Savage attack on WPC

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Elroy Blue

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8,692 posts

194 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11426...

The massive cuts to personnel which has led to single crewing becoming the norm has led to more and more of these attacks. But apparently, we can rest assured that the frontline is 'not affected'.

This week the National Police Air Service was subject to another 10 base closures giving us 50% of our pre-2012 level. We've lost 50% of our dogs, 40% of our Roads Policing, 50% of our mounted units, 18000 Officers and another 40000 to go if Cameron and May get re-elected. But it's OK, they tell us crime is down, so nobody should care at all.

I'm surprised that the usual suspects, who seem to spend every minute of every day trawling You Tube for every ancient video that portrays the Police negatively haven't posted this one. I'm sure they could've put a negative spin on it somehow.

In other news, the Chief of Defence staff was due to give a speech this week about the security situation and the state of the UKs defences. No10 has gagged him after seeing a copy. But that's ok as well. He keeps telling us there's no problem there either.

JensenA

5,671 posts

232 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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I thought this was going to be a post about the WPC, who was attacked by a suspect she had arrested, but instead it's the usual political tirade from you.
I've just heard on the news that the Police are now investigating an alleged racist incident at Euston station after a member of the public phoned in and said they had heard some Chelsea supporters shouting something racist.
If the police are really struggling to cope with 'real' crime use to lack of resources, WTF are they doing wasting time and resources investigating this?

anonymous-user

56 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
I'm surprised that the usual suspects, who seem to spend every minute of every day trawling You Tube for every ancient video that portrays the Police negatively haven't posted this one. I'm sure they could've put a negative spin on it somehow.
Perhaps even they were too decent to use such an incident to score cheap political points?

bitchstewie

51,939 posts

212 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11426...

The massive cuts to personnel which has led to single crewing becoming the norm has led to more and more of these attacks. But apparently, we can rest assured that the frontline is 'not affected'.

This week the National Police Air Service was subject to another 10 base closures giving us 50% of our pre-2012 level. We've lost 50% of our dogs, 40% of our Roads Policing, 50% of our mounted units, 18000 Officers and another 40000 to go if Cameron and May get re-elected. But it's OK, they tell us crime is down, so nobody should care at all.

I'm surprised that the usual suspects, who seem to spend every minute of every day trawling You Tube for every ancient video that portrays the Police negatively haven't posted this one. I'm sure they could've put a negative spin on it somehow.

In other news, the Chief of Defence staff was due to give a speech this week about the security situation and the state of the UKs defences. No10 has gagged him after seeing a copy. But that's ok as well. He keeps telling us there's no problem there either.
You missed the part where you wish her a speedy recovery from her injuries.

Honestly I think you're being a little cheap here in order to try to make apolitical point and I don't think it reflects well on you at all.

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

160 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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bhstewie said:
You missed the part where you wish her a speedy recovery from her injuries.

Honestly I think you're being a little cheap here in order to try to make apolitical point and I don't think it reflects well on you at all.
She's already recovered and back at work.

brenflys777

2,678 posts

179 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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It isn't a cheap political point, it is the result of cuts to the number of officers. Workload hasn't reduced, officer numbers have. Single crewing becomes more common, with higher risk to officers and lower service to public.

bitchstewie

51,939 posts

212 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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brenflys777 said:
It isn't a cheap political point, it is the result of cuts to the number of officers. Workload hasn't reduced, officer numbers have. Single crewing becomes more common, with higher risk to officers and lower service to public.
If this kind of thing is happening as a result of cuts in numbers presumably there are some independent statistics that prove it?

Posting in the way the OP was posted you could just as easily point to a couple of arrests by single crewed patrols and claim a 100% increase in efficiency - it's meaningless in isolation.

Slightly more surprised that the ahole only got 3 years but that's another story.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

137 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Needs more police brutality IMO, knife sticks ahoy!

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

160 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
they tell us crime is down,
My understanding is that police official figures are that crime is down. Based on that, surely it's you telling them.

We get that you don't like Cameron- I believe someone described it as "visceral hatred". Nevertheless, cheap political point-scoring doesn't make you look good.

Elroy Blue said:
In other news, the Chief of Defence staff was due to give a speech this week about the security situation and the state of the UKs defences.
That's the CoDS's job- to get a bigger, better set of defences. It should be taken with the same pinch of salt as the police saying the police should have more.

I'm pleased the WPC is fully recovered, btw.

anonymous-user

56 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Hope she's ok.
Don't agree with the claptrap in the opening post though.

Slagathore

5,824 posts

194 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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It's not hard to put a negative spin on it.

You'd expect her to be extra vigilant if she was alone, yet someone handcuffed and seated in a car throws a half assed punch/pushes her and she falls over and then can't defend herself.

You could argue if she had a partner there with her it wouldn't happen, but even with a partner there, he'd probably have still managed to knock her over.

He's in the car and it looks like she's not just put him there, so why doesn't she close the door then talk on the radio?

It's sad that it's happened, but it's a risk that goes with the job, unfortunately.

If it were some 6ft 14 stone bloke, do you think he'd have tried the same?

I've lost count of the fat/old and generally useless looking police officers I see. The type that wouldn't stand a chance of outmuscling a well built teenager, or catch someone running on foot, and not because they have Kenyan like pace or stamina!!

On the face of it, it just looks like she was caught off guard and some nutjob took advantage of that.

It seems strange she managed to get him cuffed and then he put up a fight, maybe she thought he wasn't a threat to her.




Ian Geary

4,534 posts

194 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Ok then, seeing as WPC has recovered, lets play this game.

Is it a shame there are less police? yes.

Wouldn't it be awfully nice if we could spend more on police nationally? Yes.

Will voting a labour govt. into power magically make money gush forth from the ground? No.

