Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
Discussion
Mojooo said:
Sunak asks if Labour's strategy is to "depress their way to victory," adding that it won't work as the UK is "a nation of optimists".
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Rich coming from a PM that must be presiding over the country in its most depressed mood I have ever known.
A nation of pissed off with the Tory party more like.--
Rich coming from a PM that must be presiding over the country in its most depressed mood I have ever known.
biggbn said:
Mr Penguin said:
Legally, they are racist if any one person says they are. I don't really like this approach, but it is the law as it stands. The specific comments in this case were however clearly racist, and many people like me who err on the side of caution of accusing people of using racist language thought so.
That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
It's the double standards that really get me. If this was some 'chav' (word used to illustrated my point, hence the inverted commas), some labour supporter who had made the comments about a Tory MP or almost anyone who does not fit the white, privilege Tory stereotype, this place would have melted down. I really can't see many/anyone springing to defend, say a secondary school pupil who said it about a teacher and made the news? It's double standards pure and simple. I work in a school and implement restorative practices daily, but that doesn't mean just saying sorry and everything goes away. It really doesn't work like that. That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
hole by several ppl??!! I get genuinely lost at times by some of you.
DeejRC said:
biggbn said:
Mr Penguin said:
Legally, they are racist if any one person says they are. I don't really like this approach, but it is the law as it stands. The specific comments in this case were however clearly racist, and many people like me who err on the side of caution of accusing people of using racist language thought so.
That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
It's the double standards that really get me. If this was some 'chav' (word used to illustrated my point, hence the inverted commas), some labour supporter who had made the comments about a Tory MP or almost anyone who does not fit the white, privilege Tory stereotype, this place would have melted down. I really can't see many/anyone springing to defend, say a secondary school pupil who said it about a teacher and made the news? It's double standards pure and simple. I work in a school and implement restorative practices daily, but that doesn't mean just saying sorry and everything goes away. It really doesn't work like that. That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
hole by several ppl??!! I get genuinely lost at times by some of you.
Does anyone else understand the reason for a public statement like this?
https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
nigelpugh7 said:
Does anyone else understand the reason for a public statement like this?
https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
Project fear. Of course the current government is a paragon of national security - Apart from the shambles that is MOD procurement, 1 serviceable carrier for the price of 2 (has it got any aircraft yet?), RAF pilots flying minimal hours to save money, failure to forsee Russian invasion of Ukraine, failure to forsee Hamas invasion of Israel, a report on Russian interference as yet unpublished in full, multiple MPs compromised by agents unknown, regaular hacking of outsourced public IT services by nations unknown...And that before we get to energy security, actually having a Border Force that can accuratley count number of people leaving and arriving the country (and thats nothing to do with boat people)... Of course, you can only trust the Tories.https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
nigelpugh7 said:
Does anyone else understand the reason for a public statement like this?
https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
The Tories have all bases covered though; the PM is warning of nuclear armageddon while Esther McVey deals with the threat of civil servants wearing rainbow lanyards. https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cul...
biggbn said:
DeejRC said:
biggbn said:
Mr Penguin said:
Legally, they are racist if any one person says they are. I don't really like this approach, but it is the law as it stands. The specific comments in this case were however clearly racist, and many people like me who err on the side of caution of accusing people of using racist language thought so.
That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
It's the double standards that really get me. If this was some 'chav' (word used to illustrated my point, hence the inverted commas), some labour supporter who had made the comments about a Tory MP or almost anyone who does not fit the white, privilege Tory stereotype, this place would have melted down. I really can't see many/anyone springing to defend, say a secondary school pupil who said it about a teacher and made the news? It's double standards pure and simple. I work in a school and implement restorative practices daily, but that doesn't mean just saying sorry and everything goes away. It really doesn't work like that. That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
hole by several ppl??!! I get genuinely lost at times by some of you.
You said “this place would have melted down”, ie not the PM but ppl on here. All, what, 3 of them who have vaguely defended him? Anybody else commenting - esp since the transcript was posted - has said the bloke sounds like an a
hole. No racism, sexism, classism or any other ism, just a simple ahole because he’s an ahole. No dbl standards or anything “contextual”, just a plain ahole. It doesn’t matter, let’s just all agree he’s an a
hole and move on.Conservative MPs were put on alert for an autumn election as Rishi Sunak reset his campaign strategy to warn voters they would be less safe with Sir Keir Starmer as prime minister.
Rishi is on the case and this thing strikes fear into the very heart of the Labour Party.
Someone else mentioned Rishi using the worry of nuclear war as a campaign stragety.
Well I for one can understand why Rishi will use this.
In the event of a nuclear war it will be reassuring to many to know that Rishi is in charge rather than Mr Starmer.
I cannot begin to tell you how many of my friends and acquaintances have said " I tell you anon I will feel a whole lot better if Rishi is in charge in the event of nuclear war"
I would go so far as to say it's been one of the major things people have been thinking about.
It must be reassuring to many to know that Rishi would be in charge of the recovery plan after the war. If anyone could get the economy moving it will be him
Awarding a knighthood to an Egyptian millionaire is another positive move on Rishi's part
Rishi is on the case and this thing strikes fear into the very heart of the Labour Party.
Someone else mentioned Rishi using the worry of nuclear war as a campaign stragety.
Well I for one can understand why Rishi will use this.
