CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

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Elysium

16,064 posts

202 months

Sunday 21st April 2024
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dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.
jester

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

yikes
Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
I remember Chromegrill.

This is what they really think:

Chromegrill said:
The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.

I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The sad truth is that this person may well be a medical professional involved in the COVID response at a senior level. This post shows, beyond any reasonable doubt that their views were emotionally compromised. Driven by fear rather than logic. This cuts through to the very heart of everything that went wrong.

The same 'medical professional' proudly argued that Astrazeneca was safe for young people, which of course we now know is completely untrue:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

They also argued that COVID was a risk to the young and healthy, which again we now know is completely untrue:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...





r3g

3,750 posts

39 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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Elysium said:
dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.
jester

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

yikes
Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
I remember Chromegrill.

This is what they really think:

Chromegrill said:
The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.

I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The sad truth is that this person may well be a medical professional involved in the COVID response at a senior level. This post shows, beyond any reasonable doubt that their views were emotionally compromised. Driven by fear rather than logic. This cuts through to the very heart of everything that went wrong.

The same 'medical professional' proudly argued that Astrazeneca was safe for young people, which of course we now know is completely untrue:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

They also argued that COVID was a risk to the young and healthy, which again we now know is completely untrue:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...




Wow. Quite revealing. Here is some more, from April 2022 in the vax injuries thread:

chromegrill said:
It's pretty clear that if you are a child or young person who wants to minimise your chances of getting myocarditis at the moment, you will want to be vaccinated against COVID, given the high likelihood of getting infected sooner or later and the much worse outcomes and more frequent risk of myocarditis in children after coronavirus infection compared to vaccination. And there's always the nagging question that until we completely understand the mechanism behind vaccine-induced myocarditis, it's quite possible that had the children who developed that not been vaccinated but became infected with COVID, they might well have had COVID-associated myocarditis instead which could have been a whole lot worse for them.

At the end of the day, it's thanks to meticulous monitoring of the vaccines that we are able to detect complications as rare as myocarditis (and it is rare; you could vaccinate all the eligible children in a large UK town or medium sized city without seeing a single case). And whilst vaccine complications that go beyond common things like mild flu symptoms or redness at the site of injection are obviously undesirable and everything possible needs to be done to minimise the likelihood of them happening, it's not as if significant harm is coming to large numbers of young people as a result of vaccinations. More young people would be harmed by COVID itself, and more badly harmed, if we didn't have COVID vaccinations available.
rolleyes

rodericb

7,929 posts

141 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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ha ha yeah very eager to comply with the regime, as "managers" are wont to be. Doctors and medical professionals are usually very eager to follow the regime too, as per Haque et al in 2012.....

r3g

3,750 posts

39 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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ruggedscotty said:
waynecyclist said:
Not sure if to post this here: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/19349995.eb...

Also: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9657379/B...

Just shows the stupid level people will go.
hence people should be dna profiled and then chipped... stop this stupidity... if they cant be trusted...
10 June 2021 from here : https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

rolleyes

Rollin

6,234 posts

260 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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Yup, just put the crossbow battalion and the YouTube me harder brigade in charge next time. Did we get pigswills story of his journey to the truth via RFK jnr yet? I've been away.

Pupp

12,509 posts

287 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
quotequote all
dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.
jester

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

yikes
Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
Isaldiri has an apprentice…

GMT13

1,130 posts

202 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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Elysium said:
dandarez said:
r3g said:
This gem has just landed in t'other thread.

Chromegrill said:
As a health professional involved at a fairly senior level in the COVID response it's been quite illuminating to see how really quite small numbers of people have developed these sorts of conspiracy theories throughout the pandemic and amplified them to make it seem like there is a really serious problem when there isn't.
jester

Not sure whether to post the Comical Ali or the Gunshow 'This is Fine' meme.
Chromegrill may well be a 'health professional, fairly senior level' (that could mean anything, assistant Head Porter at the local hospital, to GP at local practice?), who knows?
However, what I'm certain of is he certainly ain't in the English grammar profession...

yikes
Over FIFTY words in one single sentence with NO punctuation whatsoever, not even a measly comma. Phew!
I remember Chromegrill.

This is what they really think:

Chromegrill said:
The price I pay (as an adult with a serious underlying health condition) for your freedom to infect me due to your refusal to cover your face is my life. So yes, I could die for your freedom to go round spreading a serious infection when you know you can mitigate that spread through a cheap and simple intervention. But I don't think you realised how true your statement was.

I consider my life too high a price to pay for your freedom to take it away. So many people only look to their own circumstances when thinking about infectious disease, whether it's wearing face masks or for that matter having a vaccination. But infectious diseases don't think like that, they demand that we ask "what can you do for your country" not "what can your country do for you" to quote a famous ex-president of the USA. We all work together to defeat this, or some of us die during a disjointed free for all.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The sad truth is that this person may well be a medical professional involved in the COVID response at a senior level. This post shows, beyond any reasonable doubt that their views were emotionally compromised. Driven by fear rather than logic. This cuts through to the very heart of everything that went wrong.

The same 'medical professional' proudly argued that Astrazeneca was safe for young people, which of course we now know is completely untrue:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

They also argued that COVID was a risk to the young and healthy, which again we now know is completely untrue:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...




If you asked Chromegrill and others like them now I'm sure they'd say that they were never in favour of mandatory vaccination, no Vax no job, Vax passports to leave the house etc, or at least try to downplay their support for them at the time.

