Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]
Discussion
48k said:
mko9 said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Nethybridge said:
A new bill will do away with fines for displaying illegal plates and introduce a penalty points on licence punishment.
Way to go, so running around with false plates gets a lesser penalty than doing 40 in a 30?
I'd want to see the wording. Is that 'illegal plates' as in illegal font and/or illegal spacing, or is it illegal as in cloned / false plates? I would suspect it's the former. Way to go, so running around with false plates gets a lesser penalty than doing 40 in a 30?
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Monday 13th May 22:22
Sure, people can always steal plates. And I'm sure that if you run in truly criminal circles you would know someone who can make counterfeit plates. But if the State makes the plates and gives them to you, then there isn't a whole network of people and materials available to make bad plates and the common person doesn't really have any recourse to get dodgy plates made.
mko9 said:
That doesn't seem to be much of a problem in the rest of the world.
Sure, people can always steal plates. And I'm sure that if you run in truly criminal circles you would know someone who can make counterfeit plates. But if the State makes the plates and gives them to you, then there isn't a whole network of people and materials available to make bad plates and the common person doesn't really have any recourse to get dodgy plates made.
As I said in my previous reply to you, currently if you want to be totally legal you have to use a registered official government-sanctioned numberplate seller, and show them your documents to prove you are entitled to have that plate made, and the resulting plates identify who made them. Also they will only make compliant plates.Sure, people can always steal plates. And I'm sure that if you run in truly criminal circles you would know someone who can make counterfeit plates. But if the State makes the plates and gives them to you, then there isn't a whole network of people and materials available to make bad plates and the common person doesn't really have any recourse to get dodgy plates made.
How is what you are suggesting any better?
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Tuesday 14th May 14:38
Clockwork Cupcake said:
mko9 said:
That doesn't seem to be much of a problem in the rest of the world.
Sure, people can always steal plates. And I'm sure that if you run in truly criminal circles you would know someone who can make counterfeit plates. But if the State makes the plates and gives them to you, then there isn't a whole network of people and materials available to make bad plates and the common person doesn't really have any recourse to get dodgy plates made.
As I said in my previous reply to you, currently if you want to be totally legal you have to use a registered official government-sanctioned numberplate seller, and show them your documents to prove you are entitled to have that plate made, and the resulting plates identify who made them. Also they will only make compliant plates.Sure, people can always steal plates. And I'm sure that if you run in truly criminal circles you would know someone who can make counterfeit plates. But if the State makes the plates and gives them to you, then there isn't a whole network of people and materials available to make bad plates and the common person doesn't really have any recourse to get dodgy plates made.
How is what you are suggesting any better?
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Tuesday 14th May 14:38
Clockwork Cupcake said:
if you want to be totally legal you have to use a registered official government-sanctioned numberplate seller, and show them your documents to prove you are entitled to have that plate made
I'm not sure that's true though. A number plate is either legal or it isn't, there is no concept of legal and totally legal. The legislation doesn't state the plate must be made by a Government-sactioned numberplate seller only that it must comply with the specification. It's perfectly possible for a vehicle to display a legal number plate complying with the applicable British Standard and The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 Act, but which was obtained from a supplier outside of UK jurisdiction so that you don't have to show them your entitlement documents (I use a supplier in Jersey and even including postage they are still cheaper than eg. Halfords and I get plates next day without having to show any docs).mko9 said:
Are there people driving around on dodgy plates in the UK? Because in ~30 years of driving in other countries I don't know that I have EVER noticed a modified or incorrect plate.
Ok, well, whatever. I've pointed out that the current strictly-legal way of obtaining plates is pretty much what you were proposing, but that it's not enforced stringently. I suggest you take it up with your local MP. Then I’d suggest you aren’t watching closely enough.
Seeing as driving is supposed to be about observation, how you cannot have spotted different fonts, illegal spacing, misplaced screws, amongst kids appearing from behind parked cars, pedestrians stepping out into roads without looking and a myriad of other hazards, perhaps says you aren’t really looking at all.
Seeing as driving is supposed to be about observation, how you cannot have spotted different fonts, illegal spacing, misplaced screws, amongst kids appearing from behind parked cars, pedestrians stepping out into roads without looking and a myriad of other hazards, perhaps says you aren’t really looking at all.
48k said:
I'm not sure that's true though. A number plate is either legal or is isn't, there is no concept of legal and totally legal. The legislation doesn't state the plate must be made by a Government-sactioned numberplate seller only that it must comply with the specification. It's perfectly possible for a vehicle to display a legal number plate complying with the applicable British Standard and The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 Act, but which was obtained from a supplier outside of UK jurisdiction so that you don't have to show them your entitlement documents (I use a supplier in Jersey and even including postage they are still cheaper than eg. Halfords and I get plates next day without having to show any docs).