In the event of a nuclear war it will be reassuring to many to know that Rishi is in charge rather than Mr Starmer.
I cannot begin to tell you how many of my friends and acquaintances have said " I tell you anon I will feel a whole lot better if Rishi is in charge in the event of nuclear war"
I would go so far as to say it's been one of the major things people have been thinking about.
It must be reassuring to many to know that Rishi would be in charge of the recovery plan after the war. If anyone could get the economy moving it will be him
Awarding a knighthood to an Egyptian millionaire is another positive move on Rishi's part
Edited by anonymoususer on Monday 13th May 20:02
abzmike said:
Project fear. Of course the current government is a paragon of national security - Apart from the shambles that is MOD procurement, 1 serviceable carrier for the price of 2 (has it got any aircraft yet?), RAF pilots flying minimal hours to save money, failure to forsee Russian invasion of Ukraine, failure to forsee Hamas invasion of Israel, a report on Russian interference as yet unpublished in full, multiple MPs compromised by agents unknown, regaular hacking of outsourced public IT services by nations unknown...And that before we get to energy security, actually having a Border Force that can accuratley count number of people leaving and arriving the country (and thats nothing to do with boat people)... Of course, you can only trust the Tories.
It’s quite incredible isn’t it?And yet I see local Facebook groups , and even worse Nextdoor knuckle dragging idiots banging on about we have more power and weapons so let’s just nuke Russia off the map!
It’s beyond pathetic, but this is what our so called leaders in government have incited the voting public who know no better into believing.
DeejRC said:
biggbn said:
DeejRC said:
biggbn said:
Mr Penguin said:
Legally, they are racist if any one person says they are. I don't really like this approach, but it is the law as it stands. The specific comments in this case were however clearly racist, and many people like me who err on the side of caution of accusing people of using racist language thought so.
That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
It's the double standards that really get me. If this was some 'chav' (word used to illustrated my point, hence the inverted commas), some labour supporter who had made the comments about a Tory MP or almost anyone who does not fit the white, privilege Tory stereotype, this place would have melted down. I really can't see many/anyone springing to defend, say a secondary school pupil who said it about a teacher and made the news? It's double standards pure and simple. I work in a school and implement restorative practices daily, but that doesn't mean just saying sorry and everything goes away. It really doesn't work like that. That doesn't mean he is actually racist and does hate or judge all black women. We all use sloppy language from time to time and often say things mid-conversation that are in bad taste. Perhaps we are conditioned to avoid any racial comments but very few of us always express our views or personalities accurately in every sentence that we say.
Before anyone jumps on me, I had never heard of him before and all I still know about him is that he gave £10m to the Conservatives, took Rishi for a ride in his helicopter, and said some horrible things about Dianne Abbott which he apologised for.
hole by several ppl??!! I get genuinely lost at times by some of you.
You said “this place would have melted down”, ie not the PM but ppl on here. All, what, 3 of them who have vaguely defended him? Anybody else commenting - esp since the transcript was posted - has said the bloke sounds like an a
hole. No racism, sexism, classism or any other ism, just a simple ahole because he’s an ahole. No dbl standards or anything “contextual”, just a plain ahole. It doesn’t matter, let’s just all agree he’s an a
hole and move on.nigelpugh7 said:
It’s quite incredible isn’t it?
And yet I see local Facebook groups , and even worse Nextdoor knuckle dragging idiots banging on about we have more power and weapons so let’s just nuke Russia off the map!
It’s beyond pathetic, but this is what our so called leaders in government have incited the voting public who know no better into believing.
Its now the got ferments fault that a sizeable portion of he uk public are thick?And yet I see local Facebook groups , and even worse Nextdoor knuckle dragging idiots banging on about we have more power and weapons so let’s just nuke Russia off the map!
It’s beyond pathetic, but this is what our so called leaders in government have incited the voting public who know no better into believing.
nigelpugh7 said:
Does anyone else understand the reason for a public statement like this?
https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
People tend to move to the right when they are scared and defence is usually something Labour struggle with. It's also preparing the ground for an attack on Starmer supporting Corbyn who was obviously very weak on defence and perhaps setting up a comparison between Cameron and Lammy in the Foreign Office.https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
Defence and foreign affairs are going to be a bigger topic in the next few years so I don't see a reason to not talk about it.
Mr Penguin said:
nigelpugh7 said:
Does anyone else understand the reason for a public statement like this?
https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
People tend to move to the right when they are scared and defence is usually something Labour struggle with. It's also preparing the ground for an attack on Starmer supporting Corbyn who was obviously very weak on defence and perhaps setting up a comparison between Cameron and Lammy in the Foreign Office.https://youtu.be/BekDiBmu6b4?si=KX0GxRKVVCIVhzJQ
Please tell me this is not Rishi and his conservative government using this threat to stay in power at the next general election?
Defence and foreign affairs are going to be a bigger topic in the next few years so I don't see a reason to not talk about it.
Condi said:
Saying that the UK was going to change more over the next 5 years than the last 30 was a bit of a stretch, given that even the last 20 years included the financial crash, austerity, Brexit and Ukraine war.
LLMs, an aging population, more cyber attacks meaning our nice position off the European mainland is no defence at all, climate change, wars everywhere increasing the numbers of asylum seekers.Seems reasonable to me.
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