Israel invaded

This thread covers a whole gamut of opinions. I'm sure no two of us have the same precise views on Israeli policy, and I certainly am no fan of Netanyahu or his government. That said, I don't actually think the response of a left wing government would have been meaningfully different. Realpolitik and all that.

Personally, I don't want to get into heated debate about it. It's not going to change anything. Rather, I think thoughts should go to after the war and how to make a path to a two state solution possible.

However, as a British Jew, it's impossible to escape the effects of surging antisemitism, enabled by the pro-Palestinian movement. A surge that led to a stained glass window at my local synagogue being smashed.

And yet there are those on here who claim that antisemitism is a scam to try and silence their movement. Rather than actually tackling the racism in their midst, they instead attack the victims, thus becoming complicit.

Make no mistake, some people just want to see the Jews ethnically cleansed. Again. That's what then end result of this would be.

The phone-in voting results will be interesting to see.

There is nothing anti-semitic about it. It is because most of them support a terrorist organization, and elected them as their govenment.

I was born into a C of E family & now consider myself atheist. However, I have some fairly close Jewish relations, born & bred here, secular people. They do not now feel safe in their own homes. The ugly head of antisemitism is utterly repugnant.
I'm not sure I'll continue looking at this PH thread anymore - most of the contributors appear not to have any in depth understanding of either middle east geography, politics, religion or history.
I'll leave it there so the foul mouths can continue their ridiculous squabble.

When every single criticism of the Israeli government and the IDF, including by their staunchest allies, is met with claims of antisemitism, yes, it is. No one is claiming antisemitism doesn’t exist, but every single criticism is met with the same accusation. People refusing to acknowledge the very real crimes of the Israeli government, that even its own members and citizens recognise, gives space for those racists and antisemites to hide and claim a veneer of legitimacy.

You're totally correct, unfortunately. You're point has been proven in this very thread, more than once.

Israel may have breached international law with US weapons in Gaza, says state department https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6898499...


Just popped up… no st Sherlock

Sensible countries voted against or abstained. :-)

Also it wasn't neccesarily a vote for Palestinian statehood.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/israel-gaza-update-...

"Following the ballot, Australia's permanent representative to the UN, James Larsen, described the extension of Palestine's rights as "modest" and described the part expressing aspiration for full Palestinian statehood was "not what we would propose"."

Working link.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-s...

Few zip tie injuries and use of stress positions while they filter civilians/hamas. Presume British army would use same in war situation.

Still least they werent shot, raped, mutilated and burnt while at a music festival.