UK smoking ban for those born after 2009
Discussion
Nomme de Plum said:
I am very pleased it has passed the first vote.
I see it as a freedom given not taken aways. A freedom not to be persuaded to be an addict, a freedom not to have to suffer a plethora of life impacting diseases ultimately for many ending with a rather unpleasant and premature death and a freedom from the pain that the relatives and friends see when a loved one suffers.
I am also pleased when asked in schools that those teenage children were in favour of this ban.
I hope before long we can address better, the obesity issue we have and accepting that this is an illness also for many caused by the 'addictive foods' created by some section of the food industry.
Same here, it's a positive move that will in time prevent many premature deaths and take significant load off of the heath service.I see it as a freedom given not taken aways. A freedom not to be persuaded to be an addict, a freedom not to have to suffer a plethora of life impacting diseases ultimately for many ending with a rather unpleasant and premature death and a freedom from the pain that the relatives and friends see when a loved one suffers.
I am also pleased when asked in schools that those teenage children were in favour of this ban.
I hope before long we can address better, the obesity issue we have and accepting that this is an illness also for many caused by the 'addictive foods' created by some section of the food industry.
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Wednesday 17th April 09:19
Seems a strange hill for the GB News watching frothers to die on, but hey ho. Will give Nige something else to whine about and keep his profile up for a bit longer I suppose.
carlo996 said:
Dave200 said:
Yeah, and people can't just enjoy a quick hit of heroin in the comfort of their own home any more either. The world has gone mad.
Only a binary thinker would write something so stupid.What are you going to say when they ban alcohol, or processed food, or one of your hobbies (if you have any) on the grounds of health/welfare concerns?
As usual MP’s are useless. Knife crime is out of control, county lines is killing our children but no, let’s ban smoking.
It’s amazing how many are not bothered about giving personal freedom away. Our ancestors shouldn’t have bothered fighting the wars….
This is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.
Dave200 said:
The UK has one of the lowest rates of knife crime and violent crime in the world, and "county lines" is a phrase invented to scare middle aged white people. Try taking a day off from the Daily Mail.
This is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.
County LinesThis is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.
HTH
smn159 said:
Same here, it's a positive move that will in time prevent many premature deaths and take significant load off of the heath service.
Seems a strange hill for the GB News watching frothers to die on, but hey ho. Will give Nige something else to whine about and keep his profile up for a bit longer I suppose.
"We demand the right for our children to be able to choose to kill themselves" is a little odd.Seems a strange hill for the GB News watching frothers to die on, but hey ho. Will give Nige something else to whine about and keep his profile up for a bit longer I suppose.
I haven't seen the stats on smoking and if I'm honest I couldn't tell you how much a pack of cigarettes even costs but I presume that smoking is on the decline particularly take up?
Every little helps.
Jinx said:
Dave200 said:
The UK has one of the lowest rates of knife crime and violent crime in the world, and "county lines" is a phrase invented to scare middle aged white people. Try taking a day off from the Daily Mail.
This is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.
County LinesThis is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.
HTH
bodhi said:
S600BSB said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Voted through.
Sensible legislation. For the nation that invented the concept of public health this is a good step forward. Well done Rishi. I'll simply never understand people that want less freedom. Is it short-sighted arrogance because it doesn't affect them? Some other desire for stability/safety because they feel vulnerable and feel out of control? (Govern me harder daddy etc...)
Same with people that don't believe in freedom of speech....I simply do not understand how anyone can objectively think like that.
It's almost the inverse of how it was when i was younger. I always recall the left wanting more liberty than the right but that boat has sailed (and sank) a long time ago.
The full 180 switch is most bizarre.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: "We demand the right for our children to be able to choose to kill themselves" is a little odd.
I haven't seen the stats on smoking and if I'm honest I couldn't tell you how much a pack of cigarettes even costs but I presume that smoking is on the decline particularly take up?
Every little helps.
Actual smoking is on a decline ONS - vaping though is on the up especially amoung the younger demographic. I haven't seen the stats on smoking and if I'm honest I couldn't tell you how much a pack of cigarettes even costs but I presume that smoking is on the decline particularly take up?
Every little helps.
This legislation is just unworkable in my opinion and hence not a good law.
Nothing wrong with:
"We demand the right for our children to be able to choose to kill themselves" as long as you are pro-euthansia as well...
Dave200 said:
People carrying drugs around the UK has been happening for years until there was a label slapped on it to scare middle aged white folk. Trying to make a point about this in a thread about one of the most sensible policy decisions is a decade is peak whataboutism.
It is a page on the National Crime Agency's website. The difference is the distribution model employed for the "county lines" as opposed to how previously illegal drugs were distributed. It is not a phrase for scaring "middle aged white folk" - which is a petty racist and unnecssary comment. Bluequay said:
Dagnir said:
Bluequay said:
Dagnir said:
Probably been mentioned already but I expect fatty and sugary foods to follow.
Addictive, cheap and the health burden is far greater.
If adults can't choose to smoke, what's the argument that they should be allowed to buy surgery/fatty foods?
Because those things can form a part of a healthy lifestyle if taken in moderation. Addictive, cheap and the health burden is far greater.
If adults can't choose to smoke, what's the argument that they should be allowed to buy surgery/fatty foods?
There is nothing healthy about smoking even in moderation.
There's nothing healthy about sugar.
A few (I do mean a few) ciggies a year will have basically zero affect your life.
Both can be enjoyed by adults in moderation.
So what principle applies to cigs and not to sugary foods?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC28651...
I'm interested in your answer to my question.
Oliver Hardy said:
This is misleading, the 17 billion figure is cost to society and where do you get the 3.5 billion from?
