USA Gratuity And/Or Tip?
Discussion
C5_Steve said:
The jobs you list as not having a "salary", guess what, in every other country in the world they're paid one. The US is the outlier here now unfortunately not the norm and should look to the rest of the world to change. Whilst it used to be one of the leaders in service and sales it's now unfortunately been left behind by many other countries who do it better and reward their staff correctly.
Really? I think you'll find that unsalaried employees here in those jobs earn far, far more than their salaried UK equivalents. unrepentant said:
C5_Steve said:
The jobs you list as not having a "salary", guess what, in every other country in the world they're paid one. The US is the outlier here now unfortunately not the norm and should look to the rest of the world to change. Whilst it used to be one of the leaders in service and sales it's now unfortunately been left behind by many other countries who do it better and reward their staff correctly.
Really? I think you'll find that unsalaried employees here in those jobs earn far, far more than their salaried UK equivalents. We’ve gone a protection of low paid workers methodology. In the US there’s little protection but get a job at a decent place with wealthy customers and you’ll be laughing all the way to the bank. There are no poor pool girls in Vegas!
paulguitar said:
dunkind said:
paulguitar said:
It might be best if you don't travel anywhere overseas.
Or leave your house.
Too late Paul. Houses overseas. Or leave your house.
As your are familiar with the cruise industry my recent, and only cruise, exposed me to a few too many Americans (Silversea).
Hell was a works canteen in north carolina with 2500 deep south noisy chewers
the american way of eating id just so much hard work, pick up knife and fork cut some food put down knife swap for hands east some food pick up knife and swap fork hands again rinse and repeat
it feels like they need those penci lhand writing trainers you used to get to teach them how to use them both at the same time.
and yes also they need to learn how to eat with their mouths shut
it feels like they need those penci lhand writing trainers you used to get to teach them how to use them both at the same time.
and yes also they need to learn how to eat with their mouths shut
unrepentant said:
acer12 said:
LunarOne said:
If restaurant chains like the ones you mention are mid-scale, you must have been plumbing abyssal depths to find the low end of the market!
You know when I was typing that I guessed some ar5ebag would be along to judge my post and here you are. Its disappointing it took you so long.To rise to you post, not sure how you would call a place like Red Lobster low end, their surf and turf is about $40 and is decent.
Red Lobster is literally plumbing the depths of crappy low end chain restaurants. Do you like Olive Garden too?
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/03/food/red-lobste...
I’m currently on holiday in New Mexico where, in a self-service diner in Albuquerque that requires me to carry my own tray of food to my own table, the proposition seems to be that I should add a 22.5% tip to the bill. I’m not very clear what service I’m expected to tip on.
I’m fairly certain that the chap who goes round collecting the used crockery, and thus about the only person actually providing me a service (arguably), is not getting much, if any, of that.
Still, when in Rome…
I’m fairly certain that the chap who goes round collecting the used crockery, and thus about the only person actually providing me a service (arguably), is not getting much, if any, of that.
Still, when in Rome…
psi310398 said:
I’m currently on holiday in New Mexico where, in a self-service diner in Albuquerque that requires me to carry my own tray of food to my own table, the proposition seems to be that I should add a 22.5% tip to the bill. I’m not very clear what service I’m expected to tip on.
I’m fairly certain that the chap who goes round collecting the used crockery, and thus about the only person actually providing me a service (arguably), is not getting much, if any, of that.
Still, when in Rome…
I wouldn’t tip at all in that situation.I’m fairly certain that the chap who goes round collecting the used crockery, and thus about the only person actually providing me a service (arguably), is not getting much, if any, of that.
Still, when in Rome…
Whistle said:
The Visa card machine suggested a 20% tip in Subway, this was in Las Vegas.
I wouldn’t mind I was taking it away.
They got nothing I declined.
Those machines suggesting a substantial tip are becoming more common. I’m very aware now and will not tip for self service or take aways. I have no problem with tipping restaurant servers.I wouldn’t mind I was taking it away.
