40k.

scotal

8,751 posts

281 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Davi said:
onemorelap said:
Steamer said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Announced pregnancy in 5, 4, 3, 2..........
I think that would be more of a miracle project than completing the house on budget!
Kevin did say it was the 1st one ever where he came in through the back doors though..... thumbup

Liked the house, liked the efficiency of the process, hell of a risk with pre-ordering the windows, liked the staircase but thought it looked more dramatic in its "as delivered" state than the finished article.
I liked the staircase, I'm yet to fathom how it took four months or cost £40k.
No surprise the boat builder looked pretty chilled though eh?

r1chardb

223 posts

244 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Davi said:
onemorelap said:
Steamer said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Announced pregnancy in 5, 4, 3, 2..........
I think that would be more of a miracle project than completing the house on budget!
Kevin did say it was the 1st one ever where he came in through the back doors though..... thumbup

Liked the house, liked the efficiency of the process, hell of a risk with pre-ordering the windows, liked the staircase but thought it looked more dramatic in its "as delivered" state than the finished article.
I liked the staircase, I'm yet to fathom how it took four months or cost £40k.
That's what happens if you manage to convince your client that "artisan" means something more than a skilled manual worker or carpenter - fair play to the guy, he got to fiddle around, probably part time on one small job for 4 months during a credit crunch!

Edited by r1chardb on Thursday 5th March 16:18

FourWheelDrift

88,707 posts

286 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Davi said:
I liked the staircase, I'm yet to fathom how it took four months or cost £40k.
Because he needed 10,000 tubes of Superglue to make it stick. They're quite small and he had to spread the purchasing out in case the woman at Homebase thought he was a sniffer.

Davi

17,153 posts

222 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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scotal said:
Davi said:
onemorelap said:
Steamer said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Announced pregnancy in 5, 4, 3, 2..........
I think that would be more of a miracle project than completing the house on budget!
Kevin did say it was the 1st one ever where he came in through the back doors though..... thumbup

Liked the house, liked the efficiency of the process, hell of a risk with pre-ordering the windows, liked the staircase but thought it looked more dramatic in its "as delivered" state than the finished article.
I liked the staircase, I'm yet to fathom how it took four months or cost £40k.
No surprise the boat builder looked pretty chilled though eh?
That's one way of putting it!

If it had been a perfect finish all over (i.e. every joint had to be exact, the timber surface free of imperfections) then maybe.. maybe I could begin to understand. A bit.

I reckon 3 weeks full time on that at the absolute maximum.

Snoggledog

7,277 posts

219 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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sleep envy said:
Snoggledog said:
Trommel said:
dugt said:
but paying £40,000 for a stair case is really top end prices, id have wanted it finnished much better for that money
What did you think was was wrong with the finish?
I know boat builders who'd laugh at the quality of that work. Hideous. Truly hideous. If the job had been done properly it wouldn't have needed to be painted to hide the snoggledogs
would you have rather have seen unpainted epoxy resin?
If it had been built properly the wood would only have needed some epifanes or two pot clear coat epoxy.

outnumbered

4,117 posts

236 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Davi said:
I liked the staircase, I'm yet to fathom how it took four months or cost £40k.
That's easy. It wasn't just a staircase, it was an sculpture/art installation. Hence, name your price!

sleep envy

Original Poster:

62,260 posts

251 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Snoggledog said:
If it had been built properly the wood would only have needed some epifanes or two pot clear coat epoxy.
how would you build it properly?

it seemed to be that he had to join the split timber so you would have seen the butting

Mello

4,645 posts

236 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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I dont like modern and would always prefer an old farmhouse. However, I thought this one was very nice... but... £40K FOR A STAIRCASE!!!! World's gone mad. FORTY GRAND!!!!! FORTY!?

I liked the fancy gates too.

Davi

17,153 posts

222 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Mello said:
I dont like modern and would always prefer an old farmhouse. However, I thought this one was very nice... but... £40K FOR A STAIRCASE!!!! World's gone mad. FORTY GRAND!!!!! FORTY!?

