45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

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Matt Harper

6,649 posts

203 months

Monday 20th May
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Byker28i said:
Matt Harper said:
Byker28i said:
Interesting testimony from Cohen on hiring Redfinch, because of a CNBC Poll about the most famous businessman "in like the last century"

trump was polling at the bottom and wanted to be number 1, so Redfinch were hired to raise trump into the top 10, so it was believable - fixing the results to stroke trumps ego biggrin

CNBC cancelled to poll because it was rigged, so trump didn't pay Redfinch the $50k, despite getting him to number 9. trump stiffed his contractors again.
Unfortunately, it's now sounding like Cohen stiffed Trump Org over this matter, placating Redfinch with $20k and then claiming (and receiving) the $50k that was originally billed.

This could hurt Cohen's credibility with the jury quite profoundly.
Will it. thieves together?
He testified trump didn't want to pay them, admitted he stole the money because trump stiffed him on his bonus, and that he discussed this with both federal and state prosecutors. Learnt from the best?


Remember Rick Gates stole $3M from Manafort had a maga member on the jury, yet Manafort was still convicted, before Barr stepped in to interfere, then trump pardoned him


Edited by Byker28i on Monday 20th May 21:50
Michael Cohen's reputation is 'questionable'. This admission just confirms that he's a shifty, dishonest person. That only needs to sow sufficient (any) doubt in a single juror and the case is scuppered. A less than positive revelation today.

hidetheelephants

25,287 posts

195 months

Monday 20th May
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Who's surprised by that? He did time for busting election finance law, at the behest of the unindicted co-conspirator.

paulguitar

24,117 posts

115 months

Monday 20th May
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I see Cohen as a bit like Darth Vader. Dodgy as fk but had an epiphany.




F1GTRUeno

6,384 posts

220 months

Tuesday 21st May
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His team literally just have to respond with 'of course he's dodgy as fk, he worked for Donald Trump'

dobbo_

14,496 posts

250 months

Tuesday 21st May
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The problem with calling Cohen shifty is that he was doing it at the direction of.....

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Matt Harper said:
Byker28i said:
Matt Harper said:
Byker28i said:
Interesting testimony from Cohen on hiring Redfinch, because of a CNBC Poll about the most famous businessman "in like the last century"

trump was polling at the bottom and wanted to be number 1, so Redfinch were hired to raise trump into the top 10, so it was believable - fixing the results to stroke trumps ego biggrin

CNBC cancelled to poll because it was rigged, so trump didn't pay Redfinch the $50k, despite getting him to number 9. trump stiffed his contractors again.
Unfortunately, it's now sounding like Cohen stiffed Trump Org over this matter, placating Redfinch with $20k and then claiming (and receiving) the $50k that was originally billed.

This could hurt Cohen's credibility with the jury quite profoundly.
Will it. thieves together?
He testified trump didn't want to pay them, admitted he stole the money because trump stiffed him on his bonus, and that he discussed this with both federal and state prosecutors. Learnt from the best?


Remember Rick Gates stole $3M from Manafort had a maga member on the jury, yet Manafort was still convicted, before Barr stepped in to interfere, then trump pardoned him


Edited by Byker28i on Monday 20th May 21:50
Michael Cohen's reputation is 'questionable'. This admission just confirms that he's a shifty, dishonest person. That only needs to sow sufficient (any) doubt in a single juror and the case is scuppered. A less than positive revelation today.
It's not all on Cohen though. Cohen has just been used to confirm all the other testimony by prosecution witnesses and documentation evidence and fill in the gaps and that was done.

Whilst the media may concentrate on the more salacious details, if you follow the trial, you'll see the prosecution have built a pretty solid case proving their charges, backed by trump org documentation, and all the corroborating witness testimony, of which there was lots. Multiple people all saying the same, not just cohen.

It was known he was dishonest before the trial, he went to jail to protect trump and had admitted beforehand of lying to protect trump. It's hardly the revelation you claim and was all addressed under redirect yesterday. Lets face it, he'd been trumps lawyer and enforcer for years.

Hence the defence arguing against admitting new evidence to prove Cohen wasn't lying. Prosecution has a photo that shows on 24 Oct trump was with Schiller just minutes before the call Cohen said he had with both of them. Defence claimed Cohen was lying about that because Schiiler wasn't with trump that day.

The photo shows trump and Schiller walking off the stage at a campaign rally at 7:57 p.m., five minutes before the 8:02 p.m. phone call in question. Remember we've already had all the call logs, the times of the calls, the length.

You know this is hugely relevant because Blanche was arguing the photo isn't relevant, hadn't been submitted correctly, but it's huge and corroborates Cohens testimony about the call, how he called Schiller who put trump on the phone, as is trumps way.

The attack on Cohens credibility was all they had, to try to dish the dirt on Cohen, and of course trump demanded it because he loves retribution against those he thinks wronged him.

Why at this late stage have the defence now tried to plea it down to a misdemeanor to stop trump at risk from going to jail for the rest of his life? Max sentence is 4 years per charge...



Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 21st May 06:19

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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trumps shared a video on his TS account which included references to a “unified Reich” among hypothetical news headlines if he wins the election in November.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-2024-rhe...

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Since we're on about trial witnesses, the defence witness Costello brought in to further attack Cohen didn't help much.
More on the court being cleared

The judge told Robert Costello he was acting contemptuously and threatened to strike his testimony and remove him from the stand. Costello tried to say something. “No,” the judge said. “This is not a conversation.”




