Why is this kid being branded innocent?
Discussion
stuthemong said:
King Herald said:
stuthemong said:
You don’t have to mourn his death, but don’t revel in it ffs. He was a child.
Legally and romantically he may have been 'a child' but by his very nature and attitude he was a grown man and a criminal. He was not going to get any better, not going to improve his lot. This 'child' would, likely as no, happily have beaten on the home owner, if he'd had the chance, then undoubtedly bragged about it on Face book.
The 'Bulwell solja' was going to go to jail one day, probably several times, without a doubt, so now the tax payer won't have to fund his life, and his ill-spawned chav offspring, for the next 50 years.
Chavs should need a license to breed! innit.
stuthemong said:
King Herald said:
stuthemong said:
You don’t have to mourn his death, but don’t revel in it ffs. He was a child.
Legally and romantically he may have been 'a child' but by his very nature and attitude he was a grown man and a criminal. He was not going to get any better, not going to improve his lot. This 'child' would, likely as no, happily have beaten on the home owner, if he'd had the chance, then undoubtedly bragged about it on Face book.
The 'Bulwell solja' was going to go to jail one day, probably several times, without a doubt, so now the tax payer won't have to fund his life, and his ill-spawned chav offspring, for the next 50 years.
Edited by stuthemong on Monday 16th March 15:15
stuthemong said:
Yeah, lets lock up all chav babies at birth too, before they become burglars.
At last, sense!Dr Imran T said:
Is it a working class thing? or just something that Chav families do as a 'automatic' response?
They ain't working class, they are middle class - after all, they don't work do they?Shamelessly stolen from the Prescott Class documentary...
Oakey said:
Just to add, the lad in my example also burgled my ex girlfriends home a few months prior to this event. What would have happened had she returned home? Maybe she'd have been beaten, maybe even raped? But let's not worry about that, let's get all concerned about some skiprat scumbag who doesn't know right from wrong cos 'he's just a child'.
/Daily mail.Did he rob her, or rape her? Quite different things. What if? what if? what if?....
All I saw in that report is that it is alleged that he was in a house where he shouldn't have been.
-no mention of weapon.
-no mention of his attacking resident
-no mention of previous
-no mention of his school/work position
Seems to me that most on here have built up a total image of this guy + the event from a couple of lines on a news peice?
If you talk to some 'road safety' speed kills morons they are of the opinion that you 'deserve' to die if you like driving quickly and crash. I really have had conversations like this with people. "My brother was killed by a speeding motorist, you are as bad as the guy who hit him", etc...etc.. just because I drive a sports car.
stuthemong said:
Oakey said:
Just to add, the lad in my example also burgled my ex girlfriends home a few months prior to this event. What would have happened had she returned home? Maybe she'd have been beaten, maybe even raped? But let's not worry about that, let's get all concerned about some skiprat scumbag who doesn't know right from wrong cos 'he's just a child'.
/Daily mail.Did he rob her, or rape her? Quite different things. What if? what if? what if?....
All I saw in that report is that it is alleged that he was in a house where he shouldn't have been.
-no mention of weapon.
-no mention of his attacking resident
-no mention of previous
-no mention of his school/work position
Seems to me that most on here have built up a total image of this guy + the event from a couple of lines on a news peice?
If you talk to some 'road safety' speed kills morons they are of the opinion that you 'deserve' to die if you like driving quickly and crash. I really have had conversations like this with people. "My brother was killed by a speeding motorist, you are as bad as the guy who hit him", etc...etc.. just because I drive a sports car.
t out of a frail old man. I somehow doubt if my ex had returned he'd have just said "oops, I appear to be in the wrong house. Please excuse my mistake, I shall be leaving now. Good day to you madam".
The lad is now 24 and currently inside for intent to supply cocaine and possession of a weapon, exactly what would it take for you to change your opinion?
Do these characters have to fulfil a set of requirements before you deem them dangerous criminals rather than children who don't know better? do they need to be over 30, carried out at least 25 burglaries, 16 assaults, a history of drug abuse and killed at least 2 people?
stuthemong said:
Oakey said:
Just to add, the lad in my example also burgled my ex girlfriends home a few months prior to this event. What would have happened had she returned home? Maybe she'd have been beaten, maybe even raped? But let's not worry about that, let's get all concerned about some skiprat scumbag who doesn't know right from wrong cos 'he's just a child'.
/Daily mail.Did he rob her, or rape her? Quite different things. What if? what if? what if?....
All I saw in that report is that it is alleged that he was in a house where he shouldn't have been.
-no mention of weapon.
-no mention of his attacking resident
-no mention of previous
-no mention of his school/work position
Seems to me that most on here have built up a total image of this guy + the event from a couple of lines on a news peice?
If you talk to some 'road safety' speed kills morons they are of the opinion that you 'deserve' to die if you like driving quickly and crash. I really have had conversations like this with people. "My brother was killed by a speeding motorist, you are as bad as the guy who hit him", etc...etc.. just because I drive a sports car.
