Do you pay your TV licence fee?

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funinhounslow

1,682 posts

144 months

Thursday 16th May
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WarrenB said:
When I moved in I declared that I didn't need a licence, I don't use iPlayer or watch live TV. None of the TVs are connecting up to an aerial. The letters finally stopped.
But you shouldn’t have to do this to avoid being hassled. You didn’t write to Sky, Netflix, Disney + to declare you’re not a customer therefore they shouldn’t send you bills I assume…

PhilboSE said:
“As you have failed to respond to our previous letters you have given us no option but to commence enforcement action against you. You can expect a visit from one of our Enforcement Officers where you will be interviewed under caution”.

What annoys me is the BBC hides behind the “TV Licensing” brand when sending this nonsense out. If they really think this is an acceptable way to behave why don’t they send these ridiculous letters out on BBC headed notepaper?

andyA700

2,840 posts

39 months

Thursday 16th May
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Zarco said:
Cotty said:
If you don't watch live TV on any channel or service then you don't need to pay the licence.
I thought you did to use i-player.
You are correct. Most people though, don't know that you do NOT need a licence to listen to any BBC radio on a TV.

https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-on...

Cotty

39,719 posts

286 months

Thursday 16th May
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Zarco said:
Cotty said:
If you don't watch live TV on any channel or service then you don't need to pay the licence.
I thought you did to use i-player.
Sorry yes that is the anomaly, its the only on demand streaming service that you need a licence to watch. Even though the licence is only for live TV.

Randy Winkman

16,419 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th May
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James6112 said:
Always had a TV licence as much prefer the BBC output to the other channels. Both TV, Radio, iplayer etc.
Cheap as chips.

No SkyTv or Virgin etc.
Same for me. Total bargain.

But I do symathise with those that dont use the BBC and therefore don't want to pay for it. I'm sure the current model for funding it will go at some point.

DanL

6,285 posts

267 months

Thursday 16th May
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Randy Winkman said:
James6112 said:
Always had a TV licence as much prefer the BBC output to the other channels. Both TV, Radio, iplayer etc.
Cheap as chips.

No SkyTv or Virgin etc.
Same for me. Total bargain.

But I do symathise with those that dont use the BBC and therefore don't want to pay for it. I'm sure the current model for funding it will go at some point.
In my case it’s not just that I don’t use the BBC - I don’t watch any UK broadcast TV.

I just watch YouTube, Netflix, Disney+, etc. I don’t even have the other channels’ catch up services…

FiF

44,356 posts

253 months

Thursday 16th May
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Ken Figenus said:
Genuinely think this is going to end up in a mini Post Office like sh show as what TV Licensing declare in writing as being an illegal activity and threaten people with prosecution for often isn't consistent, accurate or based on the actual legislation. They purposefully mislead and overstep, in writing, and may have convicted people based on that. Capita must be performance based so lever...?
Also don't forget that many of the prosecutions use the Single Justice Procedure which even the magistrate's association are criticising.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/magistrates-unco...

Some might say that if someone doesn't respond in 21days to an enforcement notice they have only themselves to blame. On the other hand by selecting your case to be heard by the SJP and thus avoiding a court appearance there is absolutely no guarantee that any plea or mitigation will actually be seen and the case will be decided upon in seconds, literally seconds. Some of the most vulnerable people in society potentially thus suffer harm by a flawed prosecution.

PhilboSE

4,441 posts

228 months

Thursday 16th May
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Cotty said:
Are you sure that wording is correct. I know they like to act belligerent, but they can't interview you under caution, they don't have that power.
It’s nearly verbatim. It definitely used the words “under caution”. What they mean is that they’ll have body cameras and will warn me when I open the door that they are recording and could use it in court. As usual the language they use is designed to make it look like the door steppers have more power than they do - which is basically, zero.

Each of their questions will be blanked and I’ll ask them the same question in return, because I have no more obligations to them than they do to me.