I liked the fancy gates too.
The gates were very original (providing you've never seen the ironwork at the Eden project... wink )

Snoggledog

7,277 posts

219 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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sleep envy said:
Snoggledog said:
If it had been built properly the wood would only have needed some epifanes or two pot clear coat epoxy.
how would you build it properly?

it seemed to be that he had to join the split timber so you would have seen the butting
I don't profess to knowing enough to be able to build something like that. However, the chap who built it was supposed to be an ex-boat builder. I know boat builders who can match grains across both wood and sheets of ply seamlessly. I've seen the quality of their work first hand and what was produced was imho, poor.

eta. One boat I remember in particular. Built in 1982. 6 days after it was built a Volvo drove into the back of it wrecking the last 5 feet. The insurance company wanted to write it off but the owner persuaded them otherwise and found a boat builder who could repair it inside 2 weeks as it was needed at the championships. 24 years later the same boat builder who'd fixed it was doing some more work on it as it required a little tlc. He pointed out the joins in the timber saying that it was sad that he'd done such a poor job but he'd been rushed. My father who owns the boat had never even seen the joins and it was only by looking really carefully that you could see where the timbers and ply sheets had been blended in to the original planking.

If a job is done properly in wood it should be seamless.

Edited by Snoggledog on Thursday 5th March 22:39

cardigankid

8,849 posts

214 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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Yes. Apart from being too small and uncomfortably narrow, it looked like a pig's ear before they painted it.

This is the trouble with recruiting your own artists. A. They are expensive B. A lot of them aren't really artists and C. A lot of them aren't really tradesmen either.

What they are are apprentice local craft workers. I would only apply the term craftsman to a freemason or someone who genuinely knew what they were about.

sleep envy

Original Poster:

62,260 posts

251 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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cardigankid said:
I would only apply the term craftsman to a freemason or someone who genuinely knew what they were about.
entered apprentice, fellow craft or master?

davido140

9,614 posts

228 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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jules_s said:
speedychrissie said:
It is interesting how much this one has split opinions. I personally thought it was one of the nicest outcomes of the recent episodes. I understand that it isnt very traditional but I thought it was very well thought out and came together very nicely indeed.

And am I the only person here who actually liked the staircase? In my opinion it was marvelous! Maybe I am seeing it more from a woodworkers perspective scratchchin
Yes indeed,

It was a large budget for what was built, if you can afford the craftsmen/designers to make it happen then it does.

4 months and 40k on that staircase was absolutely beyond belief....for that time/money i would have expected it to be finished not painted rolleyes

And 13 months to build that?

Jesus.
Agreed, the cost of that staircase for the end result was mind boggling, I have a funny feeling it was a case of employing as many of thier terribly posh chums as they could.

Seems to be pretty good money in it though, 10k a month.. nice.

Also, where is this idylic farming community, populated by skilled craftsmen and artisans?


Simpo Two

85,815 posts

267 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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davido140 said:
Also, where is this idylic farming community, populated by skilled craftsmen and artisans?
It used to be called England. Not sure where it is now.

davido140

9,614 posts

228 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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Simpo Two said:
davido140 said:
Also, where is this idylic farming community, populated by skilled craftsmen and artisans?
It used to be called England. Not sure where it is now.
smile

DippedHeadlights

419 posts

206 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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schmalex said:
How can you have a farmhouse without an Aga?

Pah
Because it would make the place too hot given the insulation in a new build.
The cooker was a Mercury, same as we have, superb bit of kit and a Pistonhead type of cooker, fab design, see the logo on the bottom, very automotive and super colours with NO brass.

DH

Davi

17,153 posts

222 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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DippedHeadlights said:
The cooker was a Mercury, same as we have, superb bit of kit and a Pistonhead type of cooker,
DH
Very expensive, looks good but in reality does nothing (or possibly less than) models half the price do. wink

davido140

9,614 posts

228 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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Davi said:
DippedHeadlights said:
The cooker was a Mercury, same as we have, superb bit of kit and a Pistonhead type of cooker,
DH
Very expensive, looks good but in reality does nothing (or possibly less than) models half the price do. wink
As Davi said, a very PH piece of kit then! smile

A TVR doesnt have foldy seats like a Mariva but I know which I'd rather have wink

DippedHeadlights

419 posts

206 months

Friday 6th March 2009
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Davi said:
DippedHeadlights said:
The cooker was a Mercury, same as we have, superb bit of kit and a Pistonhead type of cooker,
DH
Very expensive, looks good but in reality does nothing (or possibly less than) models half the price do. wink
That's what I mean by automotive !!!

Seriously yes the retail price is high but new ex Demo pop up on fleabay for half list - where ours came from.
Yes there are cheaper ways to cook but once you see the design in real life and the quality of the build... well automotively it's closest to a brand like Bentley.
The service and support from Mercury is awesome as well.
When Mrs DH saw the Mercury in John Lewis then found one on Ebay and suggested spending almost 2 grand I wasn't convinced but 3 years on no regrets at all.