Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

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732NM

4,733 posts

16 months

Friday 10th May
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No country produces everything they need.

How the rest of the world survives outside the EU seems to be a mystery to you.

Mrr T

12,343 posts

266 months

Friday 10th May
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272BHP said:
To all the remainers on here, are you sure you want to rejoin?

https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-eu-is-turning-into-...
Unherd is a brexit supporter so not really a reliable source.

As an example the article says the EU is cracking down of free speech by sending police into a NatCon conference in Brussels. Thats just a lie. It was a Brussels mayor who's decision was quickly reversed in court.

As opposed to brexit Britain where one party wants to withdraw from the ECHR, and some party MP's even repeal the HRA.


Edited by Mrr T on Friday 10th May 08:26

CivicDuties

4,866 posts

31 months

Friday 10th May
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Unherd is an opinion based propaganda outfit masquerading as journalism.

captain_cynic

12,183 posts

96 months

Friday 10th May
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732NM said:
No country produces everything they need.

How the rest of the world survives outside the EU seems to be a mystery to you.
Having lived outside the EU most of my life I know exactly what happens.

"Hello (_)America/(_)China,

Shall I bend over now? No Lube? That sounds dandy"

Being in the EU gave the UK the power to say no, brexiteers will be surprised when they finally figure out the UK on its own doesn't have that power.

redback911

2,744 posts

267 months

Friday 10th May
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732NM said:
I live jn Cambridgeshire, Cambridge and the surrounding area is booming with life sciences investment.
Cambridge voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the European Union. I guess that underlines the quantitative evidence that show people with lower cognitive ability "were more likely to vote for Brexit".

Cognitive ability mattered in the UK’s vote for Brexit, research shows

https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/cognitive-abi...

To be fair, the Brexit decision was not an intelligence test; but it did require some critical thinking skills.

Amateurish

7,766 posts

223 months

Friday 10th May
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"Angry farmers have been laying siege to the bloc’s capitals for months. As for the EU’s “peace project”, all European governments are now on a war footing"

Hyperbolic nonsense

CraigyMc

16,486 posts

237 months

Friday 10th May
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CivicDuties said:
Unherd is an opinion based propaganda outfit masquerading as journalism.
Most Journalism is opinion. It's a journal, after all.

Anyway, Unherd is thoroughly right-wing and pro-brexit, owned by a knighted conservative hedge-fund owner, Sir Paul Roderick Clucas Marshall, who also owns GB News.

CivicDuties

4,866 posts

31 months

Friday 10th May
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CraigyMc said:
CivicDuties said:
Unherd is an opinion based propaganda outfit masquerading as journalism.
Most Journalism is opinion. It's a journal, after all.

Anyway, Unherd is thoroughly right-wing and pro-brexit, owned by a knighted conservative hedge-fund owner, Sir Paul Roderick Clucas Marshall, who also owns GB News.
There's a difference between journalism and opinion columning. Journalism is about reportage, news and information. Opinion columning is just gum flapping. There is confusion because newspapers traditionally publish both types of writing, whereas modern online organisations like Unherd only publish the latter whilst masquerading as the former.

272BHP

5,161 posts

237 months

Friday 10th May
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And yet Unherd has an AllSides media bias score of just 0.7 so rated as firmly in the centre.

More central it seems than BBC News which was -0.8 and far more even handed than the Guardian which was -2.4 at last look.

CivicDuties

4,866 posts

31 months

Friday 10th May
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272BHP said:
And yet Unherd has an AllSides media bias score of just 0.7 so rated as firmly in the centre.

More central it seems than BBC News which was -0.8 and far more even handed than the Guardian which was -2.4 at last look.
That makes no difference as to whether Unherd publishes journalism or opinion farming.

blueg33

36,157 posts

225 months

Friday 10th May
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732NM said:
No country produces everything they need.

How the rest of the world survives outside the EU seems to be a mystery to you.
Its hard work this. Leaving the EU left us with trade barriers that we did not have before, they have an impact on supply chain, its what they are called Barriers

In many cases other countries also suffer from trade barriers, its why many want to join the EU, it gives access to a large trading block without barriers, and its not something we can replace quickly, if at all.

What seems to escape you - is that Nuffield have stated that drug supply chains are impacted. However much you look at the moon and shout "moo", it doesn't make you a cow any more than saying here that brexit hasn't impacted supply chains makes you right..

Mrr T

12,343 posts

266 months

Friday 10th May
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272BHP said:
And yet Unherd has an AllSides media bias score of just 0.7 so rated as firmly in the centre.

More central it seems than BBC News which was -0.8 and far more even handed than the Guardian which was -2.4 at last look.
You mean the article which said the EU was clamping down on free speech by shutting down a NatCon conference in Brussels. Which how can I put it? IS A LIE.

Mortarboard

5,799 posts

56 months

Friday 10th May
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CivicDuties said:
272BHP said:
And yet Unherd has an AllSides media bias score of just 0.7 so rated as firmly in the centre.

More central it seems than BBC News which was -0.8 and far more even handed than the Guardian which was -2.4 at last look.
That makes no difference as to whether Unherd publishes journalism or opinion farming.
And "news outlet" that claims to be unbiased, and has a whole section dedicated to (literally) faith isn't unbiased.

In fact, unherd is textbook "conservative christian".

M.

Mortarboard

5,799 posts

56 months

Friday 10th May
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272BHP said:
Mortarboard said:
Why do you think remainers want to rejoin?

Serious question.

M.
Do the majority of the pro EU group not want to rejoin?

That is not the impression I get reading this thread.
You might want to read more carefully then. As far as I can remember, there's only one poster that advocated for rejoin.

M.

Killboy

7,489 posts

203 months

Friday 10th May
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I'll gladly take rejoin!

blueg33

36,157 posts

225 months

Friday 10th May
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We had beneficial terms that were thrown away with Brexit, we wouldn't get those if we rejoin.

CraigyMc

16,486 posts

237 months

Friday 10th May
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blueg33 said:
We had beneficial terms that were thrown away with Brexit, we wouldn't get those if we rejoin.
Dunno how anyone can say this with certainty.
Lets say there's a war and part of the UK getting involved protecting the EU is that a deal needs to happen. Then what would the terms be?

The future is simply not written yet.

bad company

18,729 posts

267 months

Friday 10th May
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blueg33 said:
Leaving the EU left us with trade barriers that we did not have before, they have an impact on supply chain, its what they are called Barriers
Can’t argue with that. That’s the very reason I voted for the Common Market all those years ago.

For me the rules, costs and ambitions of the EU became too much hence voted leave.

CivicDuties

4,866 posts

31 months

Friday 10th May
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blueg33 said:
We had beneficial terms that were thrown away with Brexit, we wouldn't get those if we rejoin.
Rejoining in any form would be a net benefit.

But it'll be a negotiation when it inevitably happens, based on whatever global circumstances exist at that point in the future. What we had before is irrelevant, and shouldn't be used as a benchmark.

chrispmartha

15,544 posts

130 months

Friday 10th May
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bad company said:
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For me the rules, costs and ambitions of the EU became too much hence voted leave.
How did those things actively impact you in your daily life