Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
king arthur said:
Bright Halo said:
I think we are about to see a classic battle strategy unfold in Kharkiv.
You create a vacuum that the enemy rushes in to fill.
You then pound the crap out of them from all sides.
I fear that what we are about to see is what the Russians always do, get close enough to use artillery and then gradually pound the city to rubble.You create a vacuum that the enemy rushes in to fill.
You then pound the crap out of them from all sides.
I've read pretty reliable people say Russia is unlikely to be able to capture it, but they can certainly reduce it to rubble.
Creating refugees is just part of the plan.
king arthur said:
Bright Halo said:
I think we are about to see a classic battle strategy unfold in Kharkiv.
You create a vacuum that the enemy rushes in to fill.
You then pound the crap out of them from all sides.
I fear that what we are about to see is what the Russians always do, get close enough to use artillery and then gradually pound the city to rubble.You create a vacuum that the enemy rushes in to fill.
You then pound the crap out of them from all sides.
Unless Ukraine's allies pull something pretty bloody significant out of the hat, Ukraine is screwed, imo.
I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
Adam. said:
Talksteer said:
Kharkiv is a city of about a million people, there is no way the Russians have the resources to take it. Adivka and Bakmut were small towns by comparison.
They don’t want to take it, just shell it to rubble TheJimi said:
Unless Ukraine's allies pull something pretty bloody significant out of the hat, Ukraine is screwed, imo.
I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
I am starting to think that is what it's going to take to stop this. I think I saw one or two leaders saying that they have offered boots on the ground or are prepared to send but haven't been asked yet. Possibly one of the Baltics. It may well be not at the frontline of course.I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
Alex Z said:
Adam. said:
Talksteer said:
Kharkiv is a city of about a million people, there is no way the Russians have the resources to take it. Adivka and Bakmut were small towns by comparison.
They don’t want to take it, just shell it to rubble TheJimi said:
Unless Ukraine's allies pull something pretty bloody significant out of the hat, Ukraine is screwed, imo.
I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
Don't think it's quite that definitive tbh. Just as last year the optimism of ukraine pulling off a very successful counteroffensive seemed rather misplaced, some of the pessimism now also seems a bit overblown. Russia has an advantage for now but ukraine will get increasing amounts of western kit if russia continues their advance and as far as manpower is concerned, it might not be popular for zelensky it is also an option to enforce conscription more strictly if needed. It would not be that much of a surprise if by say mid summer, the conflict largely returns to the grim stalemate more or less along the lines per the east of the donbas as before.I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
borcy said:
Realistically though will that make a difference - can they risk them near the frontline to support the troops or is it more air cover?borcy said:
Unfortunately an error in miscommunication and translation. They will be delivered within months, and an announcement is likely to be next month with a more accurate timeframe.
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Hopefully some of the US supplies have arrived and Ukraine has a few Himars set up ready to flatten any artillery firing at Kharkiv
Good point. In theory it should be possible to keep artillery far enough away to protect the city from everything except missiles and aircraft.king arthur said:
TheJimi said:
Unless Ukraine's allies pull something pretty bloody significant out of the hat, Ukraine is screwed, imo.
I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
I am starting to think that is what it's going to take to stop this. I think I saw one or two leaders saying that they have offered boots on the ground or are prepared to send but haven't been asked yet. Possibly one of the Baltics. It may well be not at the frontline of course.I can see Ukraine putting a shout out for allied boots on the ground (in whatever form that may take) before the end of the year. Whether that actually happens is another matter, but they'll definitely ask, imo.
Russia are losing over 1,000 men a day and have gained little to no ground. Any ground they capture is lost nearly as swiftly.
It will keep going like this for the next year or two at the very most, and then Russia are done.
RichFN2 said:
borcy said:
Unfortunately an error in miscommunication and translation. They will be delivered within months, and an announcement is likely to be next month with a more accurate timeframe.
Adam. said:
Talksteer said:
Kharkiv is a city of about a million people, there is no way the Russians have the resources to take it. Adivka and Bakmut were small towns by comparison.
They don’t want to take it, just shell it to rubble West needs to pull out all the stops to stop nearly 1.4 million people coming under artillery fire from Russia.
Am sure its been mentioned on here already but the netflix series "Turning Point: The Bomb and the Cold War" is well worth a watch. Filled in a lot of detail for me personally that i was hazy about, 1990's especially, and the collapse of the USSR, and events leading up to the current situation.
Great piece on Putin's cronies. The argument is, don't target Putin, but his allies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFBmnd1UAqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFBmnd1UAqo
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