The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 20]
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type-r said:
Nunez's offside runs can 100% be corrected through simple, effective coaching.
Really? You think no-one has mentioned it to him? He's almost 25. The amount of "coaching" he has received by this point of his career must amount to a tremendous number of occasions and hours. His inability, despite having plenty of pace (and coaching), to stay onside is his problem. People can coach him as much as they like, if he can't actually learn and apply it then there are other issues.The irony of him actually putting it in the net last night when he was offside was not lost on many.
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Edited by ferrisbueller on Tuesday 14th May 15:36
ferrisbueller said:
type-r said:
Nunez's offside runs can 100% be corrected through simple, effective coaching.
Really? You think no-one has mentioned it to him? He's almost 25. The amount of "coaching" he has received by this point of his career must amount to a tremendous number of occasions and hours. His inability, despite having plenty of pace (and coaching), to stay onside is his problem. People can coach him as much as they like, if he can't actually learn and apply it then there are other issues.The irony of him actually putting it in the net last night when he was offside was not lost on many.
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king master it. It really isn't rocket science. He might be 25 but perhaps no one has sat down with him to help improve that side of his game or just whisper that he needs to relax. Of course I don't know what happens in training but what I do know is what we all witness on matchdays, with seemingly no improvement in 18 months and the same mistakes being applied. And not just by him either.What I also don't accept is Klopp's recent comments about him being "unlucky" and that he is "good because he is in these moments". There is some truth to that but you just can't hope he'll get better or more lucky automatically. It really comes down to practice and helping him improve. I'm not not saying he doesn't get coached (which I am sure he does) but he clearly needs to do more work off the field. Some of it is mental but a lot is also the right coaching. IMO of course.
type-r said:
It's not just him, as I mentioned previously, a lot of players make the same mistakes over again. If it's not coaching or training to help fix the issues, then what is it?
The last 0.5% of the brainUnfortunately Nunez and increasingly Diaz look like the type of player that gets more desperate/over eager when the going gets tough.
We've nearly always been prone to over exposing our back 4 (which is often a back 2) apart from when we are on the very top of our game.
TownIdiot said:
type-r said:
It's not just him, as I mentioned previously, a lot of players make the same mistakes over again. If it's not coaching or training to help fix the issues, then what is it?
The last 0.5% of the brainUnfortunately Nunez and increasingly Diaz look like the type of player that gets more desperate/over eager when the going gets tough.
We've nearly always been prone to over exposing our back 4 (which is often a back 2) apart from when we are on the very top of our game.
epom said:
Bobby was someone who had something that you couldn’t coach into anyone. You either had what Bobby had or you didn’t.
That sort of makes the Nunez point as well.You either have it, or you don't. Until Nunez sorts his brain out he will continue to frustrate.
If there is one player who has a chimp on his shoulder, it's him.
If he can control his chimps then he will do a lot better but no amount of coaching will work if he can't.
I bet he's one of those players that looks mustard in training.
First time I've watched City play this season (apart from us).
Footballs a funny old game isn't it? Late on the city defender has a Stevie G slip moment and Son who'd you'd put house on to score, panics, does a Nunez and blasts it straight at the City reserve keeper.
Fine margins.
What struck me was how cleverly cynical city were compared to us. Knew exactly when to take a yellow, block a quick free quick, lean into the back of the striker etc. We're not that street smart these days (and never really have been imo) and especially without a Milner type to get stuck in. Robbo is probably the only real snide we have.
Hoping we get some real physicality into the midfield this next window, with a proper 6 being key to us kicking on. I think this will transform the defence as well who have been so exposed this season and hopefully give us some more control in games. That's the hope anyway!
Footballs a funny old game isn't it? Late on the city defender has a Stevie G slip moment and Son who'd you'd put house on to score, panics, does a Nunez and blasts it straight at the City reserve keeper.
Fine margins.
What struck me was how cleverly cynical city were compared to us. Knew exactly when to take a yellow, block a quick free quick, lean into the back of the striker etc. We're not that street smart these days (and never really have been imo) and especially without a Milner type to get stuck in. Robbo is probably the only real snide we have.
Hoping we get some real physicality into the midfield this next window, with a proper 6 being key to us kicking on. I think this will transform the defence as well who have been so exposed this season and hopefully give us some more control in games. That's the hope anyway!
Edited by Sargeant Orange on Wednesday 15th May 07:33
To me this year we over-resulted (I’d say overperformed but we’ve seen the games!). We should have been further down the table most likely, and probably that’s down to some tactics or maybe the players giving extra earlier in the season, meaning we got wins that probably shouldn’t have been. I wonder if that’s been down to some practical tactics/training or just luck?
It’s been a rebuild season with a lot of injuries, same as next will be. Probably one of the main things is to get a natural goal scorer up front. Diaz and Nunez probably have the issue that they run too much and it’s harder to keep control when shooting as you’re more tired. Jota tends to result in less pressing, but is more of a natural striker I think.
What is said to be a weakness (his stubbornness) is also one of the reasons he has done so well. He sticks by an idea and gets the players used to it even if it doesn’t work out immediately. This can be frustrating when it never works out, but for the most part it has. Sticking by some players is also probably why many play their hearts out for him, at least until recently. If you got rid of those weaknesses you’d probably lose what makes him such a good manager too.
It’s been a rebuild season with a lot of injuries, same as next will be. Probably one of the main things is to get a natural goal scorer up front. Diaz and Nunez probably have the issue that they run too much and it’s harder to keep control when shooting as you’re more tired. Jota tends to result in less pressing, but is more of a natural striker I think.