“What’s your name?”
“I’m not going to tell you. What’s your name?”

Etc. I recognise that this is dick behaviour and it’s very unlike my usual way of behaving, but their whole approach to this annoys me - including their blatant disregard of the law.

Cotty

39,719 posts

286 months

Thursday 16th May
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Easier to just not open the door, they can go and waste someone else time.

FiF

44,356 posts

253 months

Thursday 16th May
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Suspect this post will not sit well with many of the posters on here.

They should listen to the first part of this, just call me a lefty luvvie, but in my opinion there's a lot of quite reasonable points made. First part, roughly up to 15 mins.

https://youtu.be/4k_KNjSfH7s?si=5Ci5DvjvhgIL7qhN

Having said all that was quite amused by a revelation on another edition discussing W1A, and Marina's husband was reported as admitting that BBC staff were bewildered as to why viewers were laughing at W1A as "it's just our normal day!"

Pay licence fee, happy to do so, have lived and travelled in other countries and recognise that BBC is both outstanding, and simultaneously infuriating sometimes the latter dependant on the strength of personal political opinion, and that applies from both left and right. As are other broadcasters especially in USA.

Cue usuals going "but Lineker."

Let there be sensible discussion moving forward to 2027.

DanL

6,285 posts

267 months

Thursday 16th May
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FiF said:
Suspect this post will not sit well with many of the posters on here.

They should listen to the first part of this, just call me a lefty luvvie, but in my opinion there's a lot of quite reasonable points made. First part, roughly up to 15 mins.

It’s an interesting listen, and despite not paying the licence fee I do think the BBC has a place. If they just used £15 a month out of my tax to fund the BBC I’d be fine with that in a way that I’m sure a number of the posters on this thread would not be.

However, if they give me an option to not pay for something that I don’t personally use, I’m going to opt out of paying it…

markiii

3,669 posts

196 months

Thursday 16th May
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some good points but they were just stared without any evidence, examples or reasoning, with the basic premise "you;d be stupid not to realise this"

rather reflects the whole problem imho

KAgantua

3,942 posts

133 months

Thursday 16th May
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markiii said:
some good points but they were just stared without any evidence, examples or reasoning, with the basic premise "you;d be stupid not to realise this"

rather reflects the whole problem imho
Agreed, BBC and its advocates do have a bit of entitlement going on.

White-Noise

4,374 posts

250 months

Thursday 16th May
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Cancelled mine last year. The bbc does some great stuff but it also has some big issues. I really hate the way it's used mainly to fund the bbc and yet its hidden behind a licence and with certain conditions to use it. Why should someone pay to fund the bbc if they only want to watch live streams of whatever on YouTube. It's not right. The bbc has major problems coming down the road it either needs to move with the times or it's going to struggle to survive anything like it is now. The bbc own attitude really doesn't help itself either.

Cotty

39,719 posts

286 months

Thursday 16th May
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FiF said:
Suspect this post will not sit well with many of the posters on here.

They should listen to the first part of this, just call me a lefty luvvie, but in my opinion there's a lot of quite reasonable points made. First part, roughly up to 15 mins.

https://youtu.be/4k_KNjSfH7s?si=5Ci5DvjvhgIL7qhN
I watched it but its the same old comments about how great the BBC. But if its so great why is it that they want to prevent you watching live TV that they don't produce unless you pay them?

Also did you realise the irony of posting a YouTube link so people can watch people selling the BBC, but they don't have to pay to watch it as it isn't live?

FiF

44,356 posts

253 months

Thursday 16th May
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Cotty said:
FiF said:
Suspect this post will not sit well with many of the posters on here.

They should listen to the first part of this, just call me a lefty luvvie, but in my opinion there's a lot of quite reasonable points made. First part, roughly up to 15 mins.

https://youtu.be/4k_KNjSfH7s?si=5Ci5DvjvhgIL7qhN
I watched it but its the same old comments about how great the BBC. But if its so great why is it that they want to prevent you watching live TV that they don't produce unless you pay them?

