What if your house is inside the proposed blast radius...
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As I type this there is a huge floating bomb being tugged into one of the Milford Haven LNG refinaries. Demonstrators and bib are out in force, but surely the time to demonstrate has long gone..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/795241...
I live about 5 or 6 miles from there, and if there is an explosion, the immediate blast radius of complete devastation is supposed to be way past my house, not that you'd know anything about it at the time obviously.
So, would you move your family etc or do you just get on with it as hopefully the chances are slim of anything happenning.
Obviously the same stands for nuclear power stations. The surreal thing is that while all this happens, my windows are shaking from the artillery rounds at the local Castle Martin range, and I can hear machine gun fire too. I do hope the two don't meet. What a bizarre world we live in..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/795241...
I live about 5 or 6 miles from there, and if there is an explosion, the immediate blast radius of complete devastation is supposed to be way past my house, not that you'd know anything about it at the time obviously.
So, would you move your family etc or do you just get on with it as hopefully the chances are slim of anything happenning.
Obviously the same stands for nuclear power stations. The surreal thing is that while all this happens, my windows are shaking from the artillery rounds at the local Castle Martin range, and I can hear machine gun fire too. I do hope the two don't meet. What a bizarre world we live in..
tonyvid said:
I suppose you have to ask how many have gone bang in the past? Bit of a bummer if your one is the first though.....
Now you mention it..Linky: Explosion in Ohio, 130 dead
Linky: various facts, including explosion in Belgium
Maybe I should have put that bit earlier
Edited by Fetchez la vache on Friday 20th March 16:12
You could move somewhere quiet and peaceful then a petrol tanker could overturn outside your house and obliterate it.
You could live on the flightpath of Heathrow and any day now a 747 could fall on your house.
You could live in the sleepiest safest village then go shopping in London for the day and just be on the right underground train at the wrong time..
If your number's up your number's up.. I know we mock the risk assessment/health and safety culture but at least you know that a scheme would have had every eventuality thought of before it was ever put into commercial use..
You could live on the flightpath of Heathrow and any day now a 747 could fall on your house.
You could live in the sleepiest safest village then go shopping in London for the day and just be on the right underground train at the wrong time..
If your number's up your number's up.. I know we mock the risk assessment/health and safety culture but at least you know that a scheme would have had every eventuality thought of before it was ever put into commercial use..
Would it actually explode like a bomb or burn fiercly?
Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of s
tting myself."
Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of s
tting myself."Good week to give up smoking!
I sympathise with your predicament although on the South Coast we are told we will be in the fallout zone if a froggy nuclear power station goes 'poof' (or whatever noise fnps's make when vapourising themselves), so most of us are in someone's blast zone.
Sad thing is though that even these 'floating bombs' probably won't be enough to stop the lights going dim a few years hence when age + EU chest beating emissions targets = severely reduced generating capacity.
I sympathise with your predicament although on the South Coast we are told we will be in the fallout zone if a froggy nuclear power station goes 'poof' (or whatever noise fnps's make when vapourising themselves), so most of us are in someone's blast zone.
Sad thing is though that even these 'floating bombs' probably won't be enough to stop the lights going dim a few years hence when age + EU chest beating emissions targets = severely reduced generating capacity.
crofty1984 said:
Would it actually explode like a bomb or burn fiercly?
Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of stting myself."
IIRC lng would go up like hiroshima! I think one went up in texas city in 1947(think thats what the place is called) and the devastation was very very widespread, so much so that commentators thought someone had dropped an a-bomb on the place! As far as i can work out, it isnt so much the lng thats the problem, its the vapour it gives off, one spark and milford haven is fubar big time!!Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of s
tting myself."they have been loading lng onto tankers in the forth from mossmoran for years have they not? so its nothing new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossmorran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossmorran
snowy slopes said:
crofty1984 said:
Would it actually explode like a bomb or burn fiercly?
Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of stting myself."
IIRC lng would go up like hiroshima! I think one went up in texas city in 1947(think thats what the place is called) and the devastation was very very widespread, so much so that commentators thought someone had dropped an a-bomb on the place! As far as i can work out, it isnt so much the lng thats the problem, its the vapour it gives off, one spark and milford haven is fubar big time!!Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of s
tting myself."Edited by Mattt on Friday 20th March 21:34
westtra said:
they have been loading lng onto tankers in the forth from mossmoran for years have they not? so its nothing new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossmorran
NGL and LNG are different things.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossmorran
Mattt said:
snowy slopes said:
crofty1984 said:
Would it actually explode like a bomb or burn fiercly?
Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of stting myself."
IIRC lng would go up like hiroshima! I think one went up in texas city in 1947(think thats what the place is called) and the devastation was very very widespread, so much so that commentators thought someone had dropped an a-bomb on the place! As far as i can work out, it isnt so much the lng thats the problem, its the vapour it gives off, one spark and milford haven is fubar big time!!Anyway, I'm sure that the people dealing with it are aware of its nature and will treat it accordingly seeing as they're directly in the firing line.
I'm sure the likelyhood of some dozey bugger mowing into you when out on the roads is much greater.
To quote Mr. Hunt:
"If I was as nervous as you, I'd never fart for fear of s
tting myself."It was ammonium nitrate that went up in Texas City.
Fetchez la vache said:
tonyvid said:
I suppose you have to ask how many have gone bang in the past? Bit of a bummer if your one is the first though.....
Now you mention it..Linky: Explosion in Ohio, 130 dead
Linky: various facts, including explosion in Belgium
Maybe I should have put that bit earlier
Edited by Fetchez la vache on Friday 20th March 16:12
t.There has been a good few accidents of LNG ships running aground and so far the grand total of them exploding like a small nuclear bomb is roughly erm ZERO
The accidents you have point to neither of which actually involved a LNG ship.
The first one was a very early type of LNG ground based tank which didn't work very well
The second was a high pressure pipline which is a very very different thing to a ship.
The biggest LNG related accident so far has been in algeria which had and still has a piss poor safety attitude and many in the industry are surprised it took this long to happen.
A modern LNG membrane type vessel has a double hull of steel into which the tank is built which as a minimum of two extra layers which in a Gaz transport system it is two layers of about 0.8 mm invar which is bloody strong and in a GTT mk3 it is 1 layer of tinfoil and a 2mm layer of stainless steel. there is also about 18 inches of insulation so for a large leak to happen alot of metal has to fail. Also there is constant gas monitoring in the insulation space so while there is occasionally small amounts of gas in there it is known about and the space is kept under Nitrogen so no chance of an explosion in there.
The tanks themselves are kept under a low pressure (23Kpa max) but with zero oxygen so yet again there is no chance of an explosion in the tank.
The riskiest time for the vessel is coming into and out of the port and this will only be done under favourable weather conditions and with more escort tugs then a oil tanker.
Once the vessel is alongside its position is constantly monitered and it is tied into the shutdown system of the shoreside via the ESD system so the whole cargo transfer operation can be shut down in seconds
Trust me an LNG terminal is nothing to worry about unless you are someone who never leaves the house because of the very real risk of being runover by a big red bus
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