Smoking costs the NHS around £2.5 billion a year
https://www.brunel.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/arti...
Alcohol costs the NHS around £3.5 billion and the cost to society is £21 billion
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/04/st...
Cost of obesity to the NHS is around £6.4 billion and £27 billion to society
https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2023/06/07/governm...
Car and van pollution costs the NHS £6 billion
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-06-pollution-car...
Inconvenient facts for the bias of those in favour of removing liberty.Smoking costs the NHS around £2.5 billion a year
https://www.brunel.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/arti...
Alcohol costs the NHS around £3.5 billion and the cost to society is £21 billion
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/04/st...
Cost of obesity to the NHS is around £6.4 billion and £27 billion to society
https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2023/06/07/governm...
Car and van pollution costs the NHS £6 billion
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-06-pollution-car...
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Tuesday 16th April 22:49
Dave200 said:
Jinx said:
Dave200 said:
The UK has one of the lowest rates of knife crime and violent crime in the world, and "county lines" is a phrase invented to scare middle aged white people. Try taking a day off from the Daily Mail.
This is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.
County LinesThis is a really popular policy that has cross party voter support in a majority, and will make a meaningful different to health. If you'd rather dribble on about unrelated stuff that's your antiestablishment prerogative.
HTH
According to an NHS survey in 2019 38% of 15 years olds reported that they had tried Cannabis (and other surveys suggest this is increasing), UCL reporting 10% had tried hard drugs, and the BMJ see teenage cannabis consumption as a ticking time bomb.
Personally I'd say that's far more of an issue that the sub 4% of under 15's who reported trying cigarettes - especially given the potential harm to brain development with cannabis use in teenagers, without even mentioning the potential issues with those trying Class As.
Seems awesome this prohibition thing - we should clearly do more of it (/sarc).
Donbot said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: "We demand the right for our children to be able to choose to kill themselves" is a little odd.
18 YEAR OLDS AREN'T CHILDREN! ffsIs it only me that understands that this is about stopping ADULTS from legally buying cigarettes?
Donbot said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: "We demand the right for our children to be able to choose to kill themselves" is a little odd.
18 YEAR OLDS AREN'T CHILDREN! ffsIs it only me that understands that this is about stopping ADULTS from legally buying cigarettes?
He's made the same strawman multiple times....looking for a bite.
Ignore and move on to a more honest post.
Nothing to do with looking for a bite.
If you have kids I don't get why you'd want them able to buy cigarettes when they're older other than some weird point of principle about "freedom".
You've literally got people on here making the leap from things that have no purpose other than to kill you to all kinds of stuff about digital IDs, covid rules, CBDC.
It isn't perfect legislation and it will be difficult to enforce consistently but I don't think that means you don't try.
If you have kids I don't get why you'd want them able to buy cigarettes when they're older other than some weird point of principle about "freedom".
You've literally got people on here making the leap from things that have no purpose other than to kill you to all kinds of stuff about digital IDs, covid rules, CBDC.
It isn't perfect legislation and it will be difficult to enforce consistently but I don't think that means you don't try.
Jinx said:
Dave200 said:
People carrying drugs around the UK has been happening for years until there was a label slapped on it to scare middle aged white folk. Trying to make a point about this in a thread about one of the most sensible policy decisions is a decade is peak whataboutism.
It is a page on the National Crime Agency's website. The difference is the distribution model employed for the "county lines" as opposed to how previously illegal drugs were distributed. It is not a phrase for scaring "middle aged white folk" - which is a petty racist and unnecssary comment. bhstewie said:
hstewie said:paulw123 said:
My thoughts too, imagine being angry your children couldn't ruin their health and shorten their life expectancy smoking. Odd.
It won't affect anyone who's taken up smoking legally anyway.
You can just imagine the pep talk can't you.It won't affect anyone who's taken up smoking legally anyway.
"Well son it's your choice if you want to shorten your life expectancy and risk getting Lung Cancer. You know how I feel about all this woke nanny state bulls
t"Just weird.
hand wringers unite!TX.
Terminator X said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:paulw123 said:
My thoughts too, imagine being angry your children couldn't ruin their health and shorten their life expectancy smoking. Odd.
It won't affect anyone who's taken up smoking legally anyway.
You can just imagine the pep talk can't you.It won't affect anyone who's taken up smoking legally anyway.
"Well son it's your choice if you want to shorten your life expectancy and risk getting Lung Cancer. You know how I feel about all this woke nanny state bulls
t"Just weird.
hand wringers unite!TX.
D2.
Dagnir said:
It is strange to see the modern left so dead set on chipping away at our freedom and doing so whilst acting blind (or self deluding) to where this road leads.
I'll simply never understand people that want less freedom. Is it short-sighted arrogance because it doesn't affect them? Some other desire for stability/safety because they feel vulnerable and feel out of control? (Govern me harder daddy etc...)
Same with people that don't believe in freedom of speech....I simply do not understand how anyone can objectively think like that.
It's almost the inverse of how it was when i was younger. I always recall the left wanting more liberty than the right but that boat has sailed (and sank) a long time ago.
The full 180 switch is most bizarre.
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but smoking and addiction isn't about freedom, indeed it's quite the opposite.I'll simply never understand people that want less freedom. Is it short-sighted arrogance because it doesn't affect them? Some other desire for stability/safety because they feel vulnerable and feel out of control? (Govern me harder daddy etc...)
Same with people that don't believe in freedom of speech....I simply do not understand how anyone can objectively think like that.
It's almost the inverse of how it was when i was younger. I always recall the left wanting more liberty than the right but that boat has sailed (and sank) a long time ago.
The full 180 switch is most bizarre.
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