Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

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bad company

18,756 posts

268 months

Tuesday 7th May
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chrispmartha said:
bad company said:
chrispmartha said:
Ive asked a few times what should the government have done to make Brexit a success, never got an answer.
Repealing more European laws would be a good start.
Which ones? And why would repealing them make it a success?
All of them. Out is out so why would we want to be bound by European laws after leaving?

Which ones would you keep and why?

blueg33

36,319 posts

226 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
Repealing more European laws would be a good start.


Go on' I'll bite - which ones? How will they benefit people? What will they be replaced with?

Government say they want to repeal laws around y areas such as product safety, clinical trials. Something tells me that the current halfwits will think its a great idea to water down laws that keep people from harm.

chrispmartha

15,601 posts

131 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
chrispmartha said:
bad company said:
chrispmartha said:
Ive asked a few times what should the government have done to make Brexit a success, never got an answer.
Repealing more European laws would be a good start.
Which ones? And why would repealing them make it a success?
All of them. Out is out so why would we want to be bound by European laws after leaving?

Which ones would you keep and why?
That’s not really a credible answer is it. I suspect it’s because you can’t actually name even one. Remember the question was asked about what would make Brexit a success. How would scrapping all the laws that were introduced whilst we were in the EU make it a success?

sugerbear

4,107 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
chrispmartha said:
bad company said:
chrispmartha said:
Ive asked a few times what should the government have done to make Brexit a success, never got an answer.
Repealing more European laws would be a good start.
Which ones? And why would repealing them make it a success?
All of them. Out is out so why would we want to be bound by European laws after leaving?

Which ones would you keep and why?
Tell me you dont know what you're talking about without telling me you dont know what you are talking about.

chrispmartha

15,601 posts

131 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Ill even help you out a little- id ban the export of live animals now we are out of the EU. But im not daft enough to say doing that would make the whole thing a success.

blueg33

36,319 posts

226 months

Tuesday 7th May
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chrispmartha said:
That’s not really a credible answer is it. I suspect it’s because you can’t actually name even one. Remember the question was asked about what would make Brexit a success. How would scrapping all the laws that were introduced whilst we were in the EU make it a success?
Bad Company currently googling EU laws to see if there is one he doesn't like. 50/50 he will go for straight bananas and preventing the UK from buying a vaccine.


chrispmartha

15,601 posts

131 months

Tuesday 7th May
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blueg33 said:
chrispmartha said:
That’s not really a credible answer is it. I suspect it’s because you can’t actually name even one. Remember the question was asked about what would make Brexit a success. How would scrapping all the laws that were introduced whilst we were in the EU make it a success?
Bad Company currently googling EU laws to see if there is one he doesn't like. 50/50 he will go for straight bananas and preventing the UK from buying a vaccine.
Or fish and chips being served on old newspaper

bad company

18,756 posts

268 months

Tuesday 7th May
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blueg33 said:
Bad Company currently googling EU laws to see if there is one he doesn't like. 50/50 he will go for straight bananas and preventing the UK from buying a vaccine.
That sums up the futility of attempting to debate with Remoaners. So many of you resort to saying that anyone who disagrees must be stupid. There was a majority leave vote, that’s a lot of stupid people.

bad company

18,756 posts

268 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Here’s some laws that should have been changed though our government was too timid to have scrapped many of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/15/n...

sugerbear

4,107 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th May
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chrispmartha said:
blueg33 said:
chrispmartha said:
That’s not really a credible answer is it. I suspect it’s because you can’t actually name even one. Remember the question was asked about what would make Brexit a success. How would scrapping all the laws that were introduced whilst we were in the EU make it a success?
Bad Company currently googling EU laws to see if there is one he doesn't like. 50/50 he will go for straight bananas and preventing the UK from buying a vaccine.
Or fish and chips being served on old newspaper
I would scrap all the EU laws about chemical safety. Damn red tape!

blueg33

36,319 posts

226 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
That sums up the futility of attempting to debate with Remoaners. So many of you resort to saying that anyone who disagrees must be stupid. There was a majority leave vote, that’s a lot of stupid people
Glad you agree

cheesejunkie

2,684 posts

19 months

Tuesday 7th May
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blueg33 said:
Bad Company currently googling EU laws to see if there is one he doesn't like. 50/50 he will go for straight bananas and preventing the UK from buying a vaccine.
Given that the government set up a whole department who spectacularly failed to identify which laws need scrapped I don't think Bad Company is going to have much luck.

The retained EU law was daft and an example of the less intelligent side of brexit.

I don't think they're all daft. But when I'm wrong I'm wrong. Why can't they be wrong?

Businesses are not crying out for it to be harder to trade with the EU via regulation divergence. The very opposite is the case for most of them, admittedly not all and cases can be cherry picked.


Mrr T

12,357 posts

267 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
chrispmartha said:
bad company said:
chrispmartha said:
Ive asked a few times what should the government have done to make Brexit a success, never got an answer.
Repealing more European laws would be a good start.
Which ones? And why would repealing them make it a success?
All of them. Out is out so why would we want to be bound by European laws after leaving?

