Potholes - Porsche Driver Killed
Discussion
mcpoot said:
Nomme de Plum said:
It is quite hard to provide evidence of something that hasn't happened. Local news however has not reported any other accidents of any in this exact location. Exactly the sort of topic local news loves to report on.
There will be an inquest where the coroner will take all available evidence including that collated by the Police. No doubt had there been a plethora of other cars suffering damage by this pothole it will be provided by those drivers and or maybe their insurance companies as they may wish to get redress from the LA if at all possible.
Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until the inquest has occurred. Do you concur?
Yes, I completely concur but then I'm not the one coming out with statements like this.There will be an inquest where the coroner will take all available evidence including that collated by the Police. No doubt had there been a plethora of other cars suffering damage by this pothole it will be provided by those drivers and or maybe their insurance companies as they may wish to get redress from the LA if at all possible.
Maybe it would be a good idea to wait until the inquest has occurred. Do you concur?
Nomme de Plum said:
There is only one person responsible and unfortunately he has died.
Had the driver been travelling at an appropriate speed he would not have lost control and created so much damage. At least there were no other fatalities.
Had the driver been travelling at an appropriate speed he would not have lost control and created so much damage. At least there were no other fatalities.
Edited by Heaveho on Wednesday 8th May 18:39
Heaveho said:
You aren't really one for holding yourself up to the high standards you require of others, are you NdP? A lot of conjecture about a situation that, in reality, you clearly know very little about. Local knowledge hardly comes into it in this instance. I drove that road very regularly over a period of 18 years, it wouldn't cross my mind to assume it meant I could comment with any authority on the reason beyond the demise of the Porsche driver.
Maybe you should direct your ire toward the Telegraph. They reported that the driver swerved to avoid a pothole.Unreal said:
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
Wow... I can't believe this is the exact spot where i had a hairy moment on the way home from Goodwood a couple of weeks ago. I would strongly advise against overtaking on that stretch and i can clearly see what may have happened to the Porsche if it was anything like what happened to me. https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
Common Porpoise said:
Unreal said:
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
Wow... I can't believe this is the exact spot where i had a hairy moment on the way home from Goodwood a couple of weeks ago. I would strongly advise against overtaking on that stretch and i can clearly see what may have happened to the Porsche if it was anything like what happened to me. https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
Unreal said:
God knows how you've come to that conclusion.
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.
It definitely isn't clearly visible in a low car at NSLThe pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.
Glenn63 said:
Story says it’s possible he tried to avoid the pothole and hit the oncoming BMW, how do we know he didn’t actually hit it causing the car to shift and hit the BMW? The metal corner on the picture being shown above looks mighty and sure that would cause some proper damage.
The roads are such a disgrace at the moment I’m surprised there’s not casualties daily especially from cyclists and motorbikes being launched from their saddles.
BingoThe roads are such a disgrace at the moment I’m surprised there’s not casualties daily especially from cyclists and motorbikes being launched from their saddles.
Common Porpoise said:
Unreal said:
God knows how you've come to that conclusion.
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.
It definitely isn't clearly visible in a low car at NSLThe pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.
I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
Nomme de Plum said:
So are you suggesting that if a car is so low that the driver cannot adequately see the road, including the surface thereof, ahead, that travelling at the NSL exhibits safe and careful driving?
I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
Counsel of perfection is not helpful or realistic. You're expecting standards that are unobtainable from the general public.I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
If the road is so broken that careful and competent drivers are finding themselves with damaged vehicles or worse, it's the road that's dangerous not the drivers.
Heaveho said:
You aren't really one for holding yourself up to the high standards you require of others, are you NdP? A lot of conjecture about a situation that, in reality, you clearly know very little about. Local knowledge hardly comes into it in this instance. I drove that road very regularly over a period of 18 years, it wouldn't cross my mind to assume it meant I could comment with any authority on the reason beyond the demise of the Porsche driver.
No conjecture. A pothole is a hazard. It is fixed. It is the vehicle and the decision of the driver that had the incident. It will be left to the inquest, evidence obtained and the decision of the coroner to opine on the most likely course of events that led to this tragedy.Forester1965 said:
Counsel of perfection is not helpful or realistic. You're expecting standards that are unobtainable from the general public.
If the road is so broken that careful and competent drivers are finding themselves with damaged vehicles or worse, it's the road that's dangerous not the drivers.
Thank you for answering for me If the road is so broken that careful and competent drivers are finding themselves with damaged vehicles or worse, it's the road that's dangerous not the drivers.
Nomme de Plum said:
So are you suggesting that if a car is so low that the driver cannot adequately see the road, including the surface thereof, ahead, that travelling at the NSL exhibits safe and careful driving?
I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
Yawn.I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
How fast do you drive on NSL roads in the dark. 20...25? Maybe it was you i was overtaking.
Nomme de Plum said:
Common Porpoise said:
Unreal said:
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. These are facts. The precise circumstances of the accident will hopefully be revealed by the official investigation.
It definitely isn't clearly visible in a low car at NSLI would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
Forester1965 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
So are you suggesting that if a car is so low that the driver cannot adequately see the road, including the surface thereof, ahead, that travelling at the NSL exhibits safe and careful driving?
I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
Counsel of perfection is not helpful or realistic. You're expecting standards that are unobtainable from the general public.I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
If the road is so broken that careful and competent drivers are finding themselves with damaged vehicles or worse, it's the road that's dangerous not the drivers.
I originate from a part of the UK where the road surfaces of the more minor roads were never adequately maintained. We drove accordingly. It's a simple matter of economics. How much are we willing to pay to ensure all of our roads are built and maintained to high standards?
Common Porpoise said:
Nomme de Plum said:
So are you suggesting that if a car is so low that the driver cannot adequately see the road, including the surface thereof, ahead, that travelling at the NSL exhibits safe and careful driving?
I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
Yawn.I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
How fast do you drive on NSL roads in the dark. 20...25? Maybe it was you i was overtaking.
One of us is more likely to have an accident and it isn't me.
Forester1965 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
high standards?
Safe standards would be an adequate starting point.It all comes down to money and there isn't enough to provide all of the services we demand. Effectively it is managed failure across public services and some private companies. Will you bet happy to see your water bills increase 40% to pay for infrastructure improvements so we stop destroying ourr rivers and estuaries and don't have to swim in poo? Bit off topic.
Simplistically pointing the finger at local authorities isn't a solution.
Nomme de Plum said:
Common Porpoise said:
Nomme de Plum said:
So are you suggesting that if a car is so low that the driver cannot adequately see the road, including the surface thereof, ahead, that travelling at the NSL exhibits safe and careful driving?
I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
Yawn.I would contend if you can't see the road ahead for any reason then driving with a degree of caution is required.
How fast do you drive on NSL roads in the dark. 20...25? Maybe it was you i was overtaking.
One of us is more likely to have an accident and it isn't me.
Nomme de Plum said:
bigothunter said:
Did you just take that? Of course not it says December 2022. Only 16/17months ago.Roads change you know. Even day to day and especially after prolonged wet spells. Have you been to the IoW recently?
Unreal said:
The pothole being discussed is clearly visible. It's not concealed around a hairpin. The accident happened in daylight and dry conditions. Have a look round.
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9963213,-0.5908678...
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