Now Gordon wants your organs
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Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
why, what are you going to do with yours when you're dead?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
personally I think it's a good idea
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
I'm entirely happy to bash this government but on this occasion I agree. Organ donation should be opt out, or at minimum a donor card should be treated as absolute consent rather that requiring the relatives to be asked while they are grieving.
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
what's the problem with Presumed COnsent?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
onomatopoeia said:
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
I'm entirely happy to bash this government but on this occasion I agree. Organ donation should be opt out, or at minimum a donor card should be treated as absolute consent rather that requiring the relatives to be asked while they are grieving.However, the report does state that Spain had the opt-out system for ten years, and found donors numbers increased when it was put back to voluntary only. And I believe the UK has decided against the opt-out system too?
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
Yeah, we've done this one on PH before, and although I agree with you, you are in for a bumpy thread http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
Prepare to be murdered by the keyboard warriors.Its not a problem if you are dead. really dead. But as I understand it for most cases the organs to be of any use the donor has to be alive, preped and then organs removed then they die.
What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?
Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.
Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys
Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......
Patient - uncosious and thinking keep on working me docs' dont give up on me just yet, I might make it but then hears them say - never mind give up now we need his bits for another...
What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?
Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.
Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys
Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......
Patient - uncosious and thinking keep on working me docs' dont give up on me just yet, I might make it but then hears them say - never mind give up now we need his bits for another...
Edited by superlightr on Monday 17th November 13:17
tinman0 said:
Bing o said:
Practically State ownership of your organs now - when will we say enough is enough?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
Yeah, we've done this one on PH before, and although I agree with you, you are in for a bumpy thread http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7729009.stm
Prepare to be murdered by the keyboard warriors.Established 1984 said:
I've always thought that it should be opt-out rather than opt-in. And you not going to be complaining when the measure saves your life or that of somebody you love.
The only issue I have, is that I'm too cynical to believe that the surgeons will want to save me, if they can have my organs. superlightr said:
Its not a problem if you are dead. really dead. But as I understand it for most cases the organs to be of any use the donor has to be alive, preped and then organs removed then they die.
What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?
Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.
Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys
Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......
surely that goes for anyone with a current donor card? where's the difference?What if your not dead or about to die, how long do they give you on life suport? How almost dead do you have to be? people have woken up again after being in a coma. There is a conflict of interests, how long do the doctors keep you going for -v- the need to whip out your organs. What % of unlikely to survive do they work on before the say its ok to whip em out?
Doc 1 - 80% sure this person wont pull through - right whip out his eyes, and lungs.
Doc 2 - 95% sure this person wont pull through - whip out his heart and kidneys
Patient - hang on Im not dead yet and might be the 5% that make it......
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