I see it all the time, both on here and in real life. People who got very frightened, wanted everyone to follow every rule no matter how crazy, called for more authoritarian measures, claimed Boris was risking lives every time we reopened from lockdown....and yet now they try to pretend they never held those views, distance themselves from it, pretend it never happened and anybody that still talks about it is a conspiracy theorist.

I think it would be a simple task to embarrass quite a few in the conspiracy theories thread just by exploring posting histories from 2021.

Elysium

16,064 posts

202 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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GMT13 said:
If you asked Chromegrill and others like them now I'm sure they'd say that they were never in favour of mandatory vaccination, no Vax no job, Vax passports to leave the house etc, or at least try to downplay their support for them at the time.

I see it all the time, both on here and in real life. People who got very frightened, wanted everyone to follow every rule no matter how crazy, called for more authoritarian measures, claimed Boris was risking lives every time we reopened from lockdown....and yet now they try to pretend they never held those views, distance themselves from it, pretend it never happened and anybody that still talks about it is a conspiracy theorist.

I think it would be a simple task to embarrass quite a few in the conspiracy theories thread just by exploring posting histories from 2021.
A lot of the COVID zealots got into that position because they were scared.

In this case, we have a ‘medical professional’ who claims to have been involved in the COVID response at a senior level. Obviously terrified that their health condition leaves them at risk, but willing to believe that making others wear masks was the key to their safety.

At the time there was no good evidence for this quasi-religious belief and evidence has not emerged since.

People like this didn’t care about evidence. They grasped at anything that made them feel less in danger and there was no limit to the things they were prepared to do in order to bend the rest of us to their will.

This shows very clearly that expertise is no guarantee of rational thinking in a crisis.




Edited by Elysium on Monday 22 April 08:38

isaldiri

21,927 posts

183 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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Pupp said:
Isaldiri has an apprentice…
Do tell - What prompted you to drop me in to have swipe?

GMT13 said:
If you asked Chromegrill and others like them now I'm sure they'd say that they were never in favour of mandatory vaccination, no Vax no job, Vax passports to leave the house etc, or at least try to downplay their support for them at the time. .
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...


Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54

BigMon

5,230 posts

144 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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isaldiri said:
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...


Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.

It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.

Boringvolvodriver

10,373 posts

58 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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BigMon said:
isaldiri said:
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...


Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.

It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
And of course the Public Inquiry will cover this aspect and review why the government, aided and abetted by a compliant media, decided to go down the route of fear and in some cases distort the facts to make the fear even worse………….

r3g

3,750 posts

39 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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740EVTORQUES said:
It also raises the genuine question of whether, not wanting to endorse censorship, nevertheless PH and other social media outlets are enabling mental illness, and those who prey on the afflicted.

It's a difficult balancing act, but having a forum like that with restricted access where they can re-enforce their world views surely can't be healthy for anyone?

You only have to cast an eye across the pond to the MAGA lunatics to see how this sort of thing can wreak havoc with society. It's more than a curiosity.

Where does the responsibility to fact check some of the more obvious nonsense start on a forum like PH, and where should it start?

Remember, innocent people have died because of bad decisions made in a fog of misinformation.
LOL! Is it 2020 again? 4 years on and they are calling for PH management to silence any covaids discussion which deviates from The Official Narrative, but dressed up like they are "concerned" for the discussion "enabling mental illness". rofl

Boringvolvodriver

10,373 posts

58 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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said:
It is a slightly odd view - “you can only post things that I agree with

isaldiri

21,927 posts

183 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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BigMon said:
isaldiri said:
^ this. Plenty were in favour of those who didn't comply with being vaccinated 'to protect others' deserve to be punished. if not directly calling for it then they were entirely content for that to happen. Still, it's human nature I suppose and one should hardly expect any different for a somewhat unpleasant aspect of it to be shown especially in thise times...


Edited by isaldiri on Monday 22 April 08:54
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.

It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
Chances are the next pandemic will happen far enough in future such that whatever scales that might have fallen will long ago have regrown. The politicians in charge then would remember that fear was very effectively utilised to generate compliance 'for the greater good' and...... do exactly the same again.

r3g

3,750 posts

39 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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isaldiri said:
Chances are the next pandemic will happen far enough in future such that whatever scales that might have fallen will long ago have regrown. The politicians in charge then would remember that fear was very effectively utilised to generate compliance 'for the greater good' and...... do exactly the same again.
Yep. A bit like how lessons learnt from, I dunno.. approx 80 years ago were all completely forgotten and/or ignored too. But if you dared to mention the parallels, oh boy..

Roderick Spode

3,623 posts

64 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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r3g said:
LOL! Is it 2020 again? 4 years on and they are calling for PH management to silence any covaids discussion which deviates from The Official Narrative, but dressed up like they are "concerned" for the discussion "enabling mental illness". rofl
Amazing correlation between those calling out "MAGA loons" and also calling for silencing of freedom of expression. Almost like they are part of the same political orthodoxy.

rodericb

7,929 posts

141 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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BigMon said:
A lot of people were scared when, with hindsight, they had absolutely no need to be.

It's one of many elements regarding Covid and the response to it that I have concerns about. I suspect zero lessons have been learned by those in in power (deliberately or not) for if this ever happens again, the biggest difference this time will be that the scales will have fallen from a lot more people's eyes.
Scared? Power boner more like it and loving it that they could proselytize and evangelize The Good Word of The Science.

119

11,735 posts

51 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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Do we have a date for all the vaccine passports and when we need to start carrying our id papers yet?

Roderick Spode

3,623 posts

64 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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119

11,735 posts

51 months

Monday 22nd April 2024
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