Sun said:
Last night the family of a teen stabbed to death during a suspected burglary protested his innocence. Tyler Juett, 17, died after neighbours of Jacqueline Johnson said an intruder had been caught “red-handed” in her semi in Old Basford, Nottingham.
But his aunt Leah Juett said the family had seen no proof he was trying to commit a crime when he died.
She declared: “We do not want to say too much but all we will say, for now, is that people make things up.”
A 22-year-old man, believed to be a close relative of the householder, was being quizzed by detectives.
But his aunt Leah Juett said the family had seen no proof he was trying to commit a crime when he died.
She declared: “We do not want to say too much but all we will say, for now, is that people make things up.”
A 22-year-old man, believed to be a close relative of the householder, was being quizzed by detectives.
Sky said:
The precise circumstances of what happened are not known - but it is understood that Tyler died after being confronted by a man at the property.
A 22-year-old man, believed to be a close relative of the householder, has now been freed on bail after being quizzed by detectives.
Tyler's aunt Leah Juett said the family has seen no proof he was trying to commit a crime when he died.
She said: "We do not want to say too much, but all we will say for now is that people make things up."
His mother Michelle has posted pictures of the teenager on the Facebook social networking website.
She wrote: "Why, why, why, why, why? I want my baby back."
She also thanked people who had contributed to the site, writing: "Thank you to everyone who has posted messages for our beautiful son Tyler.
"It's nice to know he was loved by all of you."
Four male youths who were also arrested in connection with the incident have been released on bail.
A post-mortem examination carried out on Saturday showed Tyler died from a stab wound.
so, yes more info required, but it would appear to be 5 male youths attempting to break into said house, one of which died from a stab wound delivered by a 22 year old man believed to be a close relative of the householder (ie. son of).A 22-year-old man, believed to be a close relative of the householder, has now been freed on bail after being quizzed by detectives.
Tyler's aunt Leah Juett said the family has seen no proof he was trying to commit a crime when he died.
She said: "We do not want to say too much, but all we will say for now is that people make things up."
His mother Michelle has posted pictures of the teenager on the Facebook social networking website.
She wrote: "Why, why, why, why, why? I want my baby back."
She also thanked people who had contributed to the site, writing: "Thank you to everyone who has posted messages for our beautiful son Tyler.
"It's nice to know he was loved by all of you."
Four male youths who were also arrested in connection with the incident have been released on bail.
A post-mortem examination carried out on Saturday showed Tyler died from a stab wound.
Oakey said:
Yes he robbed her house, did you also miss my earlier post where I explained how, whilst robbing a 72 year old man's house, he smashed him in the face with a shovel? Not the once either. An 18 year old, well built lad who could quite easily have just avoided any confrontation nor needed to use a weapon instead took a shovel to beat the st out of a frail old man.
I somehow doubt if my ex had returned he'd have just said "oops, I appear to be in the wrong house. Please excuse my mistake, I shall be leaving now. Good day to you madam".
The lad is now 24 and currently inside for intent to supply cocaine and possession of a weapon, exactly what would it take for you to change your opinion?
Do these characters have to fulfil a set of requirements before you deem them dangerous criminals rather than children who don't know better? do they need to be over 30, carried out at least 25 burglaries, 16 assaults, a history of drug abuse and killed at least 2 people?
I tend to try and look at the individual circumstances of a crime/person, not just chuck on a load of other offences that someone else I heard about in the past committed. Your chap, yup, wouldn't miss him. Sounds like a right peice of work. This guy, I have no idea... but I wouldnt be posting 'congratulations' cards to his mum *just* yet.t out of a frail old man. I somehow doubt if my ex had returned he'd have just said "oops, I appear to be in the wrong house. Please excuse my mistake, I shall be leaving now. Good day to you madam".
The lad is now 24 and currently inside for intent to supply cocaine and possession of a weapon, exactly what would it take for you to change your opinion?
Do these characters have to fulfil a set of requirements before you deem them dangerous criminals rather than children who don't know better? do they need to be over 30, carried out at least 25 burglaries, 16 assaults, a history of drug abuse and killed at least 2 people?
MacGee said:
However, if everyone who committed a crime was to be stabbed we would all be dead....drop an apple, speeding, swearing at the footie....
if everyone who committed a burglary was to be stabbed they would be no more burglary, we would all be safer in our homes, home insurance costs would fall, police would be able to focus and reduce other crimes etcand I would not shed a single tear for any of them
stuthemong said:
Oakey said:
Yes he robbed her house, did you also miss my earlier post where I explained how, whilst robbing a 72 year old man's house, he smashed him in the face with a shovel? Not the once either. An 18 year old, well built lad who could quite easily have just avoided any confrontation nor needed to use a weapon instead took a shovel to beat the st out of a frail old man.
I somehow doubt if my ex had returned he'd have just said "oops, I appear to be in the wrong house. Please excuse my mistake, I shall be leaving now. Good day to you madam".
