CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
Discussion
dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
This is what they really think:
Chromegrill said:
The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.
I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
The sad truth is that this person may well be a medical professional involved in the COVID response at a senior level. This post shows, beyond any reasonable doubt that their views were emotionally compromised. Driven by fear rather than logic. This cuts through to the very heart of everything that went wrong.
The same 'medical professional' proudly argued that Astrazeneca was safe for young people, which of course we now know is completely untrue:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
They also argued that COVID was a risk to the young and healthy, which again we now know is completely untrue:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Elysium said:
dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
This is what they really think:
Chromegrill said:
The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.
I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
The sad truth is that this person may well be a medical professional involved in the COVID response at a senior level. This post shows, beyond any reasonable doubt that their views were emotionally compromised. Driven by fear rather than logic. This cuts through to the very heart of everything that went wrong.
The same 'medical professional' proudly argued that Astrazeneca was safe for young people, which of course we now know is completely untrue:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
They also argued that COVID was a risk to the young and healthy, which again we now know is completely untrue:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
chromegrill said:
It's pretty clear that if you are a child or young person who wants to minimise your chances of getting myocarditis at the moment, you will want to be vaccinated against COVID, given the high likelihood of getting infected sooner or later and the much worse outcomes and more frequent risk of myocarditis in children after coronavirus infection compared to vaccination. And there's always the nagging question that until we completely understand the mechanism behind vaccine-induced myocarditis, it's quite possible that had the children who developed that not been vaccinated but became infected with COVID, they might well have had COVID-associated myocarditis instead which could have been a whole lot worse for them.
At the end of the day, it's thanks to meticulous monitoring of the vaccines that we are able to detect complications as rare as myocarditis (and it is rare; you could vaccinate all the eligible children in a large UK town or medium sized city without seeing a single case). And whilst vaccine complications that go beyond common things like mild flu symptoms or redness at the site of injection are obviously undesirable and everything possible needs to be done to minimise the likelihood of them happening, it's not as if significant harm is coming to large numbers of young people as a result of vaccinations. More young people would be harmed by COVID itself, and more badly harmed, if we didn't have COVID vaccinations available.
At the end of the day, it's thanks to meticulous monitoring of the vaccines that we are able to detect complications as rare as myocarditis (and it is rare; you could vaccinate all the eligible children in a large UK town or medium sized city without seeing a single case). And whilst vaccine complications that go beyond common things like mild flu symptoms or redness at the site of injection are obviously undesirable and everything possible needs to be done to minimise the likelihood of them happening, it's not as if significant harm is coming to large numbers of young people as a result of vaccinations. More young people would be harmed by COVID itself, and more badly harmed, if we didn't have COVID vaccinations available.

ruggedscotty said:
waynecyclist said:
Not sure if to post this here: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19349995.eb...
Also: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9657379/B...
Just shows the stupid level people will go.
hence people should be dna profiled and then chipped... stop this stupidity... if they cant be trusted...Also: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9657379/B...
Just shows the stupid level people will go.

dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
Elysium said:
dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
This is what they really think:
Chromegrill said:
The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.
I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
The sad truth is that this person may well be a medical professional involved in the COVID response at a senior level. This post shows, beyond any reasonable doubt that their views were emotionally compromised. Driven by fear rather than logic. This cuts through to the very heart of everything that went wrong.
The same 'medical professional' proudly argued that Astrazeneca was safe for young people, which of course we now know is completely untrue:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
They also argued that COVID was a risk to the young and healthy, which again we now know is completely untrue:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I see it all the time, both on here and in real life. People who got very frightened, wanted everyone to follow every rule no matter how crazy, called for more authoritarian measures, claimed Boris was risking lives every time we reopened from lockdown....and yet now they try to pretend they never held those views, distance themselves from it, pretend it never happened and anybody that still talks about it is a conspiracy theorist.
I think it would be a simple task to embarrass quite a few in the conspiracy theories thread just by exploring posting histories from 2021.
GMT13 said:
If you asked Chromegrill and others like them now I'm sure they'd say that they were never in favour of mandatory vaccination, no Vax no job, Vax passports to leave the house etc, or at least try to downplay their support for them at the time.
I see it all the time, both on here and in real life. People who got very frightened, wanted everyone to follow every rule no matter how crazy, called for more authoritarian measures, claimed Boris was risking lives every time we reopened from lockdown....and yet now they try to pretend they never held those views, distance themselves from it, pretend it never happened and anybody that still talks about it is a conspiracy theorist.
I think it would be a simple task to embarrass quite a few in the conspiracy theories thread just by exploring posting histories from 2021.
A lot of the COVID zealots got into that position because they were scared. I see it all the time, both on here and in real life. People who got very frightened, wanted everyone to follow every rule no matter how crazy, called for more authoritarian measures, claimed Boris was risking lives every time we reopened from lockdown....and yet now they try to pretend they never held those views, distance themselves from it, pretend it never happened and anybody that still talks about it is a conspiracy theorist.
I think it would be a simple task to embarrass quite a few in the conspiracy theories thread just by exploring posting histories from 2021.
In this case, we have a ‘medical professional’ who claims to have been involved in the COVID response at a senior level. Obviously terrified that their health condition leaves them at risk, but willing to believe that making others wear masks was the key to their safety.
At the time there was no good evidence for this quasi-religious belief and evidence has not emerged since.
People like this didn’t care about evidence. They grasped at anything that made them feel less in danger and there was no limit to the things they were prepared to do in order to bend the rest of us to their will.
This shows very clearly that expertise is no guarantee of rational thinking in a crisis.
Edited by Elysium on Monday 22 April 08:38
Pupp said:
Isaldiri has an apprentice…
Do tell - What prompted you to drop me in to have swipe? GMT13 said:
If you asked Chromegrill and others like them now I'm sure they'd say that they were never in favour of mandatory vaccination, no Vax no job, Vax passports to leave the house etc, or at least try to downplay their support for them at the time. .
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54
isaldiri said:
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54
It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
BigMon said:
isaldiri said:
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54
It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
740EVTORQUES said:
It also raises the genuine question of whether, not wanting to endorse censorship, nevertheless PH and other social media outlets are enabling mental illness, and those who prey on the afflicted.
It's a difficult balancing act, but having a forum like that with restricted access where they can re-enforce their world views surely can't be healthy for anyone?
You only have to cast an eye across the pond to the MAGA lunatics to see how this sort of thing can wreak havoc with society. It's more than a curiosity.
Where does the responsibility to fact check some of the more obvious nonsense start on a forum like PH, and where should it start?
Remember, innocent people have died because of bad decisions made in a fog of misinformation.
LOL! Is it 2020 again? 4 years on and they are calling for PH management to silence any covaids discussion which deviates from The Official Narrative, but dressed up like they are "concerned" for the discussion "enabling mental illness". It's a difficult balancing act, but having a forum like that with restricted access where they can re-enforce their world views surely can't be healthy for anyone?
You only have to cast an eye across the pond to the MAGA lunatics to see how this sort of thing can wreak havoc with society. It's more than a curiosity.
Where does the responsibility to fact check some of the more obvious nonsense start on a forum like PH, and where should it start?
Remember, innocent people have died because of bad decisions made in a fog of misinformation.

BigMon said:
isaldiri said:
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54
It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
isaldiri said:
Chances are the next pandemic will happen far enough in future such that whatever scales that might have fallen will long ago have regrown. The politicians in charge then would remember that fear was very effectively utilised to generate compliance 'for the greater good' and...... do exactly the same again.
Yep. A bit like how lessons learnt from, I dunno.. approx 80 years ago were all completely forgotten and/or ignored too. But if you dared to mention the parallels, oh boy.. r3g said:
LOL! Is it 2020 again? 4 years on and they are calling for PH management to silence any covaids discussion which deviates from The Official Narrative, but dressed up like they are "concerned" for the discussion "enabling mental illness". 
Amazing correlation between those calling out "MAGA loons" and also calling for silencing of freedom of expression. Almost like they are part of the same political orthodoxy.
BigMon said:
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.
It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
Scared? Power boner more like it and loving it that they could proselytize and evangelize The Good Word of The Science.It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
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