Are labour policies any more likely to return country to economic position where in-year deficit is under control and interest payments manageable? No

So, given there is no "new" money coming, we have to take it from existing spending, raise tax, or borrow more.

Existing spend: what gets cut?
unprotect pensions? Schools? Nhs?

cut defence, working benefits, transport, social care more? Given Voohsen has already complained in other threads the police are picking up mental health / care type work due to cuts?

Suddenly its not so simple.

imo all public services are going to have to learn to do the same with less, and the public learn to expect less, rather than have "its not fair" type debates.

oh, cut foreign aid though.

Ian (public sector worker)

legzr1

3,848 posts

141 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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JensenA said:
I thought this was going to be a post about the WPC, who was attacked by a suspect she had arrested, but instead it's the usual political tirade from you.
I've just heard on the news that the Police are now investigating an alleged racist incident at Euston station after a member of the public phoned in and said they had heard some Chelsea supporters shouting something racist.
If the police are really struggling to cope with 'real' crime use to lack of resources, WTF are they doing wasting time and resources investigating this?
Ah, the alledged racist chants being investigated by BT police?

I think you'll find they're different from normal bobbies - the way they're financed certainly is and I don't remember reading recently how their budgets are being savagely cut along with their numbers.

I don't see any 'cheap' political shots in the OP - I see genuine concern over drastic (and some would argue foolish) cuts in numbers and budgets.

It bothers me.

Obviously it bothers others less...

anonymous-user

56 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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The point is sound. Reductions in funding = fewer officers. Fewer officers has both internal and external consequences.

If it comes to managing the internal risks vs the external ones i.e. backing up a colleague rather than coming to your 999 call, there is only going to be one winner.

I understand the economic situation, so am happy to accept the extra risk to the public, but what is totally disingenuous and I despise is the claim that front-line services won't be affected.

Ian Geary said:
oh, cut foreign aid though.
The one which is well beyond the cost of the police.


Mojooo

12,804 posts

182 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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JensenA said:
I thought this was going to be a post about the WPC, who was attacked by a suspect she had arrested, but instead it's the usual political tirade from you.
I've just heard on the news that the Police are now investigating an alleged racist incident at Euston station after a member of the public phoned in and said they had heard some Chelsea supporters shouting something racist.
If the police are really struggling to cope with 'real' crime use to lack of resources, WTF are they doing wasting time and resources investigating this?
What you consider unimportant may be considered to others.

BertieWooster

3,318 posts

166 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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I'm glad she made a full recovery. However, my only question would be why she didn't handcuff the chap to the rear or, if it had to be to the front, in the stack position? To the rear would have made it pretty much impossible to do what he did.

anonymous-user

56 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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BertieWooster said:
I'm glad she made a full recovery. However, my only question would be why she didn't handcuff the chap to the rear or, if it had to be to the front, in the stack position? To the rear would have made it pretty much impossible to do what he did.
A front stack would have been better, although people can still strike using them. Rear handcuffing isn't really done / trained to be done to compliant prisoners.

The main issue was the reaction gap she left herself. She was too close allowing someone sat to strike her.

The instinctive human "fight or flight" kicked in after that and she took hold of him, when it would have been better to withdraw and allow him to escape and / or for her to draw her spray. The problem is most police officers aren't that way inclined and would rather put themselves at risk rather than let a prisoner go.

I don't want to be overly critical, as we all become complacent, as the British way to police is to revolve nearly all conflict verbally.



Elroy Blue

Original Poster:

8,692 posts

194 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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La Liga said:
, but what is totally disingenuous and I despise is the claim that front-line services won't be affected.
The very point. I knew the risks when I joined the Police. Those risks have massively increased as this Government decided that they wouldn't fund the Police, but would continue to state that is has no effect on frontline services. The majority of patrols are now single crewed as we try to keep out fingers in the dyke. It is unacceptable that you should be on your own and over 20 minutes from the nearest back-up, if there's anyone to come at all.

This thread isn't unexpected. It's either crime is down, it's all Labours fault, there's no money left. There's enough money to spunk one billion pounds in a few weeks on the Overseas Corruption budget recently. THIS Government decided that Policing wasn't a priority. That's their choice. They should have the courage of their convictions and say that cutting billions from the budget and thousands of Officers WILL affect services and WILL increase the risk to those doing the job. Instead they trot out the usual lies that Politicians do.

But it obviously works. Some of the replies on this thread prove it.



carreauchompeur

17,864 posts

206 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Horrible video, glad she had a bodycam. She had clearly realised that trouble was brewing as she was discreetly calling for backup on the hurry-up.

He was cuffed in a non- approved position, however often the best thing with someone who is just compliant is to get the cuffs on quickly as a degree of control without winding them up by using a fancy stack technique.

This makes it clear why single crewing as standard isn't a great idea.

The current cuts are savage, and the public are going to have to expect Police to be saying 'no' an awful lot more than is the case at the moment.

BertieWooster

3,318 posts

166 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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La Liga said:
front stack would have been better, although people can still strike using them. Rear handcuffing isn't really done / trained to be done to compliant prisoners.

The main issue was the reaction gap she left herself. She was too close allowing someone sat to strike her.

The instinctive human "fight or flight" kicked in after that and she took hold of him, when it would have been better to withdraw and allow him to escape and / or for her to draw her spray. The problem is most police officers aren't that way inclined and would rather put themselves at risk rather than let a prisoner go.

I don't want to be overly critical, as we all become complacent, as the British way to police is to revolve nearly all conflict verbally.
Thanks for the response. When did handcuffing to the rear stop being done to compliant prisoners? It just seems odd that it isn't utilised any more as it seems a very good way to help maintain officer safety - especially as you can never guarantee that a prisoner will stay compliant.