The lad is now 24 and currently inside for intent to supply cocaine and possession of a weapon, exactly what would it take for you to change your opinion?
Do these characters have to fulfil a set of requirements before you deem them dangerous criminals rather than children who don't know better? do they need to be over 30, carried out at least 25 burglaries, 16 assaults, a history of drug abuse and killed at least 2 people?
I tend to try and look at the individual circumstances of a crime/person, not just chuck on a load of other offences that someone else I heard about in the past committed. Your chap, yup, wouldn't miss him. Sounds like a right peice of work. This guy, I have no idea... but I wouldnt be posting 'congratulations' cards to his mum *just* yet.t out of a frail old man. I somehow doubt if my ex had returned he'd have just said "oops, I appear to be in the wrong house. Please excuse my mistake, I shall be leaving now. Good day to you madam".
The lad is now 24 and currently inside for intent to supply cocaine and possession of a weapon, exactly what would it take for you to change your opinion?
Do these characters have to fulfil a set of requirements before you deem them dangerous criminals rather than children who don't know better? do they need to be over 30, carried out at least 25 burglaries, 16 assaults, a history of drug abuse and killed at least 2 people?
stuthemong said:
...Seems to me that most on here have built up a total image of this guy + the event from a couple of lines on a news peice?...
Well, if we are not meant to speculate, exaggerate, formulate, pontificate, whatever, on an internet forum, without having ALL possible facts and evidence laid before us equally and without prejudice, then what IS the point of a forum?? Maybe we should shut down P&P and instead have a question and answer system, wherein only lawyers are allowed to give non-answers to questions we mere mortals ask?
Get over yourself Stu. We're here for a larf, not to influence the courts of the land, or decide the fate of the modern world.
King Herald said:
stuthemong said:
...Seems to me that most on here have built up a total image of this guy + the event from a couple of lines on a news peice?...
Well, if we are not meant to speculate, exaggerate, formulate, pontificate, whatever, on an internet forum, without having ALL possible facts and evidence laid before us equally and without prejudice, then what IS the point of a forum?? Maybe we should shut down P&P and instead have a question and answer system, wherein only lawyers are allowed to give non-answers to questions we mere mortals ask?
Get over yourself Stu. We're here for a larf, not to influence the courts of the land, or decide the fate of the modern world.
Cara Van Man said:
G'kar said:
SteveW8975 said:
“Killa was just a silly nickname. He was a very quiet person studying art.”
Twat.
Indeed.
People's characters are often synonomous with their knicknames, even the affectionate term my workmates have for me, "huge penis"......
at least i think that's what is meant.
I guess your mates have the same sense of irony 
But on a serious note I agree with Cara Van 100% on his earlier points, the kid may (or may not) have been a low life scum bag but there is a greaving mother out there and leaving insulting and baiting comments on a website is really not on under any circumstances even. Have you opinions but in a time like this keep them to yourself and allow a family their moment of grief, most certainly linking any comments to PH is a really really bad move.
Mon Ami Mate said:
I have said it before and I will say it again. If I ever catch an uninvited guest in my house one of us will, at the very least, be leaving in an ambulance. I hope that common sense prevails and that the two arrested don't become the new Tony Martins...
Can't agree more.One less s
thead in my world, good riddance you little bd.King Herald said:
stuthemong said:
...Seems to me that most on here have built up a total image of this guy + the event from a couple of lines on a news peice?...
Get over yourself Stu. We're here for a larf, not to influence the courts of the land, or decide the fate of the modern world.Secondly, bar banter is one thing.....presenting those thoughts on other forums to 'make a point' to the family of those concerned is f
king disgraceful, IMO. It's not so much that so many people were concerned that 'those comments could get back to PH', but that it was merely the fact the comments would get back here that was the problem, not that the comments in themselves are a problem.We really need a 'Chavs are people too' week on PH. It's been said before, and serves a purpose to say it again. We really treat Chavs on PH as the bogeymen. They are the vessel by which we vent all our angst. Now we have just about cottoned onto the fact that we can't bash gays or black people, we use 'them' as a scapegoat. As recession cuts deeper, this could get pretty ugly.
Stu
FWIW If my life were tragically taken early, I'd hope the media would portray me as a guy who liked to drink too much, was pretty sub-average at rugby (although enjoyed it), drove too quickly and did as little work as he thought he could get away with. All of these gushing 'hard working, showed great promise' statements are unbeleivable.
Parrot of Doom said:
Playing Devil's Advocate here, nobody has yet pointed out that this may have been an argument between 'friends' that has now been disguised as burglary.
That's where my money is going. 7 pages of the usual PH rants about the legitimacy of killing burglars Tony Martin style? This is purely a scum on scum disagreement IMO and nowt to do with a burglary. I reckon there's a lot of mileage in the comments made by the dead scrotes Aunt.Edited by Balmoral Green on Monday 16th March 18:01
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