Inflated cost of motor claims: interesting article
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Sister in Law had a minor crash earlier in the year, bumper, light, one panel, other driver admitted liability, so her insurer has his insurer to pay for everything.
She had a hire car for 2 months before the car, which was drivable, was returned. There were a couple of secondary things that they, I'm sure deliberately didn't fix, so it went back and another 3 weeks car hire gets lumped onto all our premiums. It was 2 days work Max, but almost 3 months of hire car fees on top.
Now her premium has doubled too, so there are no winners here.
She had a hire car for 2 months before the car, which was drivable, was returned. There were a couple of secondary things that they, I'm sure deliberately didn't fix, so it went back and another 3 weeks car hire gets lumped onto all our premiums. It was 2 days work Max, but almost 3 months of hire car fees on top.
Now her premium has doubled too, so there are no winners here.
mk1coopers said:
....... not surprising that the 3rd parties insurance then objected to the hire car charges, which then cause another near 10 months of dealing with ‘proving’ that my OH could not have afforded to pay for said extortionate hire car charges by supplying financial information in such detail that they could have probably estimated our spend on the weekly shop, and if we had bought branded tomato sauce on any given day.
So what would happen it it turned out you could have afforded it - do you get asked that upfront?My Exige got smacked in the rear. New clam needed. I think it came to about £7000? The bodyshop offered me a replacement car which I begrudgingly took (I dont drive the Exige as my daily).... The racked up a £14500 bill on the rental of a Scooby... this was in 2006... when Motorpoint were selling Scoobys for £15,000...
Someone reversed their towbar into my late wifes Golf. It broke the number plate, cracked the grille and bent the ADAS radar. A bodyshop quoted £5500... my normal tamed mechanic did it for £370... the guy who reversed into us claimed we were moving and he put the blame on us and wouldn't pay even though we had plenty of witnesses... it was a stressful time so I just paid the bill. My tamed mechanic then said he'd of done it for 0 labour if he'd known.
Someone reversed their towbar into my late wifes Golf. It broke the number plate, cracked the grille and bent the ADAS radar. A bodyshop quoted £5500... my normal tamed mechanic did it for £370... the guy who reversed into us claimed we were moving and he put the blame on us and wouldn't pay even though we had plenty of witnesses... it was a stressful time so I just paid the bill. My tamed mechanic then said he'd of done it for 0 labour if he'd known.
Sheepshanks said:
If it was her fault then she must have like-for-like replacement car cover, so the rates would be far lower than the AMC's try and charge.
Anyway, insurance companies don't pay those bonkers headline bills from AMC's - they settle at industry agreed rates.
Presumably like for like still appears on the total claim though.Anyway, insurance companies don't pay those bonkers headline bills from AMC's - they settle at industry agreed rates.
Sheepshanks said:
mk1coopers said:
....... not surprising that the 3rd parties insurance then objected to the hire car charges, which then cause another near 10 months of dealing with ‘proving’ that my OH could not have afforded to pay for said extortionate hire car charges by supplying financial information in such detail that they could have probably estimated our spend on the weekly shop, and if we had bought branded tomato sauce on any given day.
So what would happen it it turned out you could have afforded it - do you get asked that upfront?Edited by mk1coopers on Monday 13th May 06:40
I was hit in the rear at a set of traffic lights in March '23 and it was painful to deal with it.
My insurer (Esure at the time, dumped them at the next renewal) refused to deal with the claim at all, instead insisting I used Enterprise Claims Management to sort it. I got a hire car the next day and was told to wait for the repairers to contact me to get my car assessed. It took 4 weeks for them to do so despite me chasing it up with Enterprise multiple times and they assessed my car the next day. When I got there they couldn't understand why I was a bit annoyed at the delay, as their policy was to assess all vehicles within 48 hours. Turns out Enterprise didn't even contact them until a day before, so 4 weeks of unnecessary hire car charges! My car was deemed fit to drive so I had to give the hire car back until mine went in for repair. All booked in for 3 weeks later and I had a hire car reserved for me at the Enterprise office a 2 minute walk away. Dropped my car off, walked to the hire desk only to be told that A: they had no record of a reservation for me and B: they were so short of cars that there was 3 other customers with reservations waiting for cars to be returned! Phoned the Claims Management side who just shrugged their shoulders then put on a fresh reservation for me, which was useless as there weren't any vehicles available within 30 miles. I ended up having to borrow my mum's car for the week as there was no way I was doing a 90 mile round trip on motorways in my 33 year old Mini! Enterprise did phone me a week later to say there was now a car available for me and when would I like to pick it up but I told them to not bother as I was picking up my repaired car that afternoon. The charge for the hire car for that period still appeared on the final bill too! I ended up lodging a complaint about that cock-up and got £100 as a 'goodwill gesture' which I used to treat my mum to a few things and get her car valeted.
