Official 2024 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Hustle_ said:
RichB said:
Aids0G said:
<clip> apparently there is genuine concern that the cars will be unable to provide peak power for a full lap of the majority of circuits...
Quite pathetic isn't it.Aids0G said:
Hustle_ said:
RichB said:
Aids0G said:
<clip> apparently there is genuine concern that the cars will be unable to provide peak power for a full lap of the majority of circuits...
Quite pathetic isn't it.It's quite techy and a fair bit of whiteboard maths, but it's really worth the watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxDQBVzXWt4
For the sake of the discussion, the pertinent part starts at about 8mins.
Edited by Big Nanas on Wednesday 17th April 17:12
Aids0G said:
Hustle_ said:
RichB said:
Aids0G said:
<clip> apparently there is genuine concern that the cars will be unable to provide peak power for a full lap of the majority of circuits...
Quite pathetic isn't it.Big Nanas said:
Aids0G said:
Hustle_ said:
RichB said:
Aids0G said:
<clip> apparently there is genuine concern that the cars will be unable to provide peak power for a full lap of the majority of circuits...
Quite pathetic isn't it.It's quite techy and a fair bit of whiteboard maths, but it's really worth the watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxDQBVzXWt4
For the sake of the discussion, the pertinent part starts at about 8mins.
Edited by Big Nanas on Wednesday 17th April 17:12
It is a shame the move to sustainable fuels cant allow a move to more exciting powertrain formats, even the current hybrid system but with a turbo V8 would be a step forward no reason for the power levels to not get up to 1200-1300hp to help combat the weight of todays cars.
Derek Smith said:
I was at Clearways. I didn't see all that much smoke, although the smell came through. I was shocked when I saw the images of damage and the fire. You probably remember those times, when there were few marshals and a fire normally meant severe injuries or death. That's without the faulty safety gear. I was at South Bank, up against the fence, when Chris Kraft had a big accident, in a Cortina I think, and a fire started. The marshals were quickly on scene, although it always seems longer to viewers, and even longer for the drivers, I bet. However, they sprayed the fire with a couple of different concoctions and the smell was so pungent that my friend and I had to move away. There was chunks of stuff in the air. No problem with just moving the crowd, but the marshals were all coughing as well. They had no breathing apparatus that I could see, and every time they got near, they had coughing fits. A couple managed to get up to the car. God knows what their lungs were like.
And Motor Sport magazine criticised Jackie Stewart for pushing for safety, and very low levels of improvement. I didn't renew my subscription. That showed 'em.
Chris Craft’s son Jake was a school friend of my younger son. The family lived on a small holding near Chigwell, and some wild times were had up there by the boys, only a few of which have ever been divulged to me. Sadly, Jake died a few years ago, and Chris passed away in 2021.And Motor Sport magazine criticised Jackie Stewart for pushing for safety, and very low levels of improvement. I didn't renew my subscription. That showed 'em.
By coincidence, Chris’s brother Ian was a celebrated gynaecologist and pioneer of in vitro fertilisation, and was the consultant in the neo-natal ICU at the Royal Free hospital where the same son was born. Ian Craft died in 2019.
Roofless Toothless said:
Chris Craft’s son Jake was a school friend of my younger son. The family lived on a small holding near Chigwell, and some wild times were had up there by the boys, only a few of which have ever been divulged to me. Sadly, Jake died a few years ago, and Chris passed away in 2021.
By coincidence, Chris’s brother Ian was a celebrated gynaecologist and pioneer of in vitro fertilisation, and was the consultant in the neo-natal ICU at the Royal Free hospital where the same son was born. Ian Craft died in 2019.
Thanks for that. Interesting. I bet it was wild if he lived like he drove.By coincidence, Chris’s brother Ian was a celebrated gynaecologist and pioneer of in vitro fertilisation, and was the consultant in the neo-natal ICU at the Royal Free hospital where the same son was born. Ian Craft died in 2019.
Chris was an exciting driver to watch. I think his idea was to convince other drivers that if there was a gap, he'd go for it regardless of whether it was wide enough or not. The crash happened when he went between two other cars on the left-hander off the bottom straight. He bounced off each car more than once, then went up into the air. It was right where we were standing and the girl I was with screamed right in my ear. She said afterwards that, as we were looking almost straight up, she thought it was going to come down on top of us. It hit the circuit a dozen of so feet in front of us. There is/used to be a bit of embankment there and that was the only thing that stopped it rolling onto us. It was scary. There's supposed to be two reflexes in such a situation: flight or fight. I, for some reason, decided to spectate.
The girl would only go motor racing after that if she was sat in a stand. Sensible girl.
Aids0G said:
It is a shame the move to sustainable fuels cant allow a move to more exciting powertrain formats, even the current hybrid system but with a turbo V8 would be a step forward no reason for the power levels to not get up to 1200-1300hp to help combat the weight of todays cars.
The constraint isn't one of sustainable fuels though but simply that the amount of fuel burn is being limited just for the sake of it rather than the fact that it is sustainable fuels being used. If it was allowed, one wouldn't have an issue to be burning lots of that stuff in a NA v10 nevermind a turbo v8. Limiting the total available power would be a definite retrogade step imo as the cars already have more too much grip vs power. If the power is going to be decreased then there needs to be some way of reducing the available downforce of the cars.NoddyonNitrous said:
Derek Smith said:
cuprabob said:
Derek Smith said:
Like Senna in Japan?
I think that fewest number of words I've ever seen you write Derek 
Derek Smith said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
Derek Smith said:
cuprabob said:
Derek Smith said:
Like Senna in Japan?
I think that fewest number of words I've ever seen you write Derek I write, erase, rewrite
Erase again, and then
I count words
Big Nanas said:
Aids0G said:
Hustle_ said:
RichB said:
Aids0G said:
<clip> apparently there is genuine concern that the cars will be unable to provide peak power for a full lap of the majority of circuits...
Quite pathetic isn't it.It's quite techy and a fair bit of whiteboard maths, but it's really worth the watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxDQBVzXWt4
For the sake of the discussion, the pertinent part starts at about 8mins.
I do wonder how they will cope at a circuit such as Monza, where there’s only really two braking zones around the lap. Could the cars start to slow down on the run to the first corner?
Sandpit Steve said:
Very interesting video. So the new cars will have 3x the electric motor power, but the same sized battery they do now, which means they will have to derate above 300kph on long straights to avoid running out of energy.
I do wonder how they will cope at a circuit such as Monza, where there’s only really two braking zones around the lap. Could the cars start to slow down on the run to the first corner?
Will it make that much difference to the actual racing, I mean there's barely enough to fill a highlights show as it is?I do wonder how they will cope at a circuit such as Monza, where there’s only really two braking zones around the lap. Could the cars start to slow down on the run to the first corner?
Sandpit Steve said:
Big Nanas said:
Aids0G said:
Hustle_ said:
RichB said:
Aids0G said:
<clip> apparently there is genuine concern that the cars will be unable to provide peak power for a full lap of the majority of circuits...
Quite pathetic isn't it.It's quite techy and a fair bit of whiteboard maths, but it's really worth the watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxDQBVzXWt4
For the sake of the discussion, the pertinent part starts at about 8mins.
I do wonder how they will cope at a circuit such as Monza, where there’s only really two braking zones around the lap. Could the cars start to slow down on the run to the first corner?
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