I guess I meant "strictly speaking". The 'correct' way is to use a Government-sactioned numberplate seller but it isn't really enforced. And, again strictly speaking, plates made by anyone else will still be show plates as even if they comply with size, spacing, font, etc., they won't have the mandated registered information across the bottom. Although you would be pretty unlucky if you got prosecuted for that. So really it comes down to how lucky you're feeling.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
48k said:
I'm not sure that's true though. A number plate is either legal or is isn't, there is no concept of legal and totally legal. The legislation doesn't state the plate must be made by a Government-sactioned numberplate seller only that it must comply with the specification. It's perfectly possible for a vehicle to display a legal number plate complying with the applicable British Standard and The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 Act, but which was obtained from a supplier outside of UK jurisdiction so that you don't have to show them your entitlement documents (I use a supplier in Jersey and even including postage they are still cheaper than eg. Halfords and I get plates next day without having to show any docs).
I guess I meant "strictly speaking". The 'correct' way is to use a Government-sactioned numberplate seller but it isn't really enforced. And, again strictly speaking, plates made by anyone else will still be show plates as even if they comply with size, spacing, font, etc., they won't have the mandated registered information across the bottom. Although you would be pretty unlucky if you got prosecuted for that. So really it comes down to how lucky you're feeling.
The legislation states that the plate must show "the name and postcode of the supplying outlet of the assembled registration plate displaying the registration mark". Mine shows the company in Jersey with their JE postcode.
48k said:
Yes they can, mine do.
The legislation states that the plate must show "the name and postcode of the supplying outlet of the assembled registration plate displaying the registration mark". Mine shows the company in Jersey with their JE postcode.
Fair enough. The legislation states that the plate must show "the name and postcode of the supplying outlet of the assembled registration plate displaying the registration mark". Mine shows the company in Jersey with their JE postcode.
Well, we're probably splitting hairs here now.
I think it's fair to say that the legislation is there but, as usual, it's all been done in a fairly half-arsed way and then not really enforced.
Plate cloning is not any better here in France. I had my plate cloned and got repeated flashes from someone "driving my car" in the south of France. I had to change the plates on my car which took months and I had to carry a get out of jail free letter as once reported I kept getting pulled over at Calais.
Fastchas said:
In my auto car, why do I engage reverse by shoving the stick forward and drive by pulling backwards?
Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
A great question!Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
Completely unsure of the answer, however.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Currently getting over a chesty cough.
Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
Too much Speights. Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
dukeboy749r said:
Fastchas said:
In my auto car, why do I engage reverse by shoving the stick forward and drive by pulling backwards?
Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
A great question!Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
Completely unsure of the answer, however.
Other than 'D', there's often other gear options; 'S', 'E', 'P', etc. On a traditional linear layout with the old T-Bar shifter, placing those options forward of the neutral position would have required more space between the shifter and dashboard, and/or placed the shifter too far back. So by placing 'R' as the forward position keeps the shifter at a convenient location for the driver and close to the actual gearbox. Less of an issue these days due to non-mechanical linkages but the tradition stuck.
paua said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Currently getting over a chesty cough.
Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
Too much Speights. Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
StevieBee said:
An educated guess.....
Other than 'D', there's often other gear options; 'S', 'E', 'P', etc. On a traditional linear layout with the old T-Bar shifter, placing those options forward of the neutral position would have required more space between the shifter and dashboard, and/or placed the shifter too far back. So by placing 'R' as the forward position keeps the shifter at a convenient location for the driver and close to the actual gearbox. Less of an issue these days due to non-mechanical linkages but the tradition stuck.
On the DSG box on my Golf, P is nearest the dashboard, D is at the opposite end (so nearest me) and R is somewhere in between Other than 'D', there's often other gear options; 'S', 'E', 'P', etc. On a traditional linear layout with the old T-Bar shifter, placing those options forward of the neutral position would have required more space between the shifter and dashboard, and/or placed the shifter too far back. So by placing 'R' as the forward position keeps the shifter at a convenient location for the driver and close to the actual gearbox. Less of an issue these days due to non-mechanical linkages but the tradition stuck.
I agree with your thought process though.
edit: Just seeing Jader1973's reply, maybe that is PRNDL so still consistent. In D I can push it across into manual, and I think a lot of J type auto box selectors are the same. So, as you say, when in D the selector falls most readily to hand. If it were the other way round you would always be reaching forward for the selector when in D, and possibly fouling the dashboard / centre console.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Wednesday 15th May 08:52
Fastchas said:
In my auto car, why do I engage reverse by shoving the stick forward and drive by pulling backwards?
Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
Because the bit of trim is known as a “Prindle” (PRNDL) and that sounds like a word, but “Lidnarp” (LDNRP) doesn’t.Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
(not the reason, it is known as a prindle though)
Why is that when I am really concentrating on something, like reading complex documents, or checking through the details of an important online booking, my body decides it is the right time start a sneezing fit.
It is not related to time of day, weather or the season.
Just when I need to really focus, my body distracts me!!!
It didn't happen when I typed this out ....
It is not related to time of day, weather or the season.
Just when I need to really focus, my body distracts me!!!
It didn't happen when I typed this out ....
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Currently getting over a chesty cough.
Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
Hasn't happened to me. Is it an age thing? Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
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