Bathtime puzzler

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hunt_the_fox

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1,044 posts

226 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Gents,

I was wondering if you could help shed some light on a Hunt household phenomenon.

When I have a bath if I turn both taps on full and leave the water when the level reaches the overflow the hot water will have run out and I will have a tepid bath.

But if I fill the bath 1/4 full of hot water then 1/2 with cold water and then top up with hot water I can reach the same level but with a piping hot bath. Now given there is the same finite amount of hot water being used to fill the bath how does it mean that I get a hot bath when using the water in the latter way but not the former? I am confused.

HTF.

Smart roadster

769 posts

227 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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During the bit when you are only filling the bath with cold, the water in the hot tank has a chance to heat up again.

Piersman2

6,607 posts

200 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Smart roadster said:
During the bit when you are only filling the bath with cold, the water in the hot tank has a chance to heat up again.
Of course assuming that it takes about 20 mins to do that bit with the cold water filling up on it's own!

hunt_the_fox

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226 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Smart roadster said:
During the bit when you are only filling the bath with cold, the water in the hot tank has a chance to heat up again.
I thought that but it seems to work even when neither the immersion heater nor the timed boiler are on.

dirty doug

485 posts

196 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Pretty simple. Your cold water taps discharges a much greater volume per time unit than your hot. So when running both together, you don't get the perfect results you desire. However you clearly have too much time on your hands......

Galileo

3,145 posts

219 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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That and the first method cools the hot water but the second method heats the cold water.

cazzer

8,883 posts

249 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Something to do with mixing cold water in with the hot water right from the start I would think.
I would imagine cold water into a half full bath of hot water will have less of an effect on the hot water than cold water and hot water mixing in equal quantities from the start.

Road2Ruin

5,279 posts

217 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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hunt_the_fox said:
Gents,

I was wondering if you could help shed some light on a Hunt household phenomenon.

When I have a bath if I turn both taps on full and leave the water when the level reaches the overflow the hot water will have run out and I will have a tepid bath.

But if I fill the bath 1/4 full of hot water then 1/2 with cold water and then top up with hot water I can reach the same level but with a piping hot bath. Now given there is the same finite amount of hot water being used to fill the bath how does it mean that I get a hot bath when using the water in the latter way but not the former? I am confused.

HTF.
The hot water in the tank will get hotter while you are putting the cold in. If you contunually use it the hot water leaving will be replaced by cold water and not have any time to heat up.

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Because you're cooling the hot flow immediately on filling in the first scenario and less so by putting a stream of cold water into a mass of hot?

PD9

1,999 posts

186 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Dont know.

Piersman2

6,607 posts

200 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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hunt_the_fox said:
Gents,

I was wondering if you could help shed some light on a Hunt household phenomenon.

When I have a bath if I turn both taps on full and leave the water when the level reaches the overflow the hot water will have run out and I will have a tepid bath.

But if I fill the bath 1/4 full of hot water then 1/2 with cold water and then top up with hot water I can reach the same level but with a piping hot bath. Now given there is the same finite amount of hot water being used to fill the bath how does it mean that I get a hot bath when using the water in the latter way but not the former? I am confused.

HTF.
Most likely the answer is that the water in your hot water tank never actually gets as cold as the cold water tap.

So in the first scenario you fill the bath with a half hot, half cold. The cold is alway the same cold temperature, the hot will slowly get cooler as you empty the tank whilst filling the bath. You end up with a mix of very cold and hot slowly moving to cold.

In the second scenario, you are only filling the bath with a quarter of cold cold tap water. The remaining 3/4s is from the hot tank. Which , although cooling, never gets cold cold.

Therefore your second scenario will result in a hotter bath!

HTH tongue out

TonupS2

401 posts

191 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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When you fill up with hot water you are probably (unknowingly) using more tepid water from the hot water tank and less of the much colder mains water. The smaller difference in the latent temperatures mean you are not cooling the hot water as much. IMHO.

MacGee

2,513 posts

231 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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have a shower instead...saves water and relaxes your brain from such thoughts !

RacingPete

8,907 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Water is a funny substance, the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen are permanently changing, suffice to say that probably only 20% of the atoms are attached and not seeking another partner at any given moment.

Thus when you have both taps on together the cooling of the mix of everything will be much quicker due to this constant inter switching. If you had hot water in first then less cold water will be mixing with the hot water, and the hot water will be heating the cold water as it mixes, thus resulting in a hotter bath!

But hey, my physics A-level was about 13 years ago so this is with a vague alcohol affected memory! smile

HOGEPH

5,249 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Why not put the cold water in first, and then add hot water to bring it up to the desired temperature?

voyds9

8,489 posts

284 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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The hot and cold taps don't flow at same rate.
If both taps on full you don't get 1/2 hot, 1/2 warm water. More likely 2/3 cold, 1/3 hot.

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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HOGEPH said:
Why not put the cold water in first, and then add hot water to bring it up to the desired temperature?
Because the hot water will barely raise the temperature of a mass of cold water.

HOGEPH

5,249 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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V8mate said:
HOGEPH said:
Why not put the cold water in first, and then add hot water to bring it up to the desired temperature?
Because the hot water will barely raise the temperature of a mass of cold water.
Ok, I'll redefine that. Put a little cold water in first, add hot until comfortable, and then get in the bath. Thus saving water, allowing you to top up with hot as the bath cools, and taking away the need to make monkey noises as you get in a bath that is just that bit too hot.

stuthemong

2,295 posts

218 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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dirty doug said:
Pretty simple. Your cold water taps discharges a much greater volume per time unit than your hot. So when running both together, you don't get the perfect results you desire. However you clearly have too much time on your hands......
This.

The hot tap runs slower maxxed out.


Put the hot on max flow. Put bucket under it and time how long it takes to fill bucket.
Put bucket under cold tap. Vary tap turns until you get it to fill bucket in same time.

Remember how many turns of cold tap this took (e.g. 1+ 3/5 turns)

Use this perfect tap turn ratio of Hot=max cold=1+3/5 to make a wonderful hot bath. With less intervention + it will fill the bath to your preferred temperature in the minimum amount of time.

Magic.

silver.fox.2008

820 posts

191 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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Stop taking baths. All these hot baths have shrunk your balls making to think like a woman asking silly questions.

Man up, take a shower thumbup