I'm not surprised that costs are going up if that's even half of the stuff that goes on with claims, the total claim cost for me was £11,450 for essentially a bumper replacement and a new towbar on a 10 year old Fabia. The repair part came to £1,200, which was close to having the car written off. I also got £1,400 for lost wages and a series of physio sessions as the impact tweaked my right shoulder, only £600 of which I actually saw after 'fees which didn't include the physio costs. If I strip out the actual costs from it all it totals roughly £3,000, I don't think the Management Co added £9,450 of value to the whole thing at all.
My insurer (Esure at the time, dumped them at the next renewal) refused to deal with the claim at all, instead insisting I used Enterprise Claims Management to sort it. I got a hire car the next day and was told to wait for the repairers to contact me to get my car assessed. It took 4 weeks for them to do so despite me chasing it up with Enterprise multiple times and they assessed my car the next day. When I got there they couldn't understand why I was a bit annoyed at the delay, as their policy was to assess all vehicles within 48 hours. Turns out Enterprise didn't even contact them until a day before, so 4 weeks of unnecessary hire car charges! My car was deemed fit to drive so I had to give the hire car back until mine went in for repair. All booked in for 3 weeks later and I had a hire car reserved for me at the Enterprise office a 2 minute walk away. Dropped my car off, walked to the hire desk only to be told that A: they had no record of a reservation for me and B: they were so short of cars that there was 3 other customers with reservations waiting for cars to be returned! Phoned the Claims Management side who just shrugged their shoulders then put on a fresh reservation for me, which was useless as there weren't any vehicles available within 30 miles. I ended up having to borrow my mum's car for the week as there was no way I was doing a 90 mile round trip on motorways in my 33 year old Mini! Enterprise did phone me a week later to say there was now a car available for me and when would I like to pick it up but I told them to not bother as I was picking up my repaired car that afternoon. The charge for the hire car for that period still appeared on the final bill too! I ended up lodging a complaint about that cock-up and got £100 as a 'goodwill gesture' which I used to treat my mum to a few things and get her car valeted.
I'm not surprised that costs are going up if that's even half of the stuff that goes on with claims, the total claim cost for me was £11,450 for essentially a bumper replacement and a new towbar on a 10 year old Fabia. The repair part came to £1,200, which was close to having the car written off. I also got £1,400 for lost wages and a series of physio sessions as the impact tweaked my right shoulder, only £600 of which I actually saw after 'fees which didn't include the physio costs. If I strip out the actual costs from it all it totals roughly £3,000, I don't think the Management Co added £9,450 of value to the whole thing at all.
How can we be in a situation where your own insurance company can refuse to deal with a claim when someone hits your car! Passing you on to a ‘claims management’ company instead.
This is what should be banned as clearly the only people paying for these deliberately extended, extortionate, car hire charges are the general public, through higher premiums. It must be one of the most obvious and clear cut, apparently ‘legal’ (god knows how), scams around. Ridiculous.
This is what should be banned as clearly the only people paying for these deliberately extended, extortionate, car hire charges are the general public, through higher premiums. It must be one of the most obvious and clear cut, apparently ‘legal’ (god knows how), scams around. Ridiculous.
ITP said:
How can we be in a situation where your own insurance company can refuse to deal with a claim when someone hits your car! Passing you on to a ‘claims management’ company instead.
This is what should be banned as clearly the only people paying for these deliberately extended, extortionate, car hire charges are the general public, through higher premiums. It must be one of the most obvious and clear cut, apparently ‘legal’ (god knows how), scams around. Ridiculous.
its ridiculous isnt it, but alot of it comes from people saying, well ive paid insurance for a 7 series, so i expect the same as a rental, when a fiat panda would probably be fine for a week or so, im sure thats what used to happen.This is what should be banned as clearly the only people paying for these deliberately extended, extortionate, car hire charges are the general public, through higher premiums. It must be one of the most obvious and clear cut, apparently ‘legal’ (god knows how), scams around. Ridiculous.
yes you might have to put up with a lesser car for a bit, but so what, it still gets you to work etc, stuff happens, sometimes life deals you a bad one, it really doesnt matter.
My neighbour has just completed an insurance repair on her Discovery Sport following what looked like significant contact down one side with a low wall, probably self inflicted. ( Her 4th significant event in the 7 years she has lived next door; 2x stolen plus one other wall collision.)
Hire car for 4 weeks was a new Lexus RX and I’d love to know what the daily rate was.
I am not sure she would have the slightest understanding though if i tried to explain that it really wasn’t a good thing really.
Hire car for 4 weeks was a new Lexus RX and I’d love to know what the daily rate was.
I am not sure she would have the slightest understanding though if i tried to explain that it really wasn’t a good thing really.
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