Cohen kept his cool all week, Costello blew it within minutes. The only saving grace for the defence is the judge cleared the room so the jury didn't see his comments to Costello, but they will infer from the actions



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trump had a massive rant about it to reporters afterwards, before again reading quotes from people saying he's innocent, a regular thing now.

[youtube]https://twitter.com/i/status/1792664651903455674[/youtube]



Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 21st May 06:26

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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At the start of the trial


Yesterday


Along with Habba claiming he would testify but under advice from his lawyers.

He won't testify, and he'll blame the judge, the biased jury, the gag order, Biden...

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Arizona AG fact checking Giulianis claims about the subpoena, how they tracked him through his boasting on social media to eventually deliver the summons

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Blance again yesterday asked for a motion to motion to dismiss the case against trump, based on three main points linked to a lack of evidence and what he called Cohen's lack of credibility. It's almost a daily request now.

Blanche claimed there was no evidence the business records in question were false whilst claiming Cohen did provide legal services as the records say.
Then Blanche claimed there was no evidence of intent to defraud in the filings and finally, that there was no evidence that the arrangement raised campaign finance law, violation concerns, thus no evidence of a cover-up.
https://x.com/annabower/status/1792656468526981586...

As the prosecution said in response, it's not just about Cohen, they have all the other witnesses and the documentation that prove the case.
Judge Merchan will make the decision today at 9:30

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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trump may be raising cash but his legal bills are costing.
trump’s leadership PAC, Save America, spent $3.3 million on legal fees in April and ended the month with about $1.1 million in outstanding legal bills.

Claims Biden has $192m in the bank, following a massive ad spend, and staffing 150 offices and more than 500 staffers across key battleground state.

trump has $49m in the bank, has yet to spend on staffing offices etc. He did outraise Biden last month due to concentrating on fundraisers
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/20/politics/biden-...



trump campaign statement


Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 21st May 06:58

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Remember this comes from Ivanka's 1990 divorce deposition so I’m not sure how successful this will be.

'trump was furious that a scalp reduction operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying...'

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/docu...

With trump it's never about the sex, it's always about his perceived power over women, trying to compensate for his mummy issues, how his mother dominated him.

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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trump’s Social Media Company Posts Q1 Revenue of $770,500 and Net Loss of $327.6 Million

The company recorded $311 million in non-cash expenses arising from the conversion of promissory notes, and the associated elimination of prior liabilities, immediately before the closing of TMTG’s merger with DWAC.

Also an operating loss in Q1 of $12.1 million
https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/trump-truth-...


Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Well the key witness in the trial probably won't testify, is already a convicted and proven crook

Plus, people in glass houses... Her son is currently charged with 22 theft related crimes, claims he can't afford a lawyer...

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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trumps planned retribution for his second term continues
"The prosecutor should be prosecuted ... many people have said that" - again the standard tell of his lies claiming 'many people'
https://twitter.com/i/status/1792667151930699993

Byker28i

61,525 posts

219 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Apart from his Reich post, trump was posting heavily on his TS account again last night

https://x.com/trumpdailyposts?lang=en

dobbo_

14,496 posts

250 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Byker28i said:
Well the key witness in the trial probably won't testify, is already a convicted and proven crook

Plus, people in glass houses... Her son is currently charged with 22 theft related crimes, claims he can't afford a lawyer...
The famous "Boebert Scale" used worldwide to measure credibility hehe

ScotHill

3,255 posts

111 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Byker28i said:
Well the key witness in the trial probably won't testify, is already a convicted and proven crook

Plus, people in glass houses... Her son is currently charged with 22 theft related crimes, claims he can't afford a lawyer...
The word 'also' in that sentence could be interpreted two ways - I wonder which one she meant.....

sugerbear

4,132 posts

160 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Matt Harper said:
Byker28i said:
Matt Harper said:
Byker28i said:
Interesting testimony from Cohen on hiring Redfinch, because of a CNBC Poll about the most famous businessman "in like the last century"

trump was polling at the bottom and wanted to be number 1, so Redfinch were hired to raise trump into the top 10, so it was believable - fixing the results to stroke trumps ego biggrin

CNBC cancelled to poll because it was rigged, so trump didn't pay Redfinch the $50k, despite getting him to number 9. trump stiffed his contractors again.
Unfortunately, it's now sounding like Cohen stiffed Trump Org over this matter, placating Redfinch with $20k and then claiming (and receiving) the $50k that was originally billed.

This could hurt Cohen's credibility with the jury quite profoundly.
Will it. thieves together?
He testified trump didn't want to pay them, admitted he stole the money because trump stiffed him on his bonus, and that he discussed this with both federal and state prosecutors. Learnt from the best?


Remember Rick Gates stole $3M from Manafort had a maga member on the jury, yet Manafort was still convicted, before Barr stepped in to interfere, then trump pardoned him


Edited by Byker28i on Monday 20th May 21:50
Michael Cohen's reputation is 'questionable'. This admission just confirms that he's a shifty, dishonest person. That only needs to sow sufficient (any) doubt in a single juror and the case is scuppered. A less than positive revelation today.
If that is the case there are going to be millions of convictions in the US being thrown out becuase the evidence being provided to convict someone is coming from another person that has dodgy past. Criminals grassing each other up is all part of the US justice system, get your plea in first and you get a lighter sentence.