Which ones would you keep and why?
Your reply shows why giving a vote on membership to people who have no idea how the EU works is a bad idea. I worked in FS on a number of regulatory projects. From these I was aware many EU regulations started from international bodies. For example the bank capital directives all implement BIS rules. This applies for markets directives, solvency etc, etc. Repealing these would make it difficult for UK FS companies operating internationally. One area which is just EU are UCITS regulations. However, unwinding these would require a complete rewite of how the investing business operates.

Until I took time to learn more about the EU, mainly thanks to R North and Eureferendum.com, I had not realised how many EU rules where just applying international regulations.

That's why the government gave up on CE and will soon on REACH.

chrispmartha

15,601 posts

131 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
blueg33 said:
Bad Company currently googling EU laws to see if there is one he doesn't like. 50/50 he will go for straight bananas and preventing the UK from buying a vaccine.
That sums up the futility of attempting to debate with Remoaners. So many of you resort to saying that anyone who disagrees must be stupid. There was a majority leave vote, that’s a lot of stupid people.
So just name some if these laws and why scrapping them would make Brexit a success.

blueg33

36,319 posts

226 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
Here’s some laws that should have been changed though our government was too timid to have scrapped many of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/15/n...
So you googled it and came up with that. Something that isn't a list of laws to repeal and you have failed to answer the question about which ones you want to be rid of and why.

Maybe its the controls on biocides because you want our already declining population of pollinators to be really wiped out, or perhaps you think airlines should be let off compensating passengers that they have seriously let down. Perhaps you are keen on slave labour and think that the working time directive should be scrapped so we can make the plebs work longer for less?

Go on, tell us what you don't like. What would be the first 5 you would be rid of?

bad company

18,756 posts

268 months

Tuesday 7th May
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Mrr T said:
Your reply shows why giving a vote on membership to people who have no idea how the EU works is a bad idea.
Just think about how arrogant that sentence sounds.

Unashamedly nicked this from elsewhere:-

Since the Brexit vote in 2016, UK GDP is up by 8pc. The equivalent figures for France, Germany and Italy are 8.5pc, 5.8pc and 6.5pc respectively. And since the expiry of the Brexit transition period at the end of December 2020, the UK has outgrown not only France, Germany and Italy but also the US.


chrispmartha

15,601 posts

131 months

Tuesday 7th May
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bad company said:
Mrr T said:
Your reply shows why giving a vote on membership to people who have no idea how the EU works is a bad idea.
Just think about how arrogant that sentence sounds.

Unashamedly nicked this from elsewhere:-

Since the Brexit vote in 2016, UK GDP is up by 8pc. The equivalent figures for France, Germany and Italy are 8.5pc, 5.8pc and 6.5pc respectively. And since the expiry of the Brexit transition period at the end of December 2020, the UK has outgrown not only France, Germany and Italy but also the US.
Got the link to where you nicked it from?

bad company

18,756 posts

268 months

Tuesday 7th May
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blueg33 said:
Go on, tell us what you don't like. What would be the first 5 you would be rid of?
I’ve already stated that I’d get rid of all of them and replace them with our own. Most but not all would inevitably be very similar.

The biggest issue with the EU for me was the pressures to fully integrate. Years ago I voted to remain in the Common Market and would possibly do so again. The EU was and is becoming a huge bureaucracy, if we’d remained we’d have eventually be pulled into the Euro, defence and foreign policies.

bad company

18,756 posts

268 months

Tuesday 7th May
quotequote all
chrispmartha said:
bad company said:
Mrr T said:
Your reply shows why giving a vote on membership to people who have no idea how the EU works is a bad idea.
Just think about how arrogant that sentence sounds.

Unashamedly nicked this from elsewhere:-

Since the Brexit vote in 2016, UK GDP is up by 8pc. The equivalent figures for France, Germany and Italy are 8.5pc, 5.8pc and 6.5pc respectively. And since the expiry of the Brexit transition period at the end of December 2020, the UK has outgrown not only France, Germany and Italy but also the US.
Got the link to where you nicked it from?
You may not be able to read as it’s behind a paywall. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/01/28/br...


chrispmartha

15,601 posts

131 months

Tuesday 7th May
quotequote all
bad company said:
blueg33 said:
Go on, tell us what you don't like. What would be the first 5 you would be rid of?
I’ve already stated that I’d get rid of all of them and replace them with our own. Most but not all would inevitably be very similar.

The biggest issue with the EU for me was the pressures to fully integrate. Years ago I voted to remain in the Common Market and would possibly do so again. The EU was and is becoming a huge bureaucracy, if we’d remained we’d have eventually be pulled into the Euro, defence and foreign policies.
What would be the poi t i getting rid of laws and replacing them with the same laws?

Isn’t that in reality what they have done anyway.

Remember what the question was. What should the government have done to make Brexit a success, how does what you propose make Brexit successful ?