Also did you realise the irony of posting a YouTube link so people can watch people selling the BBC, but they don't have to pay to watch it as it isn't live?
Could have posted the podcast instead, there is no irony except in your mind. Just that the funding model for YouTube and that podcast is different to the BBC, it all has to be paid for somehow.

Then complaining about paying to watch TV that they haven't made which you can't watch unless you pay? You mean like the streamers Netflix , Sky etc.

rofl

Then compare the cost of some of the streamers with their very narrow production portfolio with the wide range of programmes that the BBC makes and is legally required to make. All for the cost that doesn't cover more than a few months of Sky for example. Still if you're anti BBC that's your opinion and fair enough, it's an opinion. BBC certainly isn't perfect and neither is the licence fee and the way it's imposed and enforced.


Cotty

39,719 posts

286 months

Thursday 16th May
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FiF said:
Then complaining about paying to watch TV that they haven't made which you can't watch unless you pay? You mean like the streamers Netflix , Sky etc.

rofl
One of the few things that I would want to watch live is Le Mans or Bathhurst neither of which the BBC shows. Why do I have to pay the BBC to watch another channels content? over and above what it would cost to watch that conrtent in the first place.

White-Noise

4,374 posts

250 months

Thursday 16th May
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Cotty said:
FiF said:
Then complaining about paying to watch TV that they haven't made which you can't watch unless you pay? You mean like the streamers Netflix , Sky etc.

rofl
One of the few things that I would want to watch live is Le Mans or Bathhurst neither of which the BBC shows. Why do I have to pay the BBC to watch another channels content? over and above what it would cost to watch that conrtent in the first place.
Because its a license for a TV. Not the BBC funding. Not at all.

It's nuts isn't it and folks are getting more and more fed up with it and they can walk away in the modern world.

I do wonder if or how they would catch anyone breaking the rules. You would have to have a warrant or be able to go through personal data with your ISP I would think.


Crafty_

13,319 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th May
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White-Noise said:
Because its a license for a TV. Not the BBC funding. Not at all.

It's nuts isn't it and folks are getting more and more fed up with it and they can walk away in the modern world.

I do wonder if or how they would catch anyone breaking the rules. You would have to have a warrant or be able to go through personal data with your ISP I would think.
It is not a licence for a TV, you do not need one to own a TV, you need one to receive broadcasts. The majority of the money goes to the BBC.

The point being made that if you so wished by receive a broadcast from Sky for something that the BBC do not broadcast, you must pay the license fee and therefore pay for services you have no interest in.
We don't have to pay Tesco a surcharge if we wish to shop in Sainsburys, or BP if we refuel at Shell.

They catch people by sending scary letters and have their doorstep bullies overstep their remit.

Imagine a situation whereby you pay to access their services and if you don't pay, you can't get access to them, wouldn't that be simple ? unfortunately the BBC deliberately sabotaged that in order to retain the licence fee under the current rules so they can collect the fee regardless.

WarrenB

2,461 posts

120 months

Thursday 16th May
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White-Noise said:
Cotty said:
FiF said:
Then complaining about paying to watch TV that they haven't made which you can't watch unless you pay? You mean like the streamers Netflix , Sky etc.

rofl
One of the few things that I would want to watch live is Le Mans or Bathhurst neither of which the BBC shows. Why do I have to pay the BBC to watch another channels content? over and above what it would cost to watch that conrtent in the first place.
Because its a license for a TV. Not the BBC funding. Not at all.

It's nuts isn't it and folks are getting more and more fed up with it and they can walk away in the modern world.

I do wonder if or how they would catch anyone breaking the rules. You would have to have a warrant or be able to go through personal data with your ISP I would think.
I believe in most cases they rely on you confessing when the enforcement officers turn up, otherwise they can't prove anything. Think it'd be a massive grey area if they went through your ISP, as you say they'd probably need a warrant but then it could get even more complicated if you use a VPN.