They got nothing I declined.
bad company said:
Those machines suggesting a substantial tip are becoming more common. I’m very aware now and will not tip for self service or take aways. I have no problem with tipping restaurant servers.
My view also. No idea why this is all such a big argument anyway.. I generally go by the local norms assuming competent service. There have to have been 20 of these threads over the years and the story never varies. People are perfectly entitled not to to tip if they are non-tippers.
In general for the US, no takeaways, no tips on top of a service charge, tip in normal sit-down restaurants and follow the local norm in other countries. I generally check in advance if I am going to a place I have never visited.
Obviously everyone on this thread is perfectly aware of US norms , so no surprises.
unrepentant said:
Really? I think you'll find that unsalaried employees here in those jobs earn far, far more than their salaried UK equivalents.
Really? So why all the fuss about people not wanting to have a mandatory tip/gratuity added to their bill for no service then? You can't have it both ways
I think what you meant was historically, non-salaried servers would be able to make out very well on tips if they were very good at their job and provided excellent service, which I'd agree HAS been the case and certainly a big difference between the US and the rest of the world.
This whole discussion is on the decline in service levels and the automation and expectation of a tip when no service/poor service is offered. Which I'm sure you'd agree isn't how servers previously did so well on tips, there for something has to give. They either get paid more as a base to make up for the service they're no longer having to provide, by their employer who is now squeezing more profit from a reduced workforce by automating aspects of their business, or they go back to full-service models which cost more for the employer but will result in a higher quality of service and should lead to more tips.
You can't continue down this path of reducing staff interaction/service and still expecting people to heavily subsidise staff wages when they aren't doing the same level of work they did previously.
C5_Steve said:
unrepentant said:
Really? I think you'll find that unsalaried employees here in those jobs earn far, far more than their salaried UK equivalents.
Really? So why all the fuss about people not wanting to have a mandatory tip/gratuity added to their bill for no service then? unrepentant said:
C5_Steve said:
unrepentant said:
Really? I think you'll find that unsalaried employees here in those jobs earn far, far more than their salaried UK equivalents.
Really? So why all the fuss about people not wanting to have a mandatory tip/gratuity added to their bill for no service then? An interesting addition to the tip scenario.
I was waiting for my flight back to the UK in the largely self-service business lounge at Phoenix airport on Wednesday (there was a manned bar, that we didn’t use). I was one of a number of passengers who were fairly insistently panhandled for a tip by a member of staff, as she went off-shift. She had done precisely nothing for me.
I was waiting for my flight back to the UK in the largely self-service business lounge at Phoenix airport on Wednesday (there was a manned bar, that we didn’t use). I was one of a number of passengers who were fairly insistently panhandled for a tip by a member of staff, as she went off-shift. She had done precisely nothing for me.
unrepentant said:
acer12 said:
LunarOne said:
If restaurant chains like the ones you mention are mid-scale, you must have been plumbing abyssal depths to find the low end of the market!
You know when I was typing that I guessed some ar5ebag would be along to judge my post and here you are. Its disappointing it took you so long.To rise to you post, not sure how you would call a place like Red Lobster low end, their surf and turf is about $40 and is decent.
Red Lobster is literally plumbing the depths of crappy low end chain restaurants. Do you like Olive Garden too?
Never mind
Most American restaurants don't do "good" food but they do enjoyable food.
If they do "good" food they get very pretentious about it and start sticking a dress code on to it.
A sport jacket and slacks shouldn't be a requirement to have nice food.
The issue is finding places that arngt chains can be hard within tourist areas especially Florida unless your driving even then you just keep coming across olive garden, IHOP, waffle house, golden corale, tgi's, panda express, chillys, chipotle, pf chang, chick fil a, pollo tropical, zaxbys, applebeys, Texas roadhouse, hardeys, sonic, chedders, BJ's, bob Evans, cheesecake factory, cracker barrel, coopers hawk, Denny's, hooters, twin peaks,Perkins, bubba gump, benihana, beef obradys, millers Ale house, yard house, smokey bones, tony Roma's, first watch, Bahama breeze, uncle Julio's, bond fish, Joe's crB shack, capital grill, fogo de chao, outback
Finding a true independent is very very very hard for most Brits going to the states.