What is said to be a weakness (his stubbornness) is also one of the reasons he has done so well. He sticks by an idea and gets the players used to it even if it doesn’t work out immediately. This can be frustrating when it never works out, but for the most part it has. Sticking by some players is also probably why many play their hearts out for him, at least until recently. If you got rid of those weaknesses you’d probably lose what makes him such a good manager too.
Edited by NRS on Wednesday 15th May 07:32
Adam. said:
He has possibly gone from rough diamond to brainless in my mind
I'd have taken 18 goals and 13 assists at the start of the season from him as a better return than Sadio/Bobby managed in the majority of their time with us.Whilst the missed chances and offsides are frustrating I agree, he's not the only one. He's still second in the overall table behind Haaland, and we are the only team with 3 players in the top 15 for big chances missed in the PL with Darwin, Mo and Diaz making an appearance (City and Arsenal only have 1 each). Our offside numbers are also very high per player.
Will be very interesting to see if some changes to our coaching/tactics next season can improve things.
NRS said:
It’s been a rebuild season with a lot of injuries, same as next will be. Probably one of the main things is to get a natural goal scorer up front. Diaz and Nunez probably have the issue that they run too much and it’s harder to keep control when shooting as you’re more tired. Jota tends to result in less pressing, but is more of a natural striker I think.
I'm convinced it's in there with Darwin. You don't score 34 goals in a season as he did with Benfica, including 6 in the Champions League, without being a natural goalscorer. Needs another big step up for us next season though.Jota has proven himself to be a crock having already missed 75 games since joining us. Great when fit, but can't be relied upon to be there when needed unfortunately.
I swear Swoll is the ghost of m3sye with his stats and neverending positive spin on things.
Provides a nice balance to my grumpy old sod I guess!
I watched Nunez closely when he came on, he just seems to be like an over-enthusiastic puppy. Endearing to fans but bloody frustrating to me at least.
He has a lot of pace so there is no excuse for not understanding how to watch a line and time the run, he often makes the wrong decisions, and he snatches at shots rather than placing them or looking for better options.
Not sure that can be coached out (and I am sure we are trying). He has been playing for long enough to figure these things out.
Provides a nice balance to my grumpy old sod I guess!
I watched Nunez closely when he came on, he just seems to be like an over-enthusiastic puppy. Endearing to fans but bloody frustrating to me at least.
He has a lot of pace so there is no excuse for not understanding how to watch a line and time the run, he often makes the wrong decisions, and he snatches at shots rather than placing them or looking for better options.
Not sure that can be coached out (and I am sure we are trying). He has been playing for long enough to figure these things out.
Adam. said:
I swear Swoll is the ghost of m3sye with his stats and neverending positive spin on things.
Provides a nice balance to my grumpy old sod I guess!
I watched Nunez closely when he came on, he just seems to be like an over-enthusiastic puppy. Endearing to fans but bloody frustrating to me at least.
He has a lot of pace so there is no excuse for not understanding how to watch a line and time the run, he often makes the wrong decisions, and he snatches at shots rather than placing them or looking for better options.
Not sure that can be coached out (and I am sure we are trying). He has been playing for long enough to figure these things out.
I have been a major apologist for Nunez, but started losing it at the beginning of the year.Provides a nice balance to my grumpy old sod I guess!
I watched Nunez closely when he came on, he just seems to be like an over-enthusiastic puppy. Endearing to fans but bloody frustrating to me at least.
He has a lot of pace so there is no excuse for not understanding how to watch a line and time the run, he often makes the wrong decisions, and he snatches at shots rather than placing them or looking for better options.
Not sure that can be coached out (and I am sure we are trying). He has been playing for long enough to figure these things out.
I don't think you can have him and Diaz in the same side - if you look back at clips from a few years ago there was lots of passes up to the front 3, a quick set of one touch passes between them and a goal.
With Diaz and Nunez there is none of that.
And I maintain that despite the usual defensive issues that's what has cost us this season.
Looking at the results in the European competitions, you'd have to say that the quality of the premier league this season hasn't been as good as it presents itself.
ChocolateFrog said:
I too think we've overachieved this season. Before the Utd FA Cup game it was one of our best ever. Reality bit hard and we're back in a more representative position.
There's going to be so much upheaval over the next year or so.
Interesting times ahead.
Yes much as it pains me to say that game burst our bubble and with Klopp leaving I just don't think we had the tiny bit extra "mentality" to get our sThere's going to be so much upheaval over the next year or so.
Interesting times ahead.
t together. The draw against them was a bad one as well.Tbh I'll have much less expectation going forward - as long a the new bloke tries to play attacking football and the players look like they are giving it a go I'll be happy(ish)
I agree that we can't carry both Nunez and Diaz next season. For me, Diaz is the one that has to go as his numbers are nowhere near Nunez's overall contribution + you feel his potential could still be realised at any moment. If the noise around Barca being interested in Diaz, we should look to offload and get in a proven goalscorer. Nunez is more useful on the left and given Salah is likely to stay, we need an understudy/complement for the right side.
I'd go for someone like a Bowen... he is versatile and can play up front and the right side when needed and he knows where the back of the net is. Oh and he's English (for the quota). He is also the closest thing to a Jota-type player - something we've really missed when Jota hasn't been available.
I'd go for someone like a Bowen... he is versatile and can play up front and the right side when needed and he knows where the back of the net is. Oh and he's English (for the quota). He is also the closest thing to a Jota-type player - something we've really missed when Jota hasn't been available.
Adam. said:
Man City winning the league four times in a row is a serious achievement to be fair, it’s up there with Lance Armstrong winning seven tours on the bounce.
Yes definitely Everyone knows
I actually think the FFP rules aren't right and it could be done in a much better way that would allow the clubs to spend what they want.
Can't deny that whatever the spending Pep has proven himself as up their with the best of the best.
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