It is possible but not what most tourists want to do either
Just a quick tog up 253165 chain eateries in the states 473 different chains
This is not exhaustive as it's pulled from wikipedia
Most American restaurants don't do "good" food but they do enjoyable food.
If they do "good" food they get very pretentious about it and start sticking a dress code on to it.
A sport jacket and slacks shouldn't be a requirement to have nice food.
The issue is finding places that arngt chains can be hard within tourist areas especially Florida unless your driving even then you just keep coming across olive garden, IHOP, waffle house, golden corale, tgi's, panda express, chillys, chipotle, pf chang, chick fil a, pollo tropical, zaxbys, applebeys, Texas roadhouse, hardeys, sonic, chedders, BJ's, bob Evans, cheesecake factory, cracker barrel, coopers hawk, Denny's, hooters, twin peaks,Perkins, bubba gump, benihana, beef obradys, millers Ale house, yard house, smokey bones, tony Roma's, first watch, Bahama breeze, uncle Julio's, bond fish, Joe's crB shack, capital grill, fogo de chao, outback
Finding a true independent is very very very hard for most Brits going to the states.
It is possible but not what most tourists want to do either
Just a quick tog up 253165 chain eateries in the states 473 different chains
This is not exhaustive as it's pulled from wikipedia
Edited by Trustmeimadoctor on Monday 20th May 15:54
Trustmeimadoctor said:
Never mind
Most American restaurants don't do "good" food but they do enjoyable food.
If they do "good" food they get very pretentious about it and start sticking a dress code on to it.
A sport jacket and slacks shouldn't be a requirement to have nice food.
The issue is finding places that arngt chains can be hard within tourist areas especially Florida unless your driving even then you just keep coming across olive garden, IHOP, waffle house, golden corale, tgi's, panda express, chillys, chipotle, pf chang, chick fil a, pollo tropical, zaxbys, applebeys, Texas roadhouse, hardeys, sonic, chedders, BJ's, bob Evans, cheesecake factory, cracker barrel, coopers hawk, Denny's, hooters, twin peaks,Perkins, bubba gump, benihana, beef obradys, millers Ale house, yard house, smokey bones, tony Roma's, first watch, Bahama breeze, uncle Julio's, bond fish, Joe's crB shack, capital grill, fogo de chao, outback
Finding a true independent is very very very hard for most Brits going to the states.
It is possible but not what most tourists want to do either
And be careful what you wish for! Most American restaurants don't do "good" food but they do enjoyable food.
If they do "good" food they get very pretentious about it and start sticking a dress code on to it.
A sport jacket and slacks shouldn't be a requirement to have nice food.
The issue is finding places that arngt chains can be hard within tourist areas especially Florida unless your driving even then you just keep coming across olive garden, IHOP, waffle house, golden corale, tgi's, panda express, chillys, chipotle, pf chang, chick fil a, pollo tropical, zaxbys, applebeys, Texas roadhouse, hardeys, sonic, chedders, BJ's, bob Evans, cheesecake factory, cracker barrel, coopers hawk, Denny's, hooters, twin peaks,Perkins, bubba gump, benihana, beef obradys, millers Ale house, yard house, smokey bones, tony Roma's, first watch, Bahama breeze, uncle Julio's, bond fish, Joe's crB shack, capital grill, fogo de chao, outback
Finding a true independent is very very very hard for most Brits going to the states.
It is possible but not what most tourists want to do either
I took some friends to a super poncy mile zero restaurant called Farm and Table in Corrales (just outside Albuquerque) and very nice it was, too, but fk me did the waiter bore on, almost at the level of ‘we have the genome sequence of the lamb (who was known to our friend, the farmer Brian, as Peewee) and it’ll be served on a bed of ‘quinoa picked at dawn and freshly milled between the thighs of Peruvian virgins, and drizzled in four zeros Mexican avocado oil.
I could have watched every series of the Sweeney in the time